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Spoilers The Walking Dead - Season 9 discussion and spoilers

A dog is not going to kill a walker. All it can do is bite body parts, but never kill the brain, so using dogs in that regard would be wasted effort / placing dogs in harm's way for no reason.
If they can't kill the walker themselves, the dog could still slow it down enough for the person to take it out.




...and when the humans are low on food or themselves (from any source), how are dogs going to get regular meals? Where is it coming from? Hunting? If the humans are suffering from a lack of food, I would imagine some of the same food sources (the kind a Daryl would hunt for) would as scare for dogs.
The dogs could always be let go to fend for themselves.


Dogs would not go very far against a Saviors type of threat, where a few or a large group are armed with guns. A dog is not going to know to leap to take cover during a fight, or retreat until a better window of opportunity comes around. It would just end with a lot of dead dogs.
Police and military dogs do OK in those kinds of situations.



One does not need to be a "religious fanatic" to consider that a global plague raising the dead as cannibals--something with no historical/biological precedent--might be final judgement of some kind. My point is whatever the cause--whether biological or theological in nature--has been kicked out of all WD dialogue because Kirkman is too cowardly to even hint at a cause. That's his monumental weakness as a writer, when others were not afraid to explore the "why" at the same time as telling a horror survival tale. For the best example, take Richard Matheson, who actually created theories and medical reasons for the vampire plague of his seminal masterpiece I Am Legend; he didn't shy away from it, or have Neville conveniently stop thinking about the one thing threatening his life and future. That was a brilliant way of mixing real human behavior with survival horror, yet under the same circumstances, Kirkman, et al, ran away screaming from Darabont initially taking the series in that logical direction.
I wouldn't call it a weakness, it's simply a creative choice that he made. Just because a writer chooses not to address something doesn't mean they're a bad writer. If he did address it, and the reason why was bad, then Kirkman would be a bad writer.
 
The Walking Dead
Season 9 / episode 5- "What Comes After"

Rick: Strong start with Rick trying to survive at any cost with that Herculean lift from the spike. His hallucinations and inability to ride the horse at anything more than a trot was grueling, with his.fading in and out of consciousness teasing how easy it would be for a walker to reach him at any moment.. Once he dared to actually ride, he set his own end in motion--constantly aggravating his internal injuries.

The one problem with the Shane vision is that Bernthal is still sporting his Punisher haircut. Wig needed. Aside from that, Shane crediting him for his own death and killing Gareth suggests Shane--at least in Rick's mind--is the "devil on the shoulder" as described by Dale in season two--pushing him to reject civilized behavior all in the name of ultimate survival. This is Rick guilt-tripping himself, of course, but it illustrates that he's a man who finally realizes that his violent past (in the ZA) was not justified. "Anything goes" survival just to survive is not living.

Sweet scene with Hershel, but even his wisdom and assurances were not enough to ease Rick out of his guilt for too many mistakes in his past--and it should not. Up to this point, he's mentioned thinking about certain former companions "every day", but he was never truly apologetic about his long list of victims. Until he was ready to own up to that legacy, each dream companion was not going to give him the go-ahead to think his need to survive was worthy.

Michonne and Maggie: She's absolutely right: killing Negan will start something else, but Maggie is too blinded by pointless revenge, but her choice to hand over the keys was a smart gamble that Maggie would see just how hollow revenge killing is.

Painful scene of her thinking she witnessed Rick's death. It will be interesting to see how she raises Judith from this point forward.

Negan:
His entire "kill me" moment (to get back to the real Lucille) seems like some masterful manipulation, rather than some breaking point of self-analysis.

Daryl: Just walking off in a lost fog after the explosion. That was a crushing scene....but Rick would not have been in that position if Daryl did not take him on that detour.

Jadis / Ann: Wow....she has turned around in so many unexpected ways. So she saves Rick..only to end up where??

NOTES: The field of the dead was not only filled with current cast members, but a couple of body-doubles for past, dead characters.

I thought the weight of the walker horde would collapse the bridge, since it was still under construction...

Significant time jump: Judith is a full reflection of her family--her brother's hat, her mother's sword and wearing boots like her father. Fascinating is too mild a word for that.

...and yes, Aaron and Jesus' observation that the walkers were just standing around means the Whisperers have arrived.

Regarding Rick's story moving to "feature films" (Gimple's words), I just hope that he--and Michonne--have a reunions at the end of it all as the conclusion of TWD.

Great episode from start to finish.
 
I don't think they could resurrect this show after it's gotten so dour and repetitive, but they've absolutely done it. Incredible. Walking Dead is must watch television again!
 
So, with this new time jump does that mean we'll never know how the savior issues were resolved?
 
I'm not really sure I've processed how I feel about the fate of Rick Grimes, but I do admit I'm really impressed at the secret being kept.
 
I don't think they could resurrect this show after it's gotten so dour and repetitive, but they've absolutely done it. Incredible. Walking Dead is must watch television again!
I was ready to be done with this show when Rick left, was ready to write my dear John letter and then the show pulled this engagement ring out and wow! You have my attention walking dead.
 
I hope the movies cover the zombie problem and how to fix it.
I don't think there is any "fix" for the zombie problem. Eventually, all the walking corpses from the initial fall of society will rot away into bones and no longer be able to roam. Then, all humanity has to worry about are the currently living people as they die off. It's long been my theory that those born after the initial fall of society, such as Judith, will be immune to the virus. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
 
So if the time jump is 5 to 6 years? I'm surprised there was so many 'capable' zombies attacking that new group. You would think most have decayed beyond the point of being able to even walk. Sure, there are some more newly dead Zombies but it would not be that many. The initial Zombie outbreak should have all decayed out after 9 or 10 years ( as seemingly depicted here with older Judith).
 
You know, that was really a fantastic episode and I think it gave the series a much-needed jolt from the defibrillator.

It did have many shades of "All Good Things..." to it and really did feel like a "series finale" with the overall tone and such of it.

Very, very interested to see what goes from here with the latest time jump (some 6-years according to The Talking Dead) which will mostly catch the show up with "real time" now. this making Judith I'd say 10-11, 11-12 years since the "apocalypse" started.

Look forward to where we go from here, how the communities are doing and we now get The Whisperers!
 
You know, that was really a fantastic episode and I think it gave the series a much-needed jolt from the defibrillator.

It did have many shades of "All Good Things..." to it and really did feel like a "series finale" with the overall tone and such of it.

Very, very interested to see what goes from here with the latest time jump (some 6-years according to The Talking Dead) which will mostly catch the show up with "real time" now. this making Judith I'd say 10-11, 11-12 years since the "apocalypse" started.

Look forward to where we go from here, how the communities are doing and we now get The Whisperers!

I felt the same way, until they announced that it was also Lauren Cohen's final appearance. After that, all the positivity I had about the show just drained away.
 
I knew Lauren Cohen's days were numbered too. And from what I've seen she's not completely out yet, just not in the rest of the season.

As much as I'd miss her, I don't think it hurts "that" much what with new characters and everything we've got coming forward.
 
I knew Lauren Cohen's days were numbered too. And from what I've seen she's not completely out yet, just not in the rest of the season.

As much as I'd miss her, I don't think it hurts "that" much what with new characters and everything we've got coming forward.

The issue is that she potentially exited with literally 0 fanfare while Andrew Lincoln got a whole episode to make his exit.
 
As I understand it, she's not 100% off the show yet, so there's still room for her to get some "fanfare" next season. She just didn't get a chance to film anymore episodes this season due to, IIUC, scheduling conflicts.
 
As I understand it, she's not 100% off the show yet, so there's still room for her to get some "fanfare" next season. She just didn't get a chance to film anymore episodes this season due to, IIUC, scheduling conflicts.

She could, but that isn't in the cards as of now. Angela Kang said they have nothing against brining her back, but nothing is scheduled.
 
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