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You know where Rick is too, so....
Is she the star of another show? That's where Lauren Cohen is lol
Well, well, well. Of all the shows to fake us out on the death of a major character, I would not have expected it of Walking Dead. I know they kind of did it with Glen, but that was more of a knowing wink leading up to the inevitable. But not only did they fake us out and keep Rick alive, but they followed it up with the announcement that he will now be the star of a series of theatrical movies starting next year. If I didn't see the first coming, I sure didn't see the second. Holy Toledo.
I was toying with ideas of how they might keep him alive, but off the show-- like maybe he gets amnesia and wanders off to Alabama, he gets kidnapped by rogue Canadians looking for breeding stock, he slips back into his coma from episode one. I guess this is kind of a combination of the last two. And who would have thought that Jadis would be the instrument of his rescue. Maybe now she'll finally get her chance to see him naked.
Rick's flight from the Zombie horde was a grueling exercise in endurance and last-second escapes, and his hallucinations were interesting and rather heartwarming. It was very nice to see Hershel again, especially knowing that the actor died not long after that was filmed. And it was kind of weird to see Shane, but not Lori-- or Carl, for that matter. One has to wonder how actor availability affected Rick's fever dreams. For example, it was nice to see Sasha again (from the good old days when the actress had a good part), but I have a feeling that speech was written for a conspicuously absent Glen. Would have been nice to see Beth, too, but maybe that's just me.
And the show wasn't done with the surprises after Rick's unexpected rescue either. An eighteen-month time jump between seasons and then, after only five episodes, another time jump of what-- eight years? How old was Judith in that epilogue? Seemed about ten. And Daryl's prediction of her becoming "Little Ass Kicker" sure seems to have come true. And what other changes will have been wrought in that eight years? Will Maggie already be gone? Will Daryl be the Big Boss? Will Micchone have a seven-year old kid? Will Negan still be crying for Lucille in solitary confinement? And who has died in all that time? There's a high body count on this show, so there has to be a few characters who met their end in that eight years. It's kind of a shame that we won't see everyone's immediate reaction to Rick's death-- or maybe we will, in flashback-- but I can't wait to see the future (it will be funny if Morgan or any of the FTWD characters are now residents of Alexandria, since they'll have had plenty of time to make the trip).
And leave us not forget that Rick is under contract for eight episodes this season, and that was only five. The same is true of Lauren Cohen, I believe.
I was toying with ideas of how they might keep him alive, but off the show-- like maybe he gets amnesia and wanders off to Alabama, he gets kidnapped by rogue Canadians looking for breeding stock, he slips back into his coma from episode one. I guess this is kind of a combination of the last two. And who would have thought that Jadis would be the instrument of his rescue. Maybe now she'll finally get her chance to see him naked.
Rick's flight from the Zombie horde was a grueling exercise in endurance and last-second escapes, and his hallucinations were interesting and rather heartwarming. It was very nice to see Hershel again, especially knowing that the actor died not long after that was filmed. And it was kind of weird to see Shane, but not Lori-- or Carl, for that matter. One has to wonder how actor availability affected Rick's fever dreams. For example, it was nice to see Sasha again (from the good old days when the actress had a good part), but I have a feeling that speech was written for a conspicuously absent Glen. Would have been nice to see Beth, too, but maybe that's just me.
And the show wasn't done with the surprises after Rick's unexpected rescue either. An eighteen-month time jump between seasons and then, after only five episodes, another time jump of what-- eight years? How old was Judith in that epilogue? Seemed about ten. And Daryl's prediction of her becoming "Little Ass Kicker" sure seems to have come true. And what other changes will have been wrought in that eight years? Will Maggie already be gone? Will Daryl be the Big Boss? Will Micchone have a seven-year old kid? Will Negan still be crying for Lucille in solitary confinement? And who has died in all that time? There's a high body count on this show, so there has to be a few characters who met their end in that eight years. It's kind of a shame that we won't see everyone's immediate reaction to Rick's death-- or maybe we will, in flashback-- but I can't wait to see the future (it will be funny if Morgan or any of the FTWD characters are now residents of Alexandria, since they'll have had plenty of time to make the trip).
And leave us not forget that Rick is under contract for eight episodes this season, and that was only five. The same is true of Lauren Cohen, I believe.
I was never "faked out" by the notion that Rick was going to die. The impression I had always gotten was that he was "leaving the show" but that there was still an avenue to see him again.
Being contracted for episodes and filming episodes are two different things. Lauren Cohen filmed no more episodes this season.
The movies they're making are not theatrical movies but are going to be TV-movies aired on AMC.
Being contracted for episodes and filming episodes are two different things. Lauren Cohen filmed no more episodes this season.
The movies they're making are not theatrical movies but are going to be TV-movies aired on AMC.
That was very good but I have to say that I figured out what was coming from the moment Jadis was talking to the helicopter and saying she had an A when she clearly didn’t. Rick travelling so far with such an injury, and losing a heck of a lot of blood, was a bit of a stretch but dramatic licence and all that, and damn it who left their dynamite on the bridge? So more than a little contrived but they played it well and at least and it was nice to see Shane, Sasha and especially Herschel.
Maggie/Negan was interesting, far from mercy this is just Maggie upping the punishment on Negan, killing him lets him off the hook, always assuming he wasn’t just playing her, but I don’t think he was. I was waiting for some snide look after she left the cell, but if he was playing her then he played the role well and stayed in character longer than he needed to. When he was taunting her I thought it was basically an escape attempt, get her in close then incapacitate her, grab her gun and run, but he had his chance and didn’t take it so maybe he was taunting her to make sure she did kill him? I know it’s hard to tell with Negan because he does play mind games, but I think that was on the level.
What did surprise me was the time jump, what seven or eight years at least given how old Judith looked, so I’m definitely intrigued.
I’m curious as to where Rick is heading, and still trying to get my head around the whole A/B thing? Wherever Rick is heading it seems odd that he won’t come back in the intervening 7/8 years? Either he’s going to be a prisoner or he’s so far away that the logistics of getting back to Alexandria just don’t make it feasible (Europe, South America, Antarctica?)
Maggie/Negan was interesting, far from mercy this is just Maggie upping the punishment on Negan, killing him lets him off the hook, always assuming he wasn’t just playing her, but I don’t think he was. I was waiting for some snide look after she left the cell, but if he was playing her then he played the role well and stayed in character longer than he needed to. When he was taunting her I thought it was basically an escape attempt, get her in close then incapacitate her, grab her gun and run, but he had his chance and didn’t take it so maybe he was taunting her to make sure she did kill him? I know it’s hard to tell with Negan because he does play mind games, but I think that was on the level.
What did surprise me was the time jump, what seven or eight years at least given how old Judith looked, so I’m definitely intrigued.
I’m curious as to where Rick is heading, and still trying to get my head around the whole A/B thing? Wherever Rick is heading it seems odd that he won’t come back in the intervening 7/8 years? Either he’s going to be a prisoner or he’s so far away that the logistics of getting back to Alexandria just don’t make it feasible (Europe, South America, Antarctica?)
I'm still processing. That was am excellent jolt of an episode. 
The scene with Maggie and Negen was very good. She was all ready with her rage on him and then saw how broken a man he truly was. I actually felt something for him for the first time that wasn't annoyance.
I was hoping that Rick wouldn't be killed, but I couldn't quite work out how to make that happen without it seeming stupid. The involvement of Jadis and the helicopter really surprised me though. Well done TWD producers for pulling the wool over my eyes.
His heroic 'last' efforts against the horde of walkers was heartbreaking to see, especially as his dipping in and out of consciousness meant we saw him 'seeing' old friends. Shane! Sasha! Herschel truly brought a tear to my eye being as we lost Scott Wilson not very long ago.
So the last scene, and Rick is saved. Just where the hell is he going?
But oh no, the real last scene - a freaking huge time jump, and Little Ass Kicker is now a Bigger Little Ass Kicker!
Is it next week yet?
EDIT: If this is Lauren Cohen's last appearance this year, I'm just happy she's not dead. I knew she wouldn't be in too many episodes this season, but I took that to mean she may end up dead. It gives hope that she'll be pottering about somewhere in the background until the schedule works again.
The scene with Maggie and Negen was very good. She was all ready with her rage on him and then saw how broken a man he truly was. I actually felt something for him for the first time that wasn't annoyance.
I was hoping that Rick wouldn't be killed, but I couldn't quite work out how to make that happen without it seeming stupid. The involvement of Jadis and the helicopter really surprised me though. Well done TWD producers for pulling the wool over my eyes.
His heroic 'last' efforts against the horde of walkers was heartbreaking to see, especially as his dipping in and out of consciousness meant we saw him 'seeing' old friends. Shane! Sasha! Herschel truly brought a tear to my eye being as we lost Scott Wilson not very long ago.
So the last scene, and Rick is saved. Just where the hell is he going?
But oh no, the real last scene - a freaking huge time jump, and Little Ass Kicker is now a Bigger Little Ass Kicker!
Is it next week yet?
EDIT: If this is Lauren Cohen's last appearance this year, I'm just happy she's not dead. I knew she wouldn't be in too many episodes this season, but I took that to mean she may end up dead. It gives hope that she'll be pottering about somewhere in the background until the schedule works again.
Wow, I totally did not see that coming. I mean, most of that Rick stuf was pretty predictable, but then that ending just came up and blew me away.
After seeing Rick say goodbye, after everyone had told him he was in the wrong about this or that, and then seeing little Judith come out like that, that was such a happy ending type of thing that just seemed to justify all of Rick's efforts over the years.
That said, let me offer this warning: next week's episode better be damn good. Because just reading posts on here it feels like many folks will almost be treating it as a brand new series premiere.
As others have mentioned above, with a full 6 years having passed, there's no way everyone else is just fine and dandy too. Other named characters must have died. Hell, with 6 long winters to go through, all the trees around them must be gone too, with all the firewood they surely had to cut down to keep warm during those months.
After seeing Rick say goodbye, after everyone had told him he was in the wrong about this or that, and then seeing little Judith come out like that, that was such a happy ending type of thing that just seemed to justify all of Rick's efforts over the years.
That said, let me offer this warning: next week's episode better be damn good. Because just reading posts on here it feels like many folks will almost be treating it as a brand new series premiere.
As others have mentioned above, with a full 6 years having passed, there's no way everyone else is just fine and dandy too. Other named characters must have died. Hell, with 6 long winters to go through, all the trees around them must be gone too, with all the firewood they surely had to cut down to keep warm during those months.
About the only thing keeping my attention with TWD these days is the helicopter people. Second goes to the Whisperers / evolving walkers. Sorry, but badass Judith doesn't do anything for me.
I hope the direction of the show will be exploring those and ending the Zombie Apocalypse, as opposed to new despotic person of the season battling the heroes, which is the same as it's always been.
PS: Is Negan still locked up, 6 years onward?
I hope the direction of the show will be exploring those and ending the Zombie Apocalypse, as opposed to new despotic person of the season battling the heroes, which is the same as it's always been.
PS: Is Negan still locked up, 6 years onward?
Only a 6% bump for Rick's farewell episode, with 5.4 million watching. This is probably not what AMC was hoping for, though TWD is still the most watched genre show behind only GOT.
This has to be making AMC nervous about the Rick movies though, since they will likely have far lower ratings than the main show.
And now we see what the ratings look like in a post-Rick Walking Dead. If his "death" has the same effect as Glenn's did, the show is in legitimate trouble.
This has to be making AMC nervous about the Rick movies though, since they will likely have far lower ratings than the main show.
And now we see what the ratings look like in a post-Rick Walking Dead. If his "death" has the same effect as Glenn's did, the show is in legitimate trouble.
Agreed. Maggie was a major character, but not so important that she can't take a leave of absence while other events play out. The series survived permanent big character departures before, and it will do so going forward.
Yeah, the Rick movies was an unexpected but brilliant development, but its prefect handling of the series' focal point to finish his story, but allow the "A" series to move I a direction already set in motion.
Ann/Jadis is more intriguing now than ever before. I suspect Rick's survival will walk hand in hand with his being forced to get used to some group's idea of a :new world order", but the big question is what part will Jadis play in that. Whatever it is, I do hope it has nothing to do with a Rick / Jadis romance.
Rick's hallucinations / self analysis was based on guilt (Shane) and desire (Hershel's way of life). Sasha was just "there" as far as I'm concerned, as her sacrifice did not--as she believed--stop the escalation of the war or victims. With Lori, I feel that's a settled matter since he accepted he was not completely at fault for her death. Further, he stopped seeing visions of her (in a position of judgement over him), once he dropped the "Ricktator" mindset, and opened his heart to the Woodbury survivors in the season 3 finale. With Carl, I thought his last letter and Rick thinking back to Carl as a small child served the purpose of his feelings about Carl's life and influence on Rick.
Heh...as opposed to that Star-Trek-in-name-only show she's on now?
As fascinating and downright cool it was to see the older Judith, here's hoping they don't have her running around knowing too much for her age, or being Carl 2.0. On that note, so far, the previews have her in a very similar situation to Carl by having a confident kid be the one to bring in new people with no adult authority present, just as Carl rescued / let Tyreese and Sasha's group into the commons area of the prison back in season three's "Made to Suffer."
I think Rick's "death" can go in one of two directions: it will push him away more than before, or overwhelmed by emotion, he will actually plant his feet firmly at Alexandria, if for no other reason than to be near Rick's family.
We see a slightly older looking Aaron, Jesus and Carol, but Daryl, Eugene and Rosita did not look as if a week passed, I do wonder abut Enid--she will now be into adulthood (the actress is 19), so how will they present that, as she still looks like a kid?
I doubt the showrunners will do that, since their presence would render any further viewing of Fear the Walking Dead pointless, and its not so interesting that audiences would watch for what would be a glorified flashback.
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I'm starting to doubt they are nervous about anything; the WD franchise makes money hand over fist--I'd argue more than allegedly "better known" TV properties based on DC and Marvel comic books. AMC's decision to launch a Rick series (not to mention the other productions in the works) happened some time ago--at a time when ratings were not over the moon, yet they still greenlit the coming series. That means AMC is just greedy and will bleed the stone dry, or they are aware that their numbers are still leaps and bounds above the endless numbers of fantasy shows on the CW, Netflix, etc., and justifies their plans to expand the franchise.
Wow - wonder what she did or who she pissed off, or who on the Executive production staff doesn't like her as that's a real dick move for a main character that's been a part of the series for so long.
She had a long protracted contract negotiation, which is a no-no on AMC. If her new show gets canceled they'll probably bring her back.
Well, that's a risk when you demand more money; the PTB might call you out on what they think of your value to their product. I don't know what she was earning--or if she wanted Lincoln or Reedus-level money, but from what was covered, it seemed to be a bitter negotiation process.
Wow that was a great episode, and a nice farewell (from the series) for Rick. His dream conversations with Shane, Herschel, and Sasha gave some nice insight into where his mind was.
I was really surprised he survived, I had figured it was pretty much a given that he was going to die. Ann and the helicopter people's role in his fate was a big surprise.
That last scene was the biggest surprise of the episode, and I can't wait to see where they go. Judith is a bad ass, and I love how they had her in Rick's hat, and had her with a sword and a gun. I know she's not Michonne's biological daughter, but it really did feel like they were combining elements of her and Rick there.
My only real disappointment was how little we got with Maggie. I read an article about how it was her last episode before I watched it, so I had been hoping we'd be getting a fair of amount of stuff with her, and a nice farewell. We did get one great scene with her in confrontation with Negan. I loved her letting him live as an even worse punishment than death. I wonder if him banging his head against the wall after talking to Michonne was a suicide attempt?
I was not expecting to hear the announcement about the movies, definitely very curious to see where they go with them.
I was really surprised he survived, I had figured it was pretty much a given that he was going to die. Ann and the helicopter people's role in his fate was a big surprise.
That last scene was the biggest surprise of the episode, and I can't wait to see where they go. Judith is a bad ass, and I love how they had her in Rick's hat, and had her with a sword and a gun. I know she's not Michonne's biological daughter, but it really did feel like they were combining elements of her and Rick there.
My only real disappointment was how little we got with Maggie. I read an article about how it was her last episode before I watched it, so I had been hoping we'd be getting a fair of amount of stuff with her, and a nice farewell. We did get one great scene with her in confrontation with Negan. I loved her letting him live as an even worse punishment than death. I wonder if him banging his head against the wall after talking to Michonne was a suicide attempt?
I was not expecting to hear the announcement about the movies, definitely very curious to see where they go with them.
I doubt it. I sure hope not.
But imagine those words coming out of Glen's mouth. I'm pretty sure that part was intended for him, given his importance to the show and to Rick. I just wonder if he wasn't available or wasn't willing.
Exactly. I feel bad for her.
I hope that things unfold in real time now, so they don't have the same problem as with Carl being too old for his age.
I've wondered about that, too. In a world with such a high body count, not everybody we know could have survived those six years-- plus, people we've never met should have risen to prominence.
I have been losing interest in TWD for a long time now, but the time jump and the fact that they're finally starting to show the slow decay of everything humans have built has me intrigued again.
It was nice seeing Hershel one last time too. It was made all the more poignant considering Scott Wilson just died last month.
It was nice seeing Hershel one last time too. It was made all the more poignant considering Scott Wilson just died last month.
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