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Spoilers The Walking Dead - Season 9 discussion and spoilers

Thought it was a decent episode, really liked the relationship/brother stuff between Rick and Daryl.

But is there a damn pit/hole/whatever in this world Rick hasn't fallen into?

Rick is too forgiving of Daryl, same as he is too forgiving on Negan. Daryl has literally betrayed him and undermined everything he stands for.
 
I have to confess, if we didn't know that Andrew Lincoln was leaving and Norman Reedus isn't, I could almost see all of this leading up to Daryl becoming a bad guy.
 
Man, what a season this is turning out to be. A year and a half after Negan and the loose affiliation of communities that Rick is trying to build is falling apart-- Oceansiders executing Saviors, Saviors attacking the Kingdom, Rick and Daryl coming to blows over Negan as Maggie rides off on her horse to assassinate him. Meanwhile, in the background, Micchone is all the Founding Fathers rolled into one as she writes a new Constitution from scratch. And Negan himself has been driven mad by solitary confinement in his dungeon and is torturing himself over the loss of his baseball bat, even as he continues to play his mind games on anyone who comes within earshot. The show has really evolved the feeling of living history, of powerful personalities in play, people acting on petty impulses and for the greater good, plans set in motion and spiraling out of control, and random events changing the shape of the world. The question is, will Rick's death be a catalyst for unity or explode it all into utter chaos?

And what role will Negan play? They're not keeping Jeffrey Dean Morgan on the payroll to just stand in the shadows and beat his head against the wall.

Aside from that, Rick and Daryl's Pit of Doom was pretty cool. That didn't look like a sinkhole. It looks like somebody dug it, with the intention of covering it up to create a trap-- but for Zombies or people? In any case, it was nice to see Rick and Daryl kind of work things out-- Rick's death will hit Daryl hard enough.
 
So I'm guessing Rick will pull himself off that spar, then mount up and lead the horde away until he runs out of strength (or traitor horse throws him again) at which point he'll put his .357 to his temple say "I don't want to go" then regenerate into David Tennant...

Ahem!

So what the hell was Jadis playing it? Does an A actually refer to an infected individual then? Shit and here we were thinking an A was a badge of honour!

The Rick/Daryl conversation in a hole was interesting, if incredibly contrived, and Negan/Micchone didn't work for me, however angry she is, she's not remotely the kind of person Negan is and I can't see her ever becoming like that, even losing Rick won't tip her over the edge. So no final conversation between Rick and Maggie then? (Probably no final conversation between Rick and anyone outside of a hallucination of Shane by the looks of it)
 
So what the hell was Jadis playing it? Does an A actually refer to an infected individual then? Shit and here we were thinking an A was a badge of honour!
At the moment, I'm operating under the belief that A means potential threat, as that would explain why Gabriel's sudden reclassification nearly gets him killed. Mind you, the part I don't get is whoever Jadis was talking to said they wanted an A, and upon realizing Gabriel is one, she tries to kill him.
So no final conversation between Rick and Maggie then? (Probably no final conversation between Rick and anyone outside of a hallucination of Shane by the looks of it)
Personally, I'm kind of annoyed we're likely not getting a proper good-bye between Rick and Morgan.
 
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The question is, will Rick's death be a catalyst for unity or explode it all into utter chaos?

Both; some will see they were wrong to fight against Rick's pledge to Carl and "the new world", while others will see Rick's departure as the final nail in humanity's coffin. For any of the characters who knew Rick since or near the beginning, his loss will be the culmination of all of the suffering and fighting with nothing gained for it all, which might send them into a state of extreme isolation and violent, opportunistic behavior, similar to the Wolves of Randall's gang (season 2).

And what role will Negan play? They're not keeping Jeffrey Dean Morgan on the payroll to just stand in the shadows and beat his head against the wall.

I'm guessing he's going to escape, or by some incredible change of heart, Michonne grants him "time in the yard" (a prison reference), hinting at Carl's dream of Negan walking around, talking to Judith, etc., but he will ultimately be the beast he's always been and seek help from ex-Saviors, or the Whisperers to drop the final hand of destruction on his enemies, which is the point he leaves the show, as I don't see him continuing to play well (as a hard A-type dictator personality) with the leader(s) of that group.


At the moment, I'm operating under the belief that A means potential threat, as that would explain why Gabriel's sudden reclassification nearly gets him killed. Mind you, the part I don't get is whoever Jadis was talking to said they wanted an A, and upon realizing Gabriel is one, she tries to kill him.

If Father Gabriel is classified as "A", then Jadis probably figured she did not want him to face whatever happens to "A" class people once they're in the hands of her benefactors (honestly caring about him?), and could not spare his life for fear that he would act on his promise to tell Rick and Company about her secret business.

Personally, I'm kind of annoyed we're likely not getting a proper good-bye between Rick and Morgan.

Well, Fear the Walking Dead was an experiment on fumes and needed a boost. Since Morgan has brought some attention back the series, and the character now wants to plant himself with others to make a new community, there's not much of a chance he will show up on TWD...
...unless FTWD ultimately faces cancellation, so the showrunners create some doomsday plot to kill off everyone except for one or two characters who join Morgan on his once-abandoned trip back to Virginia, right in time for some important TWD plot to start.
 
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Ratings for TWD seem to have stabilized, with another tiny uptick for this week's episode. This coming Sunday is the big event of the whole season.. Let's see if it has an effect one way or the other. After this one, a whole new era of the show begins. Will it survive?
 
If Father Gabriel is classified as "A", then Jadis probably figured she did not want him to face whatever happens to "A" class people once they're in the hands of her benefactors (honestly caring about him?),
That's certainly an interesting idea.
 
So is the general consensus that Rick will definitely die? We will see his heart stop beating and/or him turn to a zombie?

I'm not entirely convinced. All we know is that Lincoln is exiting the show. And the show is known for it's twists. Death seems almost too obvious at this point.
 
Both; some will see they were wrong to fight against Rick's pledge to Carl and "the new world", while others will see Rick's departure as the final nail in humanity's coffin. For any of the characters who knew Rick since or near the beginning, his loss will be the culmination of all of the suffering and fighting with nothing gained for it all, which might send them into a state of extreme isolation and violent, opportunistic behavior, similar to the Wolves of Randall's gang (season 2).
I don't think it will be those who have known him the longest, like Carol and Daryl, because something has been gained and they'll want to keep that momentum. But it may not be so for the Oceansiders and the Hilltop, and maybe even the Kingdom, although Rick and the King have a lot in common.

I'm guessing he's going to escape, or by some incredible change of heart, Michonne grants him "time in the yard" (a prison reference), hinting at Carl's dream of Negan walking around, talking to Judith, etc., but he will ultimately be the beast he's always been and seek help from ex-Saviors, or the Whisperers to drop the final hand of destruction on his enemies, which is the point he leaves the show, as I don't see him continuing to play well (as a hard A-type dictator personality) with the leader(s) of that group.
He's got to have some kind of grand finale, considering the part he's played in the show, and it very likely will spin out of Rick's death. I'll be glad to see him go. I think he was a bad turn for the show. I love Jeffrey Dean Morgan, though-- maybe he can make a return appearance on Supernatural.

That was a cool looking horse, I love it's coloring.
Indeed. I love having the horses around in general. I wonder what that's like on the set-- and how it affects the show's budget. :rommie:

So is the general consensus that Rick will definitely die? We will see his heart stop beating and/or him turn to a zombie?

I'm not entirely convinced. All we know is that Lincoln is exiting the show. And the show is known for it's twists. Death seems almost too obvious at this point.
I'm kind of wondering about that, too. We know he's in eight episodes and next week is only the 5th-- will the rest be flashbacks to the 18-month gap, or is there some twist in store? Maybe he'll go back into his coma. I've always thought that there was something different about Rick, maybe something different in the way he responded to the Zombie virus, given that he was able to survive all that time in the coma without care, and be in such good shape when he awoke.
 
If Father Gabriel is classified as "A", then Jadis probably figured she did not want him to face whatever happens to "A" class people once they're in the hands of her benefactors (honestly caring about him?), and could not spare his life for fear that he would act on his promise to tell Rick and Company about her secret business.

I dunno, if I cared for someone but thought the only way to protect myself and save him from a fate worst than death was to kill him I might choose a more humane method than death by biting!
 
I dunno, if I cared for someone but thought the only way to protect myself and save him from a fate worst than death was to kill him I might choose a more humane method than death by biting!

Well, Jadis is not exactly playing with a full deck, so to her, killing Gabriel that was preferable to handing him over to whoever she's working for, and not posing another aggressive act from Rick's group.
 
She could have smothered him then let the Walker lose on him, or at least do it when he was unconscious rather than waiting till he was awake then dropping a zombie on him!
 
Maybe Rick will die but sort of still exist as a zombie. If the actor wants to ever return it means someone finds a cure, and finds zombie RIck and brings him back to life. As for Morgan. I could see Rick and Morgan meeting one more time on that show since that show is set in the past. It would be tinted with our fore knowledge of what will soon happen to RIck in the future.

Jason
 
So is the general consensus that Rick will definitely die? We will see his heart stop beating and/or him turn to a zombie?

I'm not entirely convinced. All we know is that Lincoln is exiting the show. And the show is known for it's twists. Death seems almost too obvious at this point.
It's not just "general consensus" it's fact confirmed by showrunner Angela Kang on the Talking Dead preview special back in the summer.
 
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