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The Walking Dead Season 6 Discussion

You mentioned her shooting Wolf-boy being a catalyst. but I think the series has presented Lizzie as the ground zero of Carol's troubles. It was bad enough she lost Sophia to the living dead, but for her own hand to be forced to take the life of a living girl--one of her surrogate daughters in a no-escape situation of tragedy--was too much. She hardly felt human after that (even after Daryl tried to support her during 5A), but she was still intent on protecting her family. Only now, she realizes that taking every conflict to the ultimate end is just a mirror of the same conclusion reached in the Lizzie situation, and that's unbearable.

Sigh..... You and I disagree a LOT when it comes to various aspects of this show but this thing I agree with, almost. I'd put her decision to not kill as happening later than what happened with Lizzie since Carol didn't have this much of a crisis of "faith" (I guess to call it) dealing with the Termites, the Wolves and potentially having to do it with the Alexandrians when they first got there and she put on her Suzie Homemaker routine to gain their trust in case they had to blind-side them if the place wasn't ready to do what was necessary to stay safe. She was also very intent on killing Morgan and it seemed more like that was the tipping point.

When she realized how quickly her mind "went there" it may have begun to sink-in and shock her on where she was at as a person and now that scares her.

The situation with Lizzie was the first step but I think the ultimate culmination of it was dealing with the wolf Morgan captured and her gut reaction to it. (Killing Morgan.)
 
That crossed my mind too. I got the "I don't want to kill for you so I'm leaving you to die" vibe near the end of the episode. The whole thing doesn't make that much since. I can't believe that it's safer outside, even if their home is targeted.

Yeah. She won't be safer, the people she cares about won't be safer and its highly unlikely she'll avoid situations where she has to kill again. I can only think that her logic is "If I'm going to freeze up when it matters better that just kills me than anyone else." but it still seems pretty thin?

From the clip we got of next weeks show, Glenn's line... "It's not what we thought it was, it's bigger"... is intriguing. I think we can assume he's talking about the saviours.

Maybe he's seen Andrew Lincoln's paycheque?
 
Did they just start a war between two post apocalyptic factions? I'd like it if they go that direction.
 
Did they just start a war between two post apocalyptic factions? I'd like it if they go that direction.

That's where it's going.

Some unconfirmed chatter claims the season ends...
on a cliffhanger, with Negan playing his "select the head" game, but we do not see who actually has his or her head caved in until season 7's premiere, thus leaving the devastation to start a season (which has never happened before in WD's TV history), rather than end it. The effect would keep the "war" theme very fresh for audiences.
 
So, that was the FORESHADOWING episode. We knew you liked foreshadowing, so we put some foreshadowing in your foreshadowing just to make sure you got enough foreshadowing.
 
"East"--

"Nancy from Montclair" Carol can take on an identity at a moment's notice.

So what is Carol's real purpose? Her tears and inner conflict seems real, but she's still ready and willing to strike when threatened. Will she (and Morgan) launch the first attack on the Saviors while the exchange is happening?

So Enid seems to be taking comic Sophia's place. I guess she will not be Carl's GF once she moves to Hilltop.

So, Maggie--or Cohan cutting her hair was not a reaction to a predicted death. Did the Savior cut trigger a miscarriage?

Rick and Morgan finally get the most time together since "Clear."

...and for all of the Carol haters, FINALLY, Rick agrees Carol was RIGHT in the Karen and David matter, and said he would thank her if that situation happened today. Interesting.

Key points:

Morgan's "the wrong that doesn't pull you down" That is a major statement for the entire series, and what moral line one is willing to cross.

After Morgan admitted what he did with the Wolf, Rick still shows he cares for Morgan, and asks if he's coming back.

Morgan telling Rick he should not be out in the field calls back to season 4's flashbacks from "A," where Hershel told Rick he did not need to keep going out on runs / searching for you-know-who.

Rick: "That woman's a force of nature." Fascinating character assessment of Carol.Perhaps its true, considering the way she's changed and endured throughout endless disasters.

Daryl and Rosita's revenge quest is a pot of boiling gasoline; both seem to think they cannot live other than a "blood for blood" reality.

I'm sure the whole WD fan world thinks Daryl getting shot means he will be the one to die in the season finale, but something tells me Michonne might be the one to go--particularly since she's in such bliss with Rick.

...or Judith.

On Talking Dead: Sonequa Martin-Green--gorgeous woman.

In the preview, glad to see Carl back in action. He's not the one to mess with..
 
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The way this show is I'm not even 100% that Daryl was shot.

I think I'd take one of those Hilltop spears over a knife with a three-inch blade. I guess our heroes really like getting blood all over themselves.

Having a pristine Lincoln in the apocalypse must stick out somewhat.
 
The way this show is I'm not even 100% that Daryl was shot.

Then where did the close contact blood splatter come from? It was from Daryl's right side--the side where Dwight was standing, so I doubt it was Rosita's blood. Since there were no walkers in the area, the show cannot legitimately fake the audience out with that when the scene resumes.
 
So, that was the FORESHADOWING episode. We knew you liked foreshadowing, so we put some foreshadowing in your foreshadowing just to make sure you got enough foreshadowing.

Daryl is fine. If we're to take Dwight as a new character for our team then having him kill Daryl would be a shitty way to endear him to the audience.

Let's say the fetus died in utero, would it turn? And if it did, would a two-month old fetus pose any kind of internal threat to Maggie beyond forcing a miscarriage?

Morgan's logic is.... "interesting." He describes how he saved the Wolf and the Wolf, in turn, sacrificed himself in order to save Denise when the herd was inside Alexandria and she went on to save Carl. Morgan uses this to sell his "circle of life" logic to Rick which, on the face, sounds good. He tried to save the Wolf and got through to him enough that he sacrificed himself for Denise.

Only.... Denise was only in danger *because* of Morgan and the Wolf. The Wolf wasn't "saved" enough to not want to kidnap Denise at first and put her at risk for his own gain. It still took some time and probably his own, Pre-Walker Apocalypse, instinct to save her in the end. But say Morgan killed that Wolf during the wooded ambush last season, or when Morgan came across him later on during the raid. If the Wolf were dead then Morgan wouldn't have needed to pull Denise out of the infirmary to have her check his medical needs. The entire reason she was in danger is *because* Morgan saved that Wolf. Yeah, in the end, it turned out fine but it very easily could not have and, really the behavior of "The Saviors" really should tell/show Morgan they're not to be trusted.

God, he's such a deluded idiot right now. It's not a world anymore where "life is precious" it's eat or, literally, be eaten and The Saviors have shown themselves to be a formidable threat.

And to play on Morgan's butterfly effect, he didn't kill the Wolves he fought during the raid, they got away, and they ambushed Rick int he RV. Rick very well could have died. Where is the "circle of life", "all things end for the good" connection in that?!

So, Maggie--or Cohan cutting her hair was not a reaction to a predicted death. Did the Savior cut trigger a miscarriage?

The knife only cut her shirt. it never touched Maggie. She could just be having a miscarriage which isn't too uncommon for many pregnancies, especially one without regular medical care.

...and for all of the Carol haters, FINALLY, Rick agrees Carol was RIGHT in the Karen and David matter, and said he would thank her if that situation happened today. Interesting.

This is the "darker" Rick we're seeing today as opposed to the one that lived at that time in the prison. And it still doesn't make Carol right. Killing Karen and David would have, and actually did not, done nothing to prevent the spread of the virus. Viruses don't work that way.
 
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Watched the episode. My reaction?
*clears throat*
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCK!!
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Holy crap on a cracker. I have LOVED this half of the season. I can not WAIT to see how it ends. Who will meet Lucille? Glenn? Abraham? Rick? It just better not be Daryl.

But I checked my homeowner's insurance just in case; we are INDEED covered in case of riot. ;)
 
Daryl is fine. If we're to take Dwight as a new character for our team then having him kill Daryl would be a shitty way to endear him to the audience.

Who knows? This series loves to play with the idea of there being few moral people left, but end up working on the side of the protagonists, so if he hurts, kills or leads Negan to kill Daryl, he is still capable of turning later--much like Merle.

Let's say the fetus died in utero, would it turn? And if it did, would a two-month old fetus pose any kind of internal threat to Maggie beyond forcing a miscarriage?

The only threat it would pose is the infection caused by a reanimated zombie corpse inside her; its one thing for Jenner to say everyone carried the disease, but that only poses a problem at the point of death. Carrying a zombie fetus? Clearly, no good can come from that.

God, he's such a deluded idiot right now. It's not a world anymore where "life is precious" it's eat or, literally, be eaten and The Saviors have shown themselves to be a formidable threat.

So, what's the answer? Borrowing the real world John McCain/neocon belief that wars will go on for generations, with no alternate solutions in sight? That is the only option in the ZA world if one adopts the Shane/Governor/Claimers/Terminus view of the world.

"In this life now, you kill or you die, or you die and you kill."
--The Governor

"It ain't like it was before, Rick!"

--Shane

"You're either the butcher, or the cattle."

--Mary and Gareth


Those are the new "world war" mentalities that support the reason Eastman and Morgan believe what they do. What is life, if its one deadly encounter after another?

This is the "darker" Rick we're seeing today as opposed to the one that lived at that time in the prison. And it still doesn't make Carol right. Killing Karen and David would have, and actually did not, done nothing to prevent the spread of the virus. Viruses don't work that way.

Karen and David would eventually die, and threatened to turn and set in motion another Patrick situation--which did happen twice in the prison.
 
The knife only cut her shirt. it never touched Maggie. She could just be having a miscarriage which isn't too uncommon for many pregnancies, especially one without regular medical care.
Didn't the Saviors kick her a few times? I believe those were the bruises we saw in the shower scene.
 
...and for all of the Carol haters, FINALLY, Rick agrees Carol was RIGHT in the Karen and David matter, and said he would thank her if that situation happened today. Interesting.
Speaking of things Rick said...

"The world's ours."

Holy crap. He meant it too. He's gone full Scarface.
 
...and for all of the Carol haters, FINALLY, Rick agrees Carol was RIGHT in the Karen and David matter, and said he would thank her if that situation happened today. Interesting.
Which is some revisionist history that ignores what actually happened, as Rick knows that Daryl showed up with the medicine they needed not long after Carol did what she did. He may have meant that he would have made the same decision as she did at the time, but saying that she was right to do it just ignores what actually happened.
 
Which is some revisionist history that ignores what actually happened, as Rick knows that Daryl showed up with the medicine they needed not long after Carol did what she did. He may have meant that he would have made the same decision as she did at the time, but saying that she was right to do it just ignores what actually happened.
Whatever! He said it! No backsies! :D
 
What I like about this show a lot is how it follows the story in the comics fairly closely while still making a number of changes and altering/adding plot lines to keep it interesting. This season started off pretty slow, dealing with the No Way Out story but will end around the 100th issue of the comic series. I looked back through my collected editions and figured out roughly how each season follows the comic series--keeping in mind that some plot points are moved around:

Season 1: Issues 1-9
Season 2: Issues 10-12
Season 3: Issues 13-36 (The prison story is quite different so where the ending of the third season falls is difficult to determine)
Season 4: Issues 37-60 (Again the specific ending issue is up for debate, but the Fear the Hunters story begins in issue 61)
Season 5: Issues 61-77
Season 6: Issues 78-100

The series was on Issue 78 the month the AMC series premiered. Now it is at 152. Moving at the show's current pace, it still has several seasons of story left before it catches up to the comic stories.
 
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