That, and when people in that world are always on the lookout for everything, they would not leave any building unexplored, as everything--by that time--is a potential asset.
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That, and when people in that world are always on the lookout for everything, they would not leave any building unexplored, as everything--by that time--is a potential asset.
To be fair though, they did take the effort to show that a lot of people and/or zombies were trying to get inside. If it had taken more than a crowbar to get in, it would almost be feasible to say that it had remained untouched at least during the original events of the apocalypse.
But with Rick's Group, Jesus and his Hilltop scavengers, and Negan's group all operating in the area? Yeah, it's just not plausible at all. A truck full of food and supplies, alone, was pretty silly, but a shop in a strip mall with "we have drugs here" written over the untouched doorway, right alongside what was apparently a major enough road that Denise passed it on her way to Alexandria? Yeah, plausibility is down in the 0.0x% region, I'd say.
But with Rick's Group, Jesus and his Hilltop scavengers, and Negan's group all operating in the area? Yeah, it's just not plausible at all. A truck full of food and supplies, alone, was pretty silly, but a shop in a strip mall with "we have drugs here" written over the untouched doorway, right alongside what was apparently a major enough road that Denise passed it on her way to Alexandria? Yeah, plausibility is down in the 0.0x% region, I'd say.
I should have said "a good excuse for a handwave", which is generally how things work on this show. And that's more excuse than the gasoline has.
I don't give the Wolves credit for enough book smarts, and I think the Saviors are far enough away not to count. So the only question is why the Alexandrians never thought of this place before. And a good excuse for a handwave is: it never occurred to them to look under "A" when looking for pharmacies or medical supply stores. Yeah, I know. Work with me here.
(That's assuming they all know the meaning of the word. I'm sure some of them did. Porchdick Pete must have.)
More realistically, there have probably been better places to search up to now. I think we're just now seeing the scouring of the last few untouched places. What will become unrealistic is if later they stumble upon yet another treasure trove of untouched supplies, like a "Wal-Mart" that no one remembered about. Sooner or later things like that must all dry up.
It would be great if we could see people redeveloping crafts and skills. Hilltop has the right idea. Making new bullets is one thing, but there is no support for all the modern paraphernalia Alexandria uses. And they don't have the resources to develop more. Plastics, microchips, refined petroleum, etc. are out of their reach no matter what. But if they start learning how to forge, smelt, build steam engines, extrude copper wire, isolate chemicals, blow glass for light bulbs and vacuum tubes, etc, then by the time the last solar panel goes down they could comfortably sustain themselves at an early 20th-century level (with the potential to keep advancing).
If they keep operating the way they are, then eventually they'll just run out of tools and find themselves dumped at the beginning of the 18th century. Without the prospect of advancing any time soon.
Would old-style black powder even work in modern firearms?
Enjoyed that one.
It does seem odd that there are so many people in this one small area and they're using up the same resources but weren't bumping into each other before this. Why didn't the saviours or Hilltop come across Alexandria long before Rick ever got there?
I can totally see Carol ending up in Negan's group. Becoming one of his lieutenants perhaps.
I think it's mostly horses in the comics now.
It does seem odd that there are so many people in this one small area and they're using up the same resources but weren't bumping into each other before this. Why didn't the saviours or Hilltop come across Alexandria long before Rick ever got there?
I can totally see Carol ending up in Negan's group. Becoming one of his lieutenants perhaps.
I think it's mostly horses in the comics now.
Yeah, after two years gasoline would all but be useless. But medicine would still work, just less effectively. Probably. Changing the "expiration" dates of medication requires a lot of governmental red-tape to ensure that it'll still work the claimed period of time. Any doctor likely knows or feels that the medication will work even if it is "expired" and if it he feels it's grown less effective knows how much more to push the maximum dose to make-up for it but still remain harmless even if there's a possibility of OD'ing.
Besides, it's likely at this point anyone using medication in a life-or-death situation so it's a "what do you have to lose?" kind of thing. Sort-of how I felt a few episodes ago when Denise stuggled over whether or not to operate on someone who was mortally wounded. It was a case of "either do nothing and they die or try and to save them and they might die from your efforts."
Convenient writing. Just like the Wolves--as spread as they were--from Noah's hometown to the woods of--everywhere--to the general area near ASZ, how is it that it took finding Aaron's pack to find a place where its management required frequent supply runs, etc.?
That would a great turn, but knowing this show, it would be an infiltration move that lasts all season 7 long, only for Negan (or an associate) to discover the treachery, and she becomes the Next Big Death of the season.
Everyone is playing death watch for this series, but I will go out on a limb and say the event that made Andrew Lincoln "sick" is that Judith will be the victim of Negan.
I have to admit after last nights episode I am growing a bit weary of the show. I will continue to watch but it seems at this point to be following the same formula every season. Its becoming wash, rinse and repeat. Maybe when Negan shows up I will be more interested but with all the deaths and all the killings the group does I don't think anything Negan does at this point will surprise me even if he kills off a major character. I think the major character kill off will be Maggie. After all the trouble the writers went to keep Glenn alive earlier in the season it would be stupid to kill him off now. A Maggie kill off would I guess be more dramatic and horrifying since shes pregnant.
I'd say that's very possible. But I've gotta say I'll really be disappointed in the show if they do.
I really, really doubt they'll go there. They have to know their audience still has limits and seeing Negan kill a baby with a barbed-wire wrapped baseball bat would probably push that line too far.
Denise's death caught me off guard, and its a shame as I liked her as a character and, as has been said, she's effectively the only doctor they had (although I suppose there is at least one up at Hilltop). I realise its for drama's sake but, given their dealings with the Saviours, and they know there are more out there, the Wolves, and they suspect there are more out there, and the ever present Walker threat, it does bug me that they let people go out in groups and 2 or 3. Denise didn't even have a gun (actually did Eugene?). I'm not suggesting they go out mob handed every time they leave Alexandria but you'd think they'd have some kind of minimum number (four or five would seem reasonable).
God knows what's going on in Carol's head. If she doesn't want to kill any more she could just become Morgan's padawan? By leaving she weakens the group and puts her own life in danger into the bargain, unless she's just planning suicide by Walker/Saviour?
By the way if anyone's interested in a detailed exploration of how easy it would be to reboot society after the apocalypse I recommend this book what it mainly taught me is that after the apocalypse I'd be screwed as so much we rely on requires so much effort to produce. Interesting stuff though.
God knows what's going on in Carol's head. If she doesn't want to kill any more she could just become Morgan's padawan? By leaving she weakens the group and puts her own life in danger into the bargain, unless she's just planning suicide by Walker/Saviour?
By the way if anyone's interested in a detailed exploration of how easy it would be to reboot society after the apocalypse I recommend this book what it mainly taught me is that after the apocalypse I'd be screwed as so much we rely on requires so much effort to produce. Interesting stuff though.
That crossed my mind too. I got the "I don't want to kill for you so I'm leaving you to die" vibe near the end of the episode. The whole thing doesn't make that much since. I can't believe that it's safer outside, even if their home is targeted.
She either ends up with Negan or ends up back at Alexandria in Morgan's new prison. Either way, I'm strongly starting to think that she might be the one to die.
From the clip we got of next weeks show, Glenn's line... "It's not what we thought it was, it's bigger"... is intriguing. I think we can assume he's talking about the saviours.
From the clip we got of next weeks show, Glenn's line... "It's not what we thought it was, it's bigger"... is intriguing. I think we can assume he's talking about the saviours.
Sad to see Denise go, as she was a likable character who's important to the group, and I thought her and Tara made a good couple. It's most likely a production decision to forcefully solidify the ties between Alexandria and Hilltop since they have the last surviving friendly doctor in the region, which they'll need soon with Maggie's baby and other health concerns.
As soon as Denise started delivering that long pep talk and the camera pulled back from her face, I had a feeling she was going to get "Deep Blue Sea'd" like Samuel L. Jackson. It's a dangerous proposition to start monologuing out in the wilderness on this show. You've usually got to have secure walls around you and a main character's better survival odds to start Rick Rolling a long speech like that. Plus, Daryl foreshadowed bad shit going down by saying he didn't want to travel down train tracks based on the group's bad experiences with the Claimers and Termites and others around train tracks.
It's kind of getting predictable like when a person is driving through an intersection in TV or movies and the camera pulls back to show them and the intersection from the perspective of the passenger side window. I've become conditioned to expect that they're about to be sideswiped by another vehicle out of nowhere. It happens so often that it's more surprising when it doesn't happen now. I'm sure it started earlier, but I blame Alias for making that trope so common.
Carol's decision to leave seems bizarre and out of character for her. I'm sure it's just there to advance the Savior's plot, but I wish they could have done it without make her act in a way that's inconsistent with how she's been since season 2. Plus, having killing the Wolf be the original (but not only) catalyst for her crisis of conscience seems out of place too. There's nothing wrong with questioning your motives and capability to kill anymore, but I just don't buy that someone so clearly deserving as that dirtbag would be the one to make her doubt herself. Yeah, he selflessly helped Denise (boy, that whole half hour subplot seems like a waste of time now since they killed her a few episodes later), but only for like half a second after he was already dying, so big whoop. It's not like Carol knew that at the time.
As soon as Denise started delivering that long pep talk and the camera pulled back from her face, I had a feeling she was going to get "Deep Blue Sea'd" like Samuel L. Jackson. It's a dangerous proposition to start monologuing out in the wilderness on this show. You've usually got to have secure walls around you and a main character's better survival odds to start Rick Rolling a long speech like that. Plus, Daryl foreshadowed bad shit going down by saying he didn't want to travel down train tracks based on the group's bad experiences with the Claimers and Termites and others around train tracks.
It's kind of getting predictable like when a person is driving through an intersection in TV or movies and the camera pulls back to show them and the intersection from the perspective of the passenger side window. I've become conditioned to expect that they're about to be sideswiped by another vehicle out of nowhere. It happens so often that it's more surprising when it doesn't happen now. I'm sure it started earlier, but I blame Alias for making that trope so common.
Carol's decision to leave seems bizarre and out of character for her. I'm sure it's just there to advance the Savior's plot, but I wish they could have done it without make her act in a way that's inconsistent with how she's been since season 2. Plus, having killing the Wolf be the original (but not only) catalyst for her crisis of conscience seems out of place too. There's nothing wrong with questioning your motives and capability to kill anymore, but I just don't buy that someone so clearly deserving as that dirtbag would be the one to make her doubt herself. Yeah, he selflessly helped Denise (boy, that whole half hour subplot seems like a waste of time now since they killed her a few episodes later), but only for like half a second after he was already dying, so big whoop. It's not like Carol knew that at the time.
I'm still enjoying the show as much as ever, but I admit it is starting to get a bit silly the way the show keeps offing these minor characters they spend so much time building up and developing... all while the core group just keeps chugging along, miraculously escaping death again and again.
As far as I'm concerned, characters like Glenn, Maggie, Carol, and Daryl should be just as expendable as anyone else.
But isn't that what the show needs to do? Continue to intensify the risk and horror, so discussions just like that all over social media: "they will never 'go there' and/or "never kill anyone major" are swatted aside?
More than the tossed around death of the super-popular Daryl or Carol, killing Judith would make Negan the worst creature in WD history. Beyond abominable acts such as The Governor beheading Hershel, or the Claimer's attempted rape of Carl, beating a baby to death an act that is below the dirt of Hell. It would completely justify the "All Out War" adaptation coming in season 7.
Coming from an abusive marriage, Carol thought there was no way to survive the ZA being a victim--or as she considered herself in eyes of Rick (in the season two finale) --a "burden." In a way, she loves too much, as she takes herself to certain levels, but while her actions might help her family, she is still a person born of the pre-ZA world, so she--unlike Shane, The Governor and yes, Rick--has the ability to suffer from moral conflicts framed in that original world, and not just file her actions away as "that's just the way things are now."
You mentioned her shooting Wolf-boy being a catalyst. but I think the series has presented Lizzie as the ground zero of Carol's troubles. It was bad enough she lost Sophia to the living dead, but for her own hand to be forced to take the life of a living girl--one of her surrogate daughters in a no-escape situation of tragedy--was too much. She hardly felt human after that (even after Daryl tried to support her during 5A), but she was still intent on protecting her family. Only now, she realizes that taking every conflict to the ultimate end is just a mirror of the same conclusion reached in the Lizzie situation, and that's unbearable.
The Walking Dead isn't that predictable but that statement is so true.
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