The Walking Dead Season 6 Discussion

[sojourner]

So, wolfy talked about it a while back. Talk is cheap. When did we see him actually get to make his attempt? Oh, yeah, right. When Carol came in and went all "kill! kill! kill!".

But hey, keep denying what we saw actually occur.

People don't have to believe me. it's freely available to watch it happen in the episode.

But hey, if you want to play the "the situation would never have occured game" why stop with Morgan not killing the guy? Let's blame the wolves for warping the guy to begin with. Or his mother for not using contraceptives.

 

[shapeshifter]

They should've dragged Glenn's escape to after the hiatus to really get everyone's panties in a bunch.

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With the exception of helping Enid snap out of it, his return has had zero positive effect. Twice in as many episodes now we've seen him simply standing afar off gazing at the town, like a deer in headlights, but not doing anything to help - such as creating a diversion to draw Walkers away from Alexandria.

Anyway, couple quick questions please - was the tower ever suspected as being the reason that portion of the fence needed bracing, and 2, was the fence bleeding ever explained? TIA

 

[sojourner]

The fence bracing/bleeding was in a different spot than the tower.

 

[shapeshifter]

No, the bracing was there...

See at :07 and :13 seconds.
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdz_q2NU21U[/yt]

The blood was at the bracing too, correct?

 

[Admiral2]

So, wolfy talked about it a while back. Talk is cheap. When did we see him actually get to make his attempt? Oh, yeah, right. When Carol came in and went all "kill! kill! kill!".

But at the time he was still tied up. He would have been dead and tied up two minutes later if not for Morgan going Hare Krishna.

But hey, keep denying what we saw actually occur.

I just told you what I saw occur. Not my problem if your viewpoint's as skewed as anybody else's.

People don't have to believe me. it's freely available to watch it happen in the episode.

Agreed.

But hey, if you want to play the "the situation would never have occured game" why stop with Morgan not killing the guy? Let's blame the wolves for warping the guy to begin with. Or his mother for not using contraceptives.

Good deal. Those options are fine, because I refuse to ding Carol for trying to do something that should have been done like four episodes ago.

 

[sojourner]

I'm not trying to "ding Carol" for "something that should have been done like four episodes ago" either. I'm just pointing out that she managed to instigate the very situation she was afraid of in that scene.

 

[Ryan8bit]

And you know this how?

Because the Wolf literally told Morgan he was going to kill him and everyone else in the town about 2 or 3 episodes ago when it was first revealed that Morgan was holding him prisoner.

Not to mention that on this show (or most shows really), you don't have a prisoner who actually stays prisoner. There was no way that this guy's imprisonment was going to end with him not causing some kind of trouble. That's just the way this goes. I kept asking myself which person the wolf was going to kill because of Morgan.

And I do think it's Morgan's fault that he escaped, not Carol's. He had every opportunity to stop this guy from doing this, but he insists on his terribly absolute moral code. It's one thing to have your own code, but it's another to endanger people because of it. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens to know what the consequences actually will be though.

 

[Admiral2]

I'm not trying to "ding Carol" for "something that should have been done like four episodes ago" either. I'm just pointing out that she managed to instigate the very situation she was afraid of in that scene.

And again, I respond that the escape was going to happen whether she was there or not. His potential hostage had already been left alone with him. He was working on her verbally before either Morgan or Carol got there. Carol gummed up his works by getting there first, but Morgan ruined that advantage by taking on Carol.

Carol didn't "instigate" shit. The wolf took advantage of Morgan's short-sightedness.

 

[Ethros]

I'm giving up on the show now, it seriously sucks. I think I'll wait till all of s6B has finished and then watch it all in one day sometime, but I'm not faffing about waiting between episodes anymore to find out what happens, when literally nothing ever does. That whole Glenn thing has to be one of the worst, cheapest and lame "cliffhangers" I've ever seen, and they've tried to redeem themselves with this guff and yet another huge cop out? Nah, not for me.

So you've given up on it, it's not for you but you're going to watch it.

Oh, the drama.

Just meant I can't be bothered waiting a week between episodes anymore. That's just now how I, or a lot of people I know, watch TV anymore. In order for me to do that it needs to be a serious high quality show, and for me this isn't. So when 6B is done and I have a day free or whatnot I'll take a look, probably skip through a lot of the dull parts too, of which for me lately, there have been a lot of in TWD. I like to see how the show follows the comics.

If others enjoy it good for them, hope they do. Just expressing my opinion dude, that's the point of this board no? My post was kinda ranty I'll give you that, but just because I'd literally just finished watching the episode and I couldn't believe they ended it there if you know what happens next (in the comics at least)

 

[sojourner]

I'm not trying to "ding Carol" for "something that should have been done like four episodes ago" either. I'm just pointing out that she managed to instigate the very situation she was afraid of in that scene.

And again, I respond that the escape was going to happen whether she was there or not. His potential hostage had already been left alone with him. He was working on her verbally before either Morgan or Carol got there. Carol gummed up his works by getting there first, but Morgan ruined that advantage by taking on Carol.

Carol didn't "instigate" shit. The wolf took advantage of Morgan's short-sightedness.

If the wolf was going to use the doc "before either Morgan or Carol got there" why didn't he do it when she got close enough to put him on that IV? What better moment was he waiting for?

 

[Sto-Vo-Kory]

At the point Carol barged in, Denise was still out of army's reach of the Wolf (his side wound would've probably prevented him from bending to reach her). Every scene between the Wolf and Denise before then suggested that the Wolf was playing on her sympathy and intending to assault her once she got a little closer. The scene that ended with Denise pulling out the IV bag and tools also cuts to the Wolf's barely concealed grin.

My read on the situation is that, had Carol stayed upstairs, the Wolf would be free and Denise would be dead.

 

[Ryan8bit]

If the wolf was going to use the doc "before either Morgan or Carol got there" why didn't he do it when she got close enough to put him on that IV? What better moment was he waiting for?

Probably because he needed her medical attention? He did say that was his hope when seeing the photos of Alexandria.

Honestly, we have no idea what the wolves' motives were, just some hints at their craziness. I was hoping he would explain his ideals a bit more with Denise, but it seems we're not going to get that.

I felt that whole scene seemed unconvincing though. He talks about how he's going to kill them all, and we already know that his people have done as much, but then he refuses to actually do any of it once he has the chance. Morgan, Carol, and Denise should all be dead. He totally had the opportunity.

 

[Trekker4747]

He was always going to make an escape attempt, Carol or no Carol. What really allowed him to get away was Morgan stopping Carol on her righteous mission.

I kind of wonder how "true" this is. If he was going to escape why not do it when Denise was caring for him in close proximity?

 

[sojourner]

At the point Carol barged in, Denise was still out of army's reach of the Wolf (his side wound would've probably prevented him from bending to reach her). Every scene between the Wolf and Denise before then suggested that the Wolf was playing on her sympathy and intending to assault her once she got a little closer. The scene that ended with Denise pulling out the IV bag and tools also cuts to the Wolf's barely concealed grin.

We cut from one scene with her getting the IV out of her bag to another scene with it already in use. some where in there she got close enough to hang it and stick the needle in.

 

[Sto-Vo-Kory]

At the point Carol barged in, Denise was still out of army's reach of the Wolf (his side wound would've probably prevented him from bending to reach her). Every scene between the Wolf and Denise before then suggested that the Wolf was playing on her sympathy and intending to assault her once she got a little closer. The scene that ended with Denise pulling out the IV bag and tools also cuts to the Wolf's barely concealed grin.

We cut from one scene with her getting the IV out of her bag to another scene with it already in use. some where in there she got close enough to hang it and stick the needle in.

You're totally right. I didn't see the IV bag hanging there above his shoulder.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Overall, a completely stupid end to a completely stupid season (with the exception of the first two or three episodes and the Eastman episode. People who SHOULD be smarter TWO FUCKING YEARS IN A GODDAMN ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE making decisions that would make Travis and Madison and even the junkie teenager roll their eyes in disbelief.

Oh! A walker herd! Here! Let me walk straight into them with the aiming accuracy of a stormtrooper! Oh noes! I've been bit!

Oh no! Walkers have broken through the fence! I better casually climb this rickety ladder at a leisurely pace onto this piece of plywood held up by a couple of 4x4s and attached to the very fence that just collapsed!

Oh no! Walkers are invading our community! Carl, I'm going to kick your ass and let all these walkers in for taking my girlfriend! That'll show you!

Oh no! The Wolf has taken amateur doctor lady hostage! Whatever you do, don't slam the fucking door in his face when he lets you go for a few seconds to jack around outside!

And what the fuck is wrong with these stupid people? Just about everybody is armed with machetes or at the very least kitchen knives in two story houses. Why not, oh, I don't know, climb up onto the goddamn roof of all their wraparound porches and stab all these walkers in the head from relative safety? How are these morons still alive?

The only reason I will continue watching this "show" is to see how they play Negan (and because I happen to like Jeffrey Dean Morgan). If they make Negan into a pussy, then I'm officially done.

 

[Evil Twin]

Question for comic readers re: Jessie:

Spoiler: Comic stuffs

So do ya'll think they're going to kill her next episode or have her survive and replace Andrea as Rick's significant other? I'm leaning towards the latter, although her stupid kids are definitely dead meat, with Sam given Ron's death and Ron replacing Douglas firing wildly and shooting Carl.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

And again, I respond that the escape was going to happen whether she was there or not. His potential hostage had already been left alone with him. He was working on her verbally before either Morgan or Carol got there. Carol gummed up his works by getting there first, but Morgan ruined that advantage by taking on Carol.

Carol didn't "instigate" shit. The wolf took advantage of Morgan's short-sightedness.

100% correct.

As said weeks ago, there was no value in taking any of the wolves as prisoners. None. They are murderers and other than that, either threaten or spew gibberish. Morgan accomplished absolutely nothing--except assaulting Carol for trying to defend ASZ for a completely justified reason.

His aversion to becoming a ruthless killer is understandable, but he's taken that philosophy to an extreme--just as Rick champions the opposite extreme. Neither will lead to ultimate safety, or a life worth living, so both must seek a middle ground.

Further, E8 makes him appear to be a hypocrite, because for all of his "all life is precious" statements, he had no problem picking living Carol up and dropping her to the floor with force (after she fell and hit her head earlier--which he witnessed), all to protect a murderer.

For his misguided effort, Denise is now a prisoner, Carol's condition is in question (which will create more internal conflict they do not need) and if wolf boy has his way, he will try to regroup with his people and plot round two.

Moreover, who would think it wise to leave frightened, non-fighter Denise in a room with a killer? Morgan set up and carried out this disaster, which would have ended it if he moved out of Carol's way.

 

[hux]

I'm saying a country with millions--endless walkers overrunning or constantly threatening the living will not miss a location in a state with a population of 8,326,289 (as of 2014) and 150,575 in Alexandria alone.

Think about that.

You only have a couple of believable options:

1. The majority of that 8+ million population did not leave the state. That just did not happen, so if the ZA is as widespread as the series suggests, then most of that population turned into walkers.

2. If they turned into walkers, why would they conveniently miss one town, when Alexandria---again, with a population of 150,575 is wide open and as of the premiere and 7th episode of season 6, is surrounded by legions of walkers on the nearby roads/quarry, etc.? The answer is that they would not miss it. The ASZ is not Stratos or Cloud City. It occupies the same, walker infested land as the rest of the nation.

That's nice... but you didn't actually answer the question so I'll just ask it again. Are you saying that everyone is experiencing the ZA in exactly the same way? The same level of threat, the same acces to guns, the same access to food, the same population of walkers and so on and so forth.

So, you think they will just so happen to be discovered--pretty much back to back by the Wolves (established) and Negan's group, but with two+ years of the ZA, ASZ just missed hundreds of thousands of walkers who have nothing but time and 24 hour mobility on their side?

This is exactly what is established in the show. They have only had the occasional walker to deal with (no major hordes) and they have not had to deal with any serious dangers from humans. Was that not the entire point of the arc? Are you watching a different show? I'm pretty sure that it is... the entire point of what's been going on in Alexandria since we got there.

If you can accept that implausible set up, then you can accept a skinny, rotted walker taking down living, stronger Dale, you can accept Glenn's dumpster escape, Andrea taking time to get misty talking to a quickly dying Milton, and just about everything else WD fans have complained about for years.

There's no question that a lot of dumb shit happens on the Walking Dead (and I regularly criticise the show when it inflict its dumbness upon us) but the idea that we can ignore the dumbness and pretend it's not actually happening because... that wouldn't make sense if it was a real zombie apocalypse, is equally as dumb.

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Tonight's episode: Very enjoyable and it's good to see the Wolves business coming to a head (and to think some people said capturing a Wolf wouldn't have any serious consequences). I actually interpret Carol's behaviour as a sign that she's regaining some of her humanity and Morgan has been instrumental in that. I think she recognises that she's hitting an emotional wall and might need help to get over it (probably Morgan's help).

I also enjoyed Gabriel telling Rick that he wouldn't run. Good for him and for what it's worth, I think Rick believed him. There's hope for him.

Both excited and worried about the coming introduction of Negan. Hopefully, it won't just be the governor with knobs on. That got boring very quickly and I'm not interest in more of the same. Fingers crossed.

I think it's funny that Carol is the reason wolf boy was able to escape. Oh the irony.

He was able to escape... because he wasn't instantly killed. But hey, at least they got lots of worthwhile information from him, right?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Oh! A walker herd! Here! Let me walk straight into them with the aiming accuracy of a stormtrooper! Oh noes! I've been bit!

Deanna's quick transformation into Angry Deanna was a necessary evil; we knew she was not going to last much longer, so the best way for her to exit the series was having her anger make her reckless. Her deathbed conversations made up for everything else.

Oh no! Walkers have broken through the fence! I better casually climb this rickety ladder at a leisurely pace onto this piece of plywood held up by a couple of 4x4s and attached to the very fence that just collapsed!

Come on. Maggie was scrambling on the ground and on the ladder. What did you expect--a standing Jedi leap from ground to platform?

Oh no! Walkers are invading our community! Carl, I'm going to kick your ass and let all these walkers in for taking my girlfriend! That'll show you!

Ron is motivated by anger, jealousy, misplaced rage, and suicidal tendencies. Why would anyone expect rational behavior out of him at all?