The Walking Dead Season 6 Discussion

[sojourner]

I think some of you should look into actual combat tactics. When you pull a gun you shoot to kill, not to wound. Shooting to wound in combat only happens in fiction. These people were in the middle of an attack on the place where they live. They have no idea how many hostiles there are and they have limited resources. They have no way of keeping their opponents under custody and taking time to question someone could allow another to come up from behind. Even if she had time to think about it, Carole made the right decision under the circumstances.

The scene in question deals with someone already tied up and subdued. Might want to have known that before commenting.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

She is flawed. She doesn't know how viruses worked and thought killing Karen and David(?) would stop the spread of Prison Swine Flu

Left untreated, everyone with the advanced stage (Karen, the doctor, et al.) died. Glenn was on his way out, and only saved first by preventing his aspirating on his own blood, then by the timely arrival of the medicine. What was the alternative? Hershel's tea--which did not work? Doing nothing? Why were the sick residents told to shut themselves in their cells? It was an acknowledgement that the "flu"--untreated--would kill, and you know the rest.

she killed a man this past week who potentially could have had information extracted from him

You have not demonstrated that at all--the man was babbling nonsense. There's not an ounce of evidence suggesting the man was coherent.

To her credit? Her raid on Terminus was cool

True. In-universe, there would be no ASZ storyline if not for Carol, as the rest (with the exception of Tyreese, Judith & Beth) would be steaming on a plate at Terminus.

They have no way of keeping their opponents under custody and taking time to question someone could allow another to come up from behind. Even if she had time to think about it, Carole made the right decision under the circumstances.

That's why Carol was quick to hand out pistols, then continue with the job. Morgan was wasting his time, which paints him in a bad light, since he had firsthand experience with the uncompromising, nonsensical Wolves.

 

[Trekker4747]

Left untreated, everyone with the advanced stage (Karen, the doctor, et al.) died. Glenn was on his way out, and only saved first by preventing his aspirating on his own blood, then by the timely arrival of the medicine. What was the alternative? Hershel's tea--which did not work? Doing nothing? Why were the sick residents told to shut themselves in their cells? It was an acknowledgement that the "flu"--untreated--would kill, and you know the rest.

You're right, they were going to die no matter what, clearly her only option was to kill them in some brutal manner, drag their bodies outside, set them on fire and then tell no one about it.

Or, you know, just let them die and then stab them in the head to prevent reanimation. She didn't kill them because they were suffering from the "flu" she killed them because she wanted to prevent them from spreading the illness to everyone else; showing a remarkable lack of grasp on how illness is spread.

If it was a true mercy kill because they were truly sick beyond recover why all of the cloak and dagger?

 

[sojourner]

she killed a man this past week who potentially could have had information extracted from him

You have not demonstrated that at all--the man was babbling nonsense. There's not an ounce of evidence suggesting the man was coherent.

And there won't be any evidence because someone killed him before we could get it. See how that works? If you kill off your source of information before you use it, it does no one any good.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

You're right, they were going to die no matter what, clearly her only option was to kill them in some brutal manner, drag their bodies outside, set them on fire and then tell no one about it.

So I guess letting them die in the throes of a disease, choking on their own blood is the kind thing to do. Again, why were the sick residents told to shut themselves in their cells? It was an acknowledgement that the "flu"--untreated--would kill, and you know the rest. Karen was breaking down, coughing and there was no treatment in place to help her.

If it was a true mercy kill because they were truly sick beyond recover why all of the cloak and dagger?

Because a certain "leader" was not up to accepting the reality of the disease, and would make assumptions based on emotion, rather than a practical need.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

And once again, without explaining why it doesn't help them, it's not really a useful answer.

It doesn't help them becomes their intention was never to go out into the woods to find bad guys. It still isn't. They already know that bad people are in the woods. Rick and co have been trying to explain that to the people of Alexandria and trying to make them understand that at some point, they will be coming.

They don't need information about them because going out into the woods to find bad people is dumb. The idea was always to let them come... and we will be ready for them and slaughter them as and when required.

I still see no reason for Rick and the group to go out looking for them. What for? What does it benefit them? The point is to make Alexandria invulnerable and to be able to swiftly and effectively see off any and all potential threats.

That's what Rick was trying to tell them. He never had any desire to go hunting crazies in the woods. His only desire was to be ruthless in despatching the crazies when they come to Alexandria.

Likewise, that's why Carol isn't interested in knowing who they are, where they are, what they want. She's interested in killing them... when they come.

Getting information from one is only useful if they intend to go looking for them. Again, why do that? Let them come. Just make sure that when they do... they are no threat to us in the slightest.

Deanna essentially gave Rick dictatorial powers after her husbands death but it was too late by then.

Sorry, but this is BS. Knowing how many enemies you might have at your walls, how soon, and with what kind of weapons can be HUGELY important information, EVEN if you have no intention of ever venturing outside.

You guys talk like 'getting ready to repel them' is this one size fits all obvious strategy which will work equally well in all situations, but that is not true. There are lots of different ways of preparing for an attack, and while it's almost always better to prepare in as many different ways as possible, information can be crucial when it allows you to prioritize your defensive preparations. Preparing to repel an army of 1000 poorly trained wolves armed with knives is not the same as preparing to repel an army of 50 well trained wolves with guns. And while you certainly can try to do both, there is no guarantee that you'll have the time. So good luck when you've spent all your time preparing for the one army and suddenly find yourself faced with the other.

As for the danger of confirming the information - sure, there's risk there. But it's still manageable risk. There are multiple people in the group who have the skills to pull off a recon in probable hostile territory, as long as they know to look out for traps.

And the claim that the wolves couldn't possibly provide useful information because they were 'obviously' insane is massively suspect as well - yes, they attacked without guns, but they did so at the single most opportune moment that has existed since Alexandria first appeared on the show. Maybe they got lucky, but tactically speaking that would be an absolutely terrible assumption to make.

 

[Trekker4747]

You're right, they were going to die no matter what, clearly her only option was to kill them in some brutal manner, drag their bodies outside, set them on fire and then tell no one about it.

So I guess letting them die in the throes of a disease, choking on their own blood is the kind thing to do. Again, why were the sick residents told to shut themselves in their cells? It was an acknowledgement that the "flu"--untreated--would kill, and you know the rest. Karen was breaking down, coughing and there was no treatment in place to help her.

There's a difference between killing someone out of mercy because they are suffering from a disease/about to die anyway and killing someone to try and prevent the disease from spreading and let's not fool ourselves, Carol was doing the latter.

In that situation, maybe, killing them was the more "humane" option. Maybe. But it'd also depends on how they were killed. which we don't know. We'll assume Carol killed them by stabbing them in the head or something which may be sufficient enough to kill someone instantly and painlessly. (I doubt it, but as suggested in the show it's enough.) But, again, Carol's motives weren't this pure. She was foolishly trying to prevent the spread of the disease by killing these two people, in isolation, after the disease had already likely been spreading around the prison for a few days.

Since they were in isolation they were no threat to spreading the disease, Carol increases that risk by exposing herself to them (covering your mouth with a do-rag isn't enough to prevent yourself from catching disease. Wearing a mask protects other people from *you* not the other way around.)

If it was a true mercy kill because they were truly sick beyond recover why all of the cloak and dagger?

Because a certain "leader" was not up to accepting the reality of the disease, and would make assumptions based on emotion, rather than a practical need.[/QUOTE]

Rick wasn't the leader at that point, "the council" was, which Carol was a member of. If she thought killing people was necessary in the final stages of the disease for mercy, or to prevent the spread when the sick were at a point of inevitability then she could have argued for the "mercy kill" at a meeting; or done it and explained her actions at an emergency session.

Unilaterally making decisions for everyone and acting on them without input from everyone else is what Rick realized was the wrong thing to do which is why he handed the keys over to the council.

Carol did what Rick would have done, made a sweeping decision for everyone without inside input.

Was it the right call? Maybe. It can be argued making these sweeping decisions is the better route instead of talking about them and discussing them at length considering the type of world they're now in. Rick was, arguably, wrong in stepping aside. But at that point it seemed they'd settled and were mostly safe so there was little call for a Ricktatorship and even now Rick more-or-less accepts other input when making decisions instead of his way or the highway.

But, Carol still made a decision to kill two innocent people who were of no threat to anyone. They were isolated in their cells away from the prison's general population, presumably containing the people who were sick with the "flu." But, logically, they had to know more people were sick because exposure to viruses isn't so easy. Killing Karen and David was pointless. Anyone who was sick or was going to get sick already were and the two people displaying the most severe symptoms were isolated. Mercy kill? Sure. But that's not why Carol did it and even she says as much. (In "The Grove" she says she did it to prevent the spread of the disease.)

Motivation matters more than outcome, in most places I could be dying of a severe illness, my death being imminent and foregone conclusion with no hope of recovery. If I ask you to kill me and you do it you're still going down for manslaughter or murder no matter to motivations or my requests.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

she killed a man this past week who potentially could have had information extracted from him

You have not demonstrated that at all--the man was babbling nonsense. There's not an ounce of evidence suggesting the man was coherent.

And there won't be any evidence because someone killed him before we could get it. See how that works? If you kill off your source of information before you use it, it does no one any good.

The wolf was babbling absolute nonsense, and that's not information they can use. Since that behavior has been indicative of all Wolves with anything to say up to this point, there should not be the expectation of anything different from the wolf Morgan caught.

Carol was correct in executing the killer.

 

[Trekker4747]

Psssssst. The characters don't know what we know!

And, no, there was no point. Just because it seems impossible doesn't mean it is and, frankly, Caol doesn't get to make that decision. The Wolf was tied up and no longer a threat. Knock him out, deal with the others, come back to him and try and extract information and THEN kill him. Why kill him without even trying?!

 

[hux]

Yep, all those reason worked so well for Rick at the prison when the governor camped out nearby before rolling up with a tank.

Aside from that being an entirely different conversation, it's irrelevant anyway as this was before Rick understood the real threat. The Governor was the catalyst for him understanding what the real threat was. People.

Secondly, sometimes you will simply be in a no win situation no matter what. Defend or attack, you're going to lose. Being prepared to stand your ground is the only sensible option. Going out to get the crazies before they come to you is madness. Being as ready as you can be to deal with them is smart. Sometimes though, you won't be able to deal with what comes. You just won't. No matter how much you plan or prepare.

But again, if that's true, then what does it matter? You couldn't do anything to stop it so being as prepared as you possibly could be wont help but it's still the only sensible move you have.

Sorry, but this is BS. Knowing how many enemies you might have at your walls, how soon, and with what kind of weapons can be HUGELY important information, EVEN if you have no intention of ever venturing outside.

Nonsense. Have you even been watching this show?

Everyone is enemy. Every single survivor out there... is an enemy. This is the whole point. Knowing where they are, who they are, how many there are etc is completely worthless. They're out there, they're coming. Going out to find them is madness. Even being prepared at Alexandria will result in deaths. There is no win here for the group, there is only your best possibility of survival.

People will die no matter what. Welcome to the zombie apocalypse. Carol knows that the world has changed and there is no happy ending... for any of them.

Knowing that there are 200 of them, three miles south of the gate. What does that knowledge do for them? They're going to have to deal with whatever comes. Five insane morons or five hundred well-armed geniuses. Makes absolutely NO DIFFERENCE!

Being as prepared as you can possibly be, is the only sensible option you have.

 

[theenglish]

I think some of you should look into actual combat tactics. When you pull a gun you shoot to kill, not to wound. Shooting to wound in combat only happens in fiction. These people were in the middle of an attack on the place where they live. They have no idea how many hostiles there are and they have limited resources. They have no way of keeping their opponents under custody and taking time to question someone could allow another to come up from behind. Even if she had time to think about it, Carole made the right decision under the circumstances.

The scene in question deals with someone already tied up and subdued. Might want to have known that before commenting.

OOOpss, sorry--missed that completely then. I'll go back to rewatch. No wonder people are having such an intense debate.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Yep, all those reason worked so well for Rick at the prison when the governor camped out nearby before rolling up with a tank.

Aside from that being an entirely different conversation, it's irrelevant anyway as this was before Rick understood the real threat. The Governor was the catalyst for him understanding what the real threat was. People.

Secondly, sometimes you will simply be in a no win situation no matter what. Defend or attack, you're going to lose. Being prepared to stand your ground is the only sensible option. Going out to get the crazies before they come to you is madness. Being as ready as you can be to deal with them is smart. Sometimes though, you won't be able to deal with what comes. You just won't. No matter how much you plan or prepare.

But again, if that's true, then what does it matter? You couldn't do anything to stop it so being as prepared as you possibly could be wont help but it's still the only sensible move you have.

Sorry, but this is BS. Knowing how many enemies you might have at your walls, how soon, and with what kind of weapons can be HUGELY important information, EVEN if you have no intention of ever venturing outside.

Nonsense. Have you even been watching this show?

Everyone is enemy. Every single survivor out there... is an enemy. This is the whole point. Knowing where they are, who they are, how many there are etc is completely worthless. They're out there, they're coming. Going out to find them is madness. Even being prepared at Alexandria will result in deaths. There is no win here for the group, there is only your best possibility of survival.

People will die no matter what. Welcome to the zombie apocalypse. Carol knows that the world has changed and there is no happy ending... for any of them.

Knowing that there are 200 of them, three miles south of the gate. What does that knowledge do for them? They're going to have to deal with whatever comes. Five insane morons or five hundred well-armed geniuses. Makes absolutely NO DIFFERENCE!

Being as prepared as you can possibly be, is the only sensible option you have.

Nope. Total nonsense.

Yes, everyone is an enemy.

No, not every enemy is the same.

Yes, you should always try to be prepared for as much as you possibly can be prepared for.

No, you should not just keep making the exact same basic preparations you always make when you know that a specific enemy is out there and you have a potential opportunity to find out specific information about that enemy.

If they got confirmed information that the wolves would attack by ramming large trucks through the walls, then it would be smart to place obstacles on the roads and try to reinforce the walls wherever possible, possibly concentrate on teaching easy, explosive weapons over pinpoint accuracy snipinng.

If they got confirmed information that the wolves would come in through the woods in small well trained groups with automatic weapons, the priority should be on placing lots of well camouflaged lookouts and training them all to be the best possible shots.

If the confirmed information said the wolves would attack from the trees with a 1000 knife wielders, they should concentrate on training everyone to shoot competently without anyone needing to be a crack shot and finding reasonable methods for taking out large crowds of people.

Yes, you always have to be prepared in that kind of world, but when a specific attack is obviously imminent, it is important to prepare for THAT attack, if you can. Information matters, even in the zombie apocalypse.

 

[hux]

If they got confirmed information that the wolves would attack by ramming large trucks through the walls, then it would be smart to place obstacles on the roads and try to reinforce the walls wherever possible, possibly concentrate on teaching easy, explosive weapons over pinpoint accuracy snipinng.

Seriously dude, what show have you been watching? All of that is stuff they should be doing anyway. Again, that's the whole point. Had they listened to Rick initially, they would have been more prepared but it still might not have mattered because sometimes you just won't be able to deal with what comes. You can only be ready for something.

If they got confirmed information that the wolves would come in through the woods in small well trained groups with automatic weapons, the priority should be on placing lots of well camouflaged lookouts and training them all to be the best possible shots.

Again, stuff that they should be doing anyway. That's. The. Point.

You're not getting it. They should be prepared for everything because they cannot know what to expect. The Wolves are just the first and once they're gone there will be another group to deal with. They can't know what the specific threat will be though. They just have to be aware that it's coming.

You can't cater for each threat. It's just not possible. Your only realistic option is to be as prepared as possible. Train people to shoot, fight, watch and be ready (fortify those flimsy walls for a start).

If the confirmed information said the wolves would attack from the trees with a 1000 knife wielders, they should concentrate on training everyone to shoot competently without anyone needing to be a crack shot and finding reasonable methods for taking out large crowds of people.

Train them how? It's to late to train them. That's the whole point! You cannot train them after its happened. You can only train them to be capable of dealing with the reality of what's out there as effectively as possible when it comes. If 200 of them come with guns, how can you train for that? You can't. If a thousand of them with machetes turn up, how do you train for that?

The idea that you train for specific attacks is ludicrous. Once the Wolves are dealt with, the next threat will be on its way. You can only train to be ready for something; not something specific. That's why knowing what they're going to do simply doesn't help you. Does knowing that they're coming from the west with 30 men change the fact that the residents are hopeless fighters, terrible shooters, Molly-coddled fools etc etc.

Step one was making the resident understand that... sooner or later, people would be coming. Doesn't matter where, how or why. It only matters that you understand... they are coming.

 

[Servo]

The wolf was babbling absolute nonsense, and that's not information they can use. Since that behavior has been indicative of all Wolves with anything to say up to this point, there should not be the expectation of anything different from the wolf Morgan caught.

Carol was correct in executing the killer.

The two Wolves that Morgan interacted with would seem to invalidate your point here. They were the same two that attacked him last season. The one with the long hair (credited as Alpha Wolf) didn't seem to be babbling, and the one that Morgan saw off at the gate seemed to be able to hold a conversation. The only suspect thing he said was when he told Morgan "we didn't choose this".

Then there's the randomers that Carol encountered - one of whom said "good catch" when she was leading Morgan in chains, and the other who asked where she got the gun, right before Carol popped her and her companion.

Even the one you refer to talked about freeing people from being trapped. As in trapped in the perception of maintaining civilisation, at a time when these people seem to be embracing their animalistic side.

Their tactics resemble a pack of animals. They revel in the slaughter and bloodlust, and they don't even try to rape anyone like your usual apocalyptic bad guy scavengers. They clearly feel that civilisation failed, and rather than try to rebuild it, they are going to devolve themselves and others back into the animals they feel humans should be.

I'll admit that some of them seemed crazy, but that's just due to our civilised way of looking at things. In terms of their world view that we are animals and should act like it, civilised considerations go out the window.

Anyway, your point that "babbling nonsense" is indicative of all the Wolves we've seen so far is plainly wrong.

 

[Squiggy]

The show producers, and I think this may have even been said in the show, have said the walkers are rotting, they just do it a lot more slowly than a "normal" corpse would. Probably due to the "zombie virus."

Over the course of the series the walkers have gotten more and more noticeably decayed looking.

Maybe...but some of them are so moist that when they run into a wall they splatter - under their own slow power. If they do that then their skeletons wouldn't be able to support their own weight.

 

[Kytee]

Interesting debate around Carol's actions regarding Morgan's prisoner , something I don't think I've seen mentioned is that her absolutely saved lives during the immediate attack. I agree with the folks saying this was not the time to try and take prisoners, the attack is ongoing, the prisoner is NOT secure/subdued/no-longer-a-threat. So long as his friend are actively attacking he could easily be freed and re-join the attack, the only way to counter act that risk would be to station a competent guard; our only available guard would have been Morgan.

Think about what Morgan did AFTER Carol shot that guy, he chased off the group of five, as well as confronted the Alpha wolf in the house. If he had been busy guarding the prisoner , he could not have done wither of those things.

Now, we could assume all six of those wolves were on the cusp of a change of heart, and even if Morgan had not stopped them, they would not have hurt anyone else; I think it's much more reasonable to assume had he not stopped them, more folks would have died and/or been captured.

I also think we got clear evidence in this episode that the characters are sharing important information with each other off screen. Father Gaberiel asked Carl if he (Carl) had heard what he(Father Gaberiel) had said about the group, to which Carl nodded.
With that in mind, I think it's safe to assume Carol knows about
- Morgan's encounter with the wolves,
- Noah's community with the 'Wolves Not Far' message and the zombie's with W's carved in their heads
- The Trap with the 'Wolves Not Far' message
- The zombies in the area with W's carved in their heads
- The lady tied to the tree and gutted with a W carved in her head.

The only Wolf related information we the audience saw that Carol could not know about was the killing of red poncho guy and resetting their trap.

One last thought I had, I am really not against gathering information, I just disagreed with the timing. For all the heat Carol is taking, I have not seen a single criticism of Morgan killing the last guy when he could have easily subdued him. That would have been a much better time to consider it, of course Morgan had no way of knowing this was the last attacker so I think he made the right call.

 

[Servo]

One last thought I had, I am really not against gathering information, I just disagreed with the timing. For all the heat Carol is taking, I have not seen a single criticism of Morgan killing the last guy when he could have easily subdued him. That would have been a much better time to consider it, of course Morgan had no way of knowing this was the last attacker so I think he made the right call.

I think that scene simply highlighted that Morgan realised that subduing the guy (and the Wolves in general) was not enough. They were vicious, and they would keep coming. There was no chance of reasoning with them because they don't act or think like civilised humans.

 

[Admiral2]

Preparing to repel an army of 1000 poorly trained wolves armed with knives is not the same as preparing to repel an army of 50 well trained wolves with guns.

Like hell it isn't. If you're behind a fortification (a wall), have the high ground (a tower) and guns of your own, the defense is exactly the same. Put people with guns on the wall-top and in the tower and walk the greatest volume of fire you can generate up the enemy's path of advance.

And while you certainly can try to do both, there is no guarantee that you'll have the time.

Especially if you waste it waiting for the bad guy to give up info.

So good luck when you've spent all your time preparing for the one army and suddenly find yourself faced with the other.

Again, it's the same prep for either invasion.

As for the danger of confirming the information - sure, there's risk there. But it's still manageable risk. There are multiple people in the group who have the skills to pull off a recon in probable hostile territory, as long as they know to look out for traps.

But while the skilled people are taking that risk they have to create a bigger risk leaving behind a town full of people who know jack shit about what they're doing. That is not the time for some half-assed OSS mission.

The people of the ASZ don't even have basic training in Walker World 101, and if you need them to participate in the town's defense you need that defense to be as basic as possible. The previous episode showed what happens when you devise a plan too complex for their tiny sheltered minds to follow. They panic, run and get killed. For a pure defense you don't need anything complex. Pass out the guns, get people as high up as possible and standby for the next attack. Need intelligence on which direction the bad guys will come from? You have a lookout tower. Finding out which direction the enemy is coming from is what they were made for! Get some people with half a brain and set up a proper watch!

Hooks is right. You intelligence wonks keep advocating this course of action just so the ASZ can make preparations they should have made friggin' ages ago. That is a huge waste of time and energy. That's not just closing the barn after the horse got free. That's like locking the barn after the horse is in the glue factory.

And what kills me this wouldn't even be a debate if Carol hadn't been the one doing the killing. Up thread someone said no one has commented on the lives Carol saved with her actions, but the whole problem is it was Carol. If it had been anyone else the fact that lives were saved wouldn't need to be addressed. It would be obvious. But no, it was evil heartless Carol, who torched two side characters and killed a little girl and wanted to give more children knives and killin' lessons. Evil Evil Carol!

Who by the way, just helped save an entire fucking town.

 

[sojourner]

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Sorry, but this is BS. Knowing how many enemies you might have at your walls, how soon, and with what kind of weapons can be HUGELY important information, EVEN if you have no intention of ever venturing outside.

Nonsense. Have you even been watching this show?

Good question.

People will die no matter what. Welcome to the zombie apocalypse. Carol knows that the world has changed and there is no happy ending... for any of them.

Knowing that there are 200 of them, three miles south of the gate. What does that knowledge do for them? They're going to have to deal with whatever comes. Five insane morons or five hundred well-armed geniuses. Makes absolutely NO DIFFERENCE!

Being as prepared as you can possibly be, is the only sensible option you have.

..and that is the priority--making the ASZ residents prepared--the very thing Rick, Carol and Carl all talked about since their arrival. ASZ needs to be as safe as possible before attempting some seek and destroy mission, which would be foolish in any case. Just ask the hardened, survivalist Governor about mounting raids on enemy strongholds....

I agree with the folks saying this was not the time to try and take prisoners, the attack is ongoing, the prisoner is NOT secure/subdued/no-longer-a-threat. So long as his friend are actively attacking he could easily be freed and re-join the attack,

Logical. I also addressed the time used to subdue a Wolf left Morgan open for attack. He was still trying to drive the world in his direction, only to see that repeatedly deflated throughout the episode.

Now, we could assume all six of those wolves were on the cusp of a change of heart, and even if Morgan had not stopped them, they would not have hurt anyone else; I think it's much more reasonable to assume had he not stopped them, more folks would have died and/or been captured.

Obviously.

I also think we got clear evidence in this episode that the characters are sharing important information with each other off screen. Father Gaberiel asked Carl if he (Carl) had heard what he(Father Gaberiel) had said about the group, to which Carl nodded.
With that in mind, I think it's safe to assume Carol knows about
- Morgan's encounter with the wolves,
- Noah's community with the 'Wolves Not Far' message and the zombie's with W's carved in their heads
- The Trap with the 'Wolves Not Far' message
- The zombies in the area with W's carved in their heads
- The lady tied to the tree and gutted with a W carved in her head.

The only Wolf related information we the audience saw that Carol could not know about was the killing of red poncho guy and resetting their trap.

Post of the thread. Some fans seem to think the wealth of experience & information obtained about the Wolves has no value, or--inexplicably--characters do not share this information. That is not a rational viewpoint, as we have witnessed characters sharing info about threats time after time through all seasons of the series.

One last thought I had, I am really not against gathering information, I just disagreed with the timing. For all the heat Carol is taking, I have not seen a single criticism of Morgan killing the last guy when he could have easily subdued him. That would have been a much better time to consider it, of course Morgan had no way of knowing this was the last attacker so I think he made the right call.

The reason why you will not, is due to a certain segment of the WD fans exhibiting an extreme level of hate for the Carol character, when she is surrounded by characters responsible for worse since season 1. She is one of the few characters not pulled by the nose, whether it is lust, paranoia or bad decision making pulling the nose.