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The Walking Dead City season 3

The ending of The Ones Who Live literally shows helicopters being deployed across the US on humanitarian missions. Since the current season of Dead City does in fact take place after TOWL, it'll be very odd indeed if the CRM doesn't take notice of a lit up Statue of Liberty.
I will have to rewatch it... but wondering how extensive they really were...and at least at the time of TWOL, The Dama was in strict control with the Croat as the superficially threat to everyone. So that was probably deemed off limits....and then with New Babylon, that might be off limits (they seemed to have a fairly aggressive military).

Scott Gimple was named Chief Creative Officer for the walking dead, but it seems like instead of Kevin Feige, he is more like Geoff Johns with the DC FIlm Universe -- title given, but ignored when it comes to connecting with the individual projects. SHoot they could have hired a few fans for minimum wage and some old props who could give them some good continuity to work within, and make it all make sense.



And for this season.... i feel they REALLY wasted the Croat. His story would have been interesting to TRULY finish. A guy who turns out was really smart and useful that Negan banished, but has self-esteem issues (with the Dama).... claims Negan as a mentor..... this could have been Negan's chance to forgive, and re-focus The Croat so he finally stands up to the Dama and becomes an actual good leader.

They also missed the opportunity with Negan...where he should have used his Savior technique to manipulate them and take control just long enough to collapse it.

ANd wil lthey actually follow up with the Dama probably brainwashing Herschel? Or will this get dropped?


One last thing...i am glad they actually acknowledge Annie & Joshua but having Negan say they are better off without him seems like a cop-out to keep them out of the picture. It's really dumb, and feels like they are trying to re-set everything to make an excuse for this 3rd season.

And if i heard this correctly...

If Beth is coming back as a halluncination for Maggie... I mean OK...but it would be waaaaay or epowerful if GLENN showed up...especially since he "promised" that "I will find you"....and THAT would be powerful because of the Negan connection, and how THAT could play out. But unless we get a huge surprise....the Beth one will seem quite lame in comparison.
 
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The Walking Dead: Dead City
Season 3 - Episode 3 - ”Emigrants”

MAGGIE / NEGAN:
I'm sure some TWD fans are wondering how Maggie can be so cooperative with the man who murdered her husband, or they're probably a bit pissed off that she's not planning to kill Negan at some later date. Theirs is an interesting dynamic now that the revenge angle has been tossed aside, but one has to wonder about Hershel, who at more than one time wanted to kill Negan, and now he—like his mother—appears to have moved past revenge.

HERSHEL: Last time on Rhee's Anatomy...yeah, for most of the episode, we were presented with the emergency medical crisis in the ZA, and who is capable of stepping up when one medical disaster piles on top of another. I thought this sequence was interesting, and Hershel taking to medicine with enthusiasm was a welcome change from his murderous, manipulated behavior of the past two seasons. To this end, I hope this is not all misdirection from Hershel having some ulterior motive for Magie or Negan, acting as the Dama's legacy pawn.

Speaking of the Dama, I was surprised Maggie believed the Dama committed suicide with the knife buried in her chest at such an impractical position for anyone wanting to kill themselves with ease...

NEGAN AND DILLARD: Negan is going out of his way to normalize Mason Dillard—to bring him back from Dillard's self-described psychosis regarding seeing Walkers as “people” he can “hear”. Despite Negan's best efforts—including populating the bar with real people—Dillard is unwell to say the least, as we see he has a female Walker chained to a wall in his room, a Walker he imagines not only speaks to him, but expresses jealousy like a girlfriend. The implication of necrophilia was quite clear (and stomach turning), and one can forecast that Dillard will snap beyond any attempt to council him if this female Walker is discovered and killed. For all anyone knows, Dillard might kill a woman to replace the Walker. The only question is which woman will be the victim in the event this happens...Maggie? Renata?

NOTES:

Almost more than any other fantasy series, The Walking Dead's attempts at political commentary of the day are about as subtle as an elephant giving birth to a rocket-powered piano. The overall message was obviously about the value of immigrants, shared resources and various, supposedly irrational fears of a sudden mass wave of people from a conflict-ravaged land. Although the leaders of this TWD-styled Hatfield / McCoy feud were killed, the tensions between the surviving faction members have not really cooled.

Yes, we had a flashback to The Walking Dead episode ”Internment” (S4 / E5) where Hershel taught Maggie how to properly use the bag valve mask. This is just the first of major Green callbacks that will appear this season.

Maggie mentioned New Babylon had been run off (or something to that effect), but we know they will return, not only for control of the methane tank technology, but to capture the series leads, as seen in their “wanted” poster in the season premiere.

GRADE: B.
 
The Walking Dead: Dead City
Season 3 - Episode 4 -”Found / Lost”

MAGGIE / LUIS I: With the most vital of hospital medical supplies down to nothing (or near it), and against Renata's concerns, Maggie takes Luis on a long road trip to meet the mysterious woman known as The Trader, and yes, her name is her vocation. Along the way, Maggie and Luis get to know each other, trading life stories, including Luis recalling how he lost his wife (Marisol) shortly after the ZA outbreak, and coming to grips with the reality that he's never see her again. Maggie is not as forthcoming with her more personal memories, but she shares enough to intrigue Luis.

The duo arrive at the overstocked outpost/house of The Trader, a Black woman who eyes the pair suspiciously, like someone who expects things to go south more often than not. The duo offer a trade for medical supplies, and in return, Maggie presents the plans for methane power. The Trader is very interested but warns that such technology could be dangerous in the wrong hands (another hint or tease?). In exchange for a potential trade, The Trader says she will vet the methane plans with a man who used to work on rockets (SEE NOTES); all Maggie &Luis need to do is let her use the van while they stay at her outpost overnight...

NEGAN AND RENATA I: Renata offers Negan the last unoccupied apartment in her building; she explains that he's been a great help to their group, but she accuses Negan of murdering The Dama, since it does not follow that a woman who ended her hunger strike—showing a desire to live—would stab herself to death. Negan initially turns down the offer, thinking Renata's generosity is merely so she can keep an eye on him, or punish him for killing The Dama. Renata adds that she believes Negan's resistance is born from fear of getting too close to people, only to lose them, or perhaps he cannot rust himself in the environment she's offering.

MAGGIE / LUIS II: Having no choice other than trusting The Trader, Maggie and Luis settle down in The Trader's shop, Maggie sharpening the edge ofa broom handle, fashioning it into a weapon.

On the topic of starting over, Luis would like to be ”someone who appreciates what he has...someone who matters to someone...” (GEE, THAT WAS NOT A SUBTLE HINT OF ANY KIND). For Maggie, now that keeping Hershelsafe is no longer necessary, she does not know what she would do tostart over.

That evening, the duo approached by an elderly man named Gerald, who sought to trade roasted apples—Traders favorite—for something.

The man says he's from a community of 62 Presbyterians located on what was once the family camp for church. Maggie argues that “every” so-called Christian group she's come across was more cult than church. To test his stated beliefs, she asks him to finish a scriptural passage from the Book of Matthew (Chapter 7, verse 17's ”By their fruits you will know them..”) and First Corinthians (Chapter 13, verse13's ”And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.”

Although Maggie's doubts are somewhat put at ease from Gerald's obvious knowledge of scripture, she's still cautious, but agrees to visit Gerald's camp.

MAGGIE / LUIS III: Heading deeper into the woods on foot, Gerald leads Maggieand Luis to a large camp clearing, where the man briefly explains how his people live, secure themselves from Walkers. Maggie offers the methane technology for free, but Gerald is not so sure its a good thing, as he comments on he old things—TV, phones, radios are justnoise--places to hide. By letting go of the old world, Gerald and his people discovered connection--who they wanted to be. Gerald refuses Maggie's offer but invites the duo to a celebration to be held that evening.

MAGGIE / LUIS IV: That night, Gerald's people lay out an impressive, naturalistic setting for the celebration, and as the residents partake in dancing, food and general goodwill, Maggie and Luis are prodded into drinking some homemade alcohol, then dancing with each other. Maggie is close to kissing Luis, but it seemed to be herthinking[] about it, as the shot jump cuts to her pulling back, as if waking up from a dream. Not understanding Maggie's behavior, he does not press the matter and joins her on the walk back to The Trader's outpost.

The following morning, Luis thanks Maggie for making him comfortable enough to talk about his late wife, while she caresses the wedding ring hanging on her necklace. The Trader returns with a massive supply of medical goods, but she's not as grateful as one would imagine, repeating her belief of ”Self protection in the end. Always” (SEENOTES).

DISASTER: In the alley which intersects with the pantry building and another structure, an earthquake causes the ground beneath a cage filled with Walkers to shift, eventually dumping the creatures all around Maggie, Negan, Hershel, Luis, Dillard and Renata. Seeing the ground beneath the pantry crumbling away, Renata leads Hershel and Dillard into the room to collect as much food as possible before the roof caves in. Outside, Maggie, Negan and Luis fight for their lives against the Walkers, but of the three, Maggie is nearly overwhelmed, as her wedding ring necklace is torn from her neck—the ring rolling away as she desperately tries to grab it. Negan rescues Maggie as she agonizingly watches the ring drop into the expanding sinkhole (which reveals a wrecked subway train). Both parties stand on the edges of the sinkhole, realizing how desperate their situation has become, now that they do not have enough food to feed all of the new refugees...

NOTES:

Once again, we were treated to another flashback from The Walking Dead , this time, the episode when Glenn declared his love for Maggie and gave her the wedding ring. Itspretty obvious that the showrunners are employing so many callbacks to the parent series, all for building nostalgic feelings for parts of Maggie's life that no longer exist, but the payoff for the lookback is on the horizon.

The scene that was a bit too on the nose was Maggie's loss of her wedding ring; earlier in the episode, she caressed it, using it not only as her connection to Glenn, but a physical symbol of why she believes she must be “the widow” for the rest of her days. Now that the ring has been lost, this kind of character trope usually leads to a person no longer feeling “chained" to the past, thus Maggie has no reason to reject the romantic overtures from Luis.

How a Maggie/Luis relationship will fly with Hershel (considering his longstanding trauma over his father's murder) is another matter...

Dillard mentioned that he has not received a compliment from a woman lately. Since he was flattered, I wonder if he will return to his apartment and find himself chastised by his chained Walker-woman for turning his attention to Renata. If Dillard is too far gone, it is possible he might attempt to replace the Walker-woman with Renata...only in a way that he can relate to a woman...

...that, or if he believes his good 'ol buddy Negan is flirting with Renata, will that lead to violence...betrayal...anything?

The Trader's oft-spoken Self-protection in the end. Always” line felt like a warning of things to come—perhaps hinting that whatever Maggie's group has, in the end, altruism will fall by the wayside as true survival instincts force one to do whatever is necessary, usually something violent. A character can be cryptic without forecasting some sort of betrayal or attack. I hope that's the case with the Trader.

With so few Walker threats in the episode, it provided the space for interesting character development so this week's episode earns...

GRADE: B.
 
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It really feels like a super generic statement to make it seem like Walking Dead is still alive, rather than they have reached the end off the line.

I mean, how big a viewership is AmC+, REALLY? Between that and actual TV viewership, it' s a shadow of its heyday, if that.

It's almost sounding like the folks at Harmony Gold when they keep saying "the best is yet to cone" for Robitech, when it's really been nothing for 20+ years.

They are just squeezing theblast life out of the Walking Dead at this point

With the mixed time lines of the latest 3 projects, and no true villain/issue on the horizon... what do we really have?

P.s. I avoided this thread for a week because I wanted to avoid spoilers since I didn't see the latest episode. I guess I was worried for nothing
 
The Walking Dead: Dead City
Season 3 - Episode 5 - ”Imperialis”


Episode five (with only three left in the season) has finally set up the big season conflicts firing off in every direction:

1. Negan believes Maggie should lead the island group instead of Renata, and has not been shy letting Maggie know that.

2. Fabian believed Maggie was utterly wrong in convincing the Bricks community to move to the island, and was essentially blaming her for his own theft of the rations. If he represents wider dissension among the immigrants, a war can easily grow from that number.

3. With Negan siding with Maggie by killing Fabian, one might expect the immigrants to make an attempt on Negans life.

4. Ahh, but Negans troubles do not end there, since the bullet that killed Fabian also put down Dillard's main male Walker. Dillard is undeniably delusional regarding Walkers, and now that Renata—the object of his unrequited love—is openly trying to imprison Negan, the odds are—at present—strong in favor of Dillard seeking revenge against Negan (who always criticized Dillard's fantasy “communication” and “relationship” with Walkers), which would conveniently have him siding with the aforementioned unrequited love, AKA Renata.

5. Negan referred to The Croat's disparaging statements about Renata, letting the woman know he sees her leadership coming to an end. Up to this point In the season, Renata has tried to lean on the side of “fair play law and order” despite calls to adopt a more mercenary apprach to leadership. Now that Negan has flat out refused to be arrested, challenging her threat to bring an armed group to apprehend him, I wonder if she will think one dark moment (i.e., killing Negan) will be justifiable.

6. Then, there's Maggie: in her drunken state, she appeared to accept Negan despite their past, and she now knows he feels she should lead the island group, having little to no respect for Renata as a leader. With her once mortal enemy now her biggest advocate, and on the other side, Renata feeling her tentative “bestie” Maggie always deferring leadership responsibilities outright to Renata, this places Maggie on a tightrope of decisions that will decide the fate of the islanders—probably in a series of events that will end season three, leaving the main characters in a far worse position than ever before.

7. ...and once Perlie (and New Babylon's soldiers) returns, will he side with Maggie, or whoever has official control over the methane technology?

8. The Luis factor: Luis still mourns his dead wife, but has developed feelings for Maggie, and has genuinely bonded with his “intern” Hershel. If Maggie defends Negan against Renata, one has to imagine that such a decision will not only cause a rift between Luis and Maggie, but it may push Hershel to the boiling point, as he appears to have let go of his hatred of Negan, but I doubt he would tolerate his mother siding with the man / causing a mini-civil war with the siblings.

NEXT EPISODE: Maggie visits the New York of the Pre-ZA Old World...along with her long-dead sister Beth. Dream sequence? Hallucination? Near death or dying experience? Who knows, but the highly anticipated guest appearance of the season should be fascinating, if nothing else.

GRADE: B.
 
Sheesh --- this season feels like the season 5 of both Earth FInal Conflict and Andromeda -- dumping the previous seasons set-up for a disappointing end to the series.

Great that they recalled Herschel's artisitic abilites, but seemingly set-up of the Dama mind-manipulating him, where he could turn against Maggie, seems to have been dumped completely. Which is a shame -- that was an intriguing plotline that was wasted.

And for that matter -- I thought New York was solidly ruled by the Croat and the Dama....i find it hard to believe that such an empire completely went away.

the plot line for this episode felt like it would have been a season4-6 arc for The Walking Dead. AT that point, sure there are struggling communities looking for hope.

But at THIS stage of the apocalypse.... if people haven't settled down in ac ommunity and started mass farming.... how would they survive? Other than maybe the Bricks.... that just seems unlikely.

What do we know about the Bricks community, again? Seems weird that one of them would betray Maggie like that with the food. ANd i would have thought Renata would have talked to Maggie first. MAGGIE should have confronted him.



And this ridiculousness with Negan.... what excuse does he have to NOT go back to ANnie & Joshua? I apprecate that had been mentioned this season... but this is ridiculous. This has NOT been a real character arc for Negan. They wasted him with season 1-2 .... he should have "pretended" to be the Old Negan, and used that to take control of Dama's empire, and then collapse it from within.

And shoot.... the old Negan, when he could kill people, would at least have it be a lesson for others to see (and usually with showmanship), so no one would cross him again in that manner.


This was just kill him to kill hm. Poor writing , and seemingly not studied the character at all.

I am just finishing the show, just to finish it.

The Walking Dead, is just slunking by, and definitely Dead
 
Great that they recalled Herschel's artisitic abilites, but seemingly set-up of the Dama mind-manipulating him, where he could turn against Maggie, seems to have been dumped completely. Which is a shame -- that was an intriguing plotline that was wasted.

The jury may still be out on Hershel's motives. Perhaps his loyalties will be tested if Maggie comes to Negan's defense, or a that point, he acts on The Dama's season 2 orders.

And for that matter -- I thought New York was solidly ruled by the Croat and the Dama....i find it hard to believe that such an empire completely went away.

The fall of The Dama and The Croat's reign over their few blocks of New York is pretty consistent with nearly every community / organization in the TV Walking Dead's history. Only the Commonwealth really survived, and that's only with a hostile takeover. Even the fiefdoms of the Daryl Dixon series have either fallen, or were reduced to shells of their former structural stability.

What do we know about the Bricks community, again? Seems weird that one of them would betray Maggie like that with the food. ANd i would have thought Renata would have talked to Maggie first. MAGGIE should have confronted him.

We've seen food theft during a crisis before--at Alexandria, where residents once panicked and started grabbing anything for themselves. With Fabian in New York--where the planting is still a long way from harvesting, and he has a family to support--its not out of character for someone in his position to turn to paranoia-induced theft.

And this ridiculousness with Negan.... what excuse does he have to NOT go back to ANnie & Joshua?

...well, he's once half of the series, so he's grounded, despite in-universe he does not have an excuse to leave to find them.
 
The Walking Dead: Dead City
Season 3 - Episode 6 - ”Genesis”


The purpose of E6 was all too clear (more on that in a few), but it seemed to serve another purpose not necessarily related to in-universe matters (SEE NOTES):

ALT-MAGGIE: Somewhere in an alternate universe where the dead never walked, Maggie is New York during the Christmas season to visit her sister, Beth, who works two jobs to survive, but is more than happy with her life of pursuing her music career, rather than still living in Georgia—like her older sister. Although Maggie is happy to see her sister, she's dealing with leasing issues with the family's farm property, now in her control now that their father has passed on. Maggie flip lops on whether to sell the property outright and move on—presumably somewhere near her sister—or attempt to honor her family's 150-year old legacy by holding on to the land. (SEE NOTES).

ALT-NEGAN: Maggie meets a stranger named Negan, a car dealership salesman / former high school coach. Instantly, he tries to read the various issues Maggie's having with life, including a bad relationship with an ex-husband trying to beg his way back into her life. Negan makes it his mission / pleasure to escort Maggie around town, all the while attempting to coax her into being true to herself..Negan reveals a few things abut himself, such as having a child with a 2nd wife, and his belief that they're better off without him.

Eventually, Negan begins to behave like the regular universe version when its revealed he spent time in prison for assaulting a pedophile who once led a teenage girl to commit suicide, while the man faced no legal consequences. Unable to control his impulses, Negan's offer to take Maggie to an expensive restaurant turned out to be part of his continued stalking of the pedophile. Maggie has to talk Negan out of shooting the man, moreover, she convinces him to connect with his young son.

ALT-MAGGIE: After counseling Negan, Maggie--inspired to be true to herself--tells Beth she's changed her mind, opting to hold on to the farm. In the lobby of Beth's apartment, a doctor named Luis is leaving for his job, with Beth teasing the single Maggie about the man.

ALT-NEGAN: Negan not only calls his son, but invites the boy to spend time with him; all seems like Negan has—thanks to Maggie—has turned over a new leaf, until he spots the pedophile up his usual disgusting behavior by insincerely apologizing to a woman for some ill act he committed against her. Unable to contain his rage, Negan draws his gun, shooting the man to death.

NOTES: Sort of a ho-hum episode, for all of the months of hype about the Very Special Guest Appearance. The true purpose of the episode was not to show how Maggie & Negan would've been friends in another reality, but to tease their potential life-altering decisions in the main universe, specifically, that Negan resorts to deadly force to “protect” someone he cares about—consequences be damned, while Maggie talks herself out of abandoning the home she's built. You might be able to guess where this is all going with only two episodes left in the season.

While the return of Beth was a welcome guest appearance, she was very underutilized in the episode, serving more as a minor thought backboard for Maggie to bounce ideas off of. I'm sure the showrunners did not intend ALT-Beth to play on the life and fate of her “real” counterpart, as that would've been far too expected, and digging up the fan-service-y nostalgia grave just to ask viewers to “remember when”.

I perceived the episode's other purpose was to give the series leads something else to chew on—to show off their known acting abilities with characters sort of different than their usual roles before the season (or series) concludes. If that was one of the motivating drives behind this episode, it was not as creatively profitable as they expected since the point of the episode was to hold up a mirror of alternates, yet said alternates were not too removed from the main versions.


NEXT EPISODE: Hershel breathlessly tells his mother Negan not only killed Fabian, but sliced Dillard's face open. As predicted in the E5 review, Dillard probably suffers one of his loony freak-outs about Negan killing” his favorite male Walker and turns on his only real friend. That, or Dillard stands with Renata, all to “man-up” to impress/move closer to the woman.

GRADE: C-.
 
I perceived the episode's other purpose was to give the series leads something else to chew on—to show off their known acting abilities with characters sort of different than their usual roles before the season (or series) concludes.
I figured it was borne out of Lauren Cohan and JDM actually being really good friends in the real world, and giving them the chance to act together without all the background antagonism and history that exists between their characters in the regular Walking Dead setting, which will always be there even when they're kinda/sorta allies working towards a mutual goal like they have been this season.
 
The Walking Dead: Dead City
Season 3 - Episode 7 - ”Hourglass”


I'll start by writing that ”Hourglass” is the best episode of the past two seasons of Dead City, with the exception of S2's finale. While I predicted Dillard's reaction and other things about the man, the way it was executed still managed to carry tension and weight for all involved.

NEGAN and DILLARD I: Picking up where the previous episode concluded, Negan stands grimly at the bar, contemplating his fate after killing the treacherous Fabian...and the accidental shooting of Dillard's male Walker. Soon, Dillard returns, shocked by the bloody sight in the floor. Negan's behavior goes from tense warning to threats for Dillard to leave, despite the latter's repeated offer to stand by Negan...until Dillard discovers the male Walker. Having enough of Dillard's lunacy, Negan shoots the female Walker in the head; twisted as ever, Dillard whines his way from sanity to murderous rage as he threatens to kill Ngan with a knife, but ultimately he backs down, leaving the bar. Outside, Dillard stares off—his mind quickly settling on a plan, beginning with cutting his own face from forehead to nose....

MAGGIE and RENATA: At the hospital, Maggie sees Luis suture Dillard's wound but cannot help thinking something about Dillard's account does not add up; Renata—as expected—is so determined to arrest Negan—or kill him that she's lies, trying to pile up the threat Negan poses by revealing his murder of The Dama. When this ploy does not work, the irrational Renata questions why Maggie defends Negan (or refusing to see the "truth”), but Maggie finally lays it all out: Negan has repeatedly earned her trust.

Unrelenting, Renata plans to assemble the “Dozen” (a group of would-be distinctive ad violent oddballs introduced a few episodes ago) to aid in the arrest—or execution of Negan. Despite Luis' orders to contrary, Dillard elects himself part of the arresting party, using his status as a former policeman and knowing men like Negan as his ticket to join Renata.

MAGGIE and NEGAN I: Maggie enters the bar, learns he truth about Fabian and The Dama (meaning both wanted to kill her), and Dillard's lie about being attacked by Negan. Although Negan admits that he trusts Maggie—an no one else--and how he will die before he allows anyone to lock him up again. Maggie promises he would be confined to an apartment—not a jail. Outside, Renata, Dillard, the “Dozen”, Luis and Hershel all stand staring at the bar's doors, watching the clock run down to the 12 noon deadline.

MAGGIE and NEGAN II: Maggie tries to spike Negan's drink with a drug (provided by Luis) in an attempt to arrest him without incident, but Negan guesses what she was up to, adding that he smarter than she is, generating a mildly insulted look on Maggie's face. Maggie decides to help Negan escape. The pair rapidly toss around possible escape plans, but none are workable...

DILLARD I: Renata is Hell-bent onrushing the bar to kill Negan, but Luis has to remind her that Negan—despite his past with The Croat is not The Croat; in fact, it was Negan who originally banished The Croat from The Saviors for being a psychopath. He continues, successfully using her own stated beliefs against her current, desperate mindset. Coming to her senses, Renata calls out to Negan, promising him the chance to “grow up” / a chance, rather than face some punitive action. Dillard—feverish with a desire to murder Negan—opposes Renata, announcing himself as the leader. Renata tries to shut down this power grab, only for Dillard to calmly shoot the woman in the heart, killing her instantly. Before he can react, Luis is struck in the head, rendering him unconscious.

MAGGIE and NEGAN III: Horrified by Renata's murder, Maggie & Negan exchange gunfire with Dillard and the Dozen while Hershel slips away. After setting a couple of Dillard's people on fire with Molotov cocktails, Maggie and Negan race upstairs to hide themselves under tarps in the Walker compost while Dillard and his team search the entire building, coming up empty handed. Maggie & Negan make their way to the fire escape but have no way down to the street; at that moment, a van driven by Hershel pulls up, allowing the pair to jump on the roof as the van speeds away, barely avoiding being shot by the Dozen. Dillard dons his police cap and jacket as some warped cosplay at being the new leader.

DILLARD II: Dillard covers the body of his male Walker with a sheet then carefully does the same to the female Walker, caressing its head while doing so. Opening up a case, he takes stock of a number of dental extraction tools splattered with dried blood. He will need the tools to make a recent replacement safe for his needs...

FINALE: Dillard the surviving Dozen gather the residents to inform them of the new order, laced with the threat of death. Using his police car's PA system, Dillard calls out to the escapees, threatening to hurt certain people unless Maggie turns Negan over to him.

NOTES: Excellent performances all around. Dillard becomes the new Big Bad in this episode, and as I predicted a few reviews back, he is most assuredly going to explore his necrophilia with the corpse of Renata, hence the reason he handcuffed her to a car, instead of putting her down before she reanimates. His willingness to murder the woman he was obsessed with confirmed he is such a deviant personality that he'd prefer to have a “relationship” with a walking corpse than a living woman. This sickening, sad series of events has the potential to sink to darker levels, which could play out in the season finale.

Negan asks Maggie if he's going to Hell, to which she replies in the affirmative in a semi-joking manner, and Negan simply resigns himself to the opinion, as he—despite all of the redemptive actions he's taken since arriving on the island—is not trying to be redeemed. In fact, he appears ready to die—just not at the hands of anyone else.

NEXT EPISODE: The season three finale. Dillard threatens the life of Luis as bait to lure Maggie, Herhsel and Negan back to what is surely a death trap. With the “heroes” only numbering three—and either close to or out of ammunition, the trio will need nothing short of a miracle to save their lives. The only ally they have left is Perlie, and his story dropped off the moment he bid farewell to Maggie. It would be great if he returned, but as I mentioned a few reviews ago, has he remained loyal to Maggie, or simply placed New Babylon's interests above those of his friend?

GRADE: A.
 
This season is just soooo pathetic, and sad end to this series.


They dumped a potentially powerful arc of the Dama manipulating Herschel into her disciple. That has basically disappeared. It owuld have been a way to have Herschel become a villain like in the comics...i wouldn't have minded a redemption ofthat.... but his "journey" seems so random.

The Croat would have been a far better villain for this season...He could have rebelled against the Dama, and either self-destruct like Dillard, or ALSO get redeemed...where Neganrecognizes his genous,but focuses him a better path.

They mention Annie and Joshua, and even had a glimpse of them.... would the changed man of the Walking Dead REALLY have given up on them at THIS point?

They really blew it with Negan "going back to his Old Ways"...it should have been his path to temptation when the Dama recruited him. He could have done his "kill one to be an example to the rest" at a big meeting, and then have him teeter on going back to that...but they just dead the head bashing out of NEGAN's usual context.

they referenced many of these things this season, but it's like they did just to appease longtime fans, so they know we haven't forgotten about the past. But they just put in there for fans who actually paid attention, but felt very token.

Maybe a step above Earth FInal COnflict and Aondromeda's finals seasons or more so War of the Worlds (80's version) season 2. But still ridiculous....it seems like they had this show as planned at as the seuel trology was.

I give this a C... though I supposed I MIGHT be pursueaded for a B-....
 
This season is just soooo pathetic, and sad end to this series.

End? I believed there was one more season of Dead City to air, wrapping it in 4 like Daryl Dixon will in 2027?

They dumped a potentially powerful arc of the Dama manipulating Herschel into her disciple. That has basically disappeared. It owuld have been a way to have Herschel become a villain like in the comics...i wouldn't have minded a redemption ofthat.... but his "journey" seems so random.

I too thought Hershel was going to be a ticking time-bomb / betrayer of his mother, but I found the character irritating in this role (IOW, not irritating as a good villain, such as The Governor, for example). His getting over--or appearing to get over--Negan being the man who robbed him of knowing his own father does ring like an oversight, or perhaps the showrunners are simply holding Hershel's revenge back until the final season, where he kills the quite miserable Negan. It might be an unpopular story concept, but it would be a fitting one, as Negan is without a larger moral purpose, to the point that he believes he's "just here" and no good for Annie and Joshua, so his point in living is...?

But still ridiculous....it seems like they had this show as planned at as the seuel trology was.

Nothing is as creatively bankrupt and mishandled as the Sequel Trilogy.
 
Well it was a definitley a showdown, but the overall series is pathetic in how New York's population was decimated, and "new" leaders once again get decimated. REnata should have survived instead of finally being ended as a Walker.

They also wasted good opportunities with the Dama (and Herschel), but especially the Croat. They could have turned the Croat from a villain/underling to a bona fide leader that would be a core reason of the revivial of New York.


And a personal disppointment for me -- not recreating the scene where Jeffrey Dean Morgan and Lauren COhan were Thomas and Martha Wayne, going down a dark alley in a Gotham-like city.

Also interesting that there's still no other real connection to the greater Walking Dead world. Beth was a dream/fantasy.But especially in the finale.... Maggie apparently had no lasting relationships from the Walking Dead era?

But the finale itself -- this felt so low stakes compared to previous seasons. Dillard goes from isolated loser to leader of a bunch of fighters? Yeah, OK...seems pretty sudden. I mean, Dillard's turn makes "sense", but not that survivors of over a decade are so weak willed that they follow a crazy guy?

A detail i noitced was Luis calling them "Walkers".... that's a term from the TWD crew. SInce when did the New York groups start using that term. It would have been more "multiculutral" to have different terms bandied about, especially from Luis.

And the very last scene, "I've got something for you", and fade to black. Obviously aching for a 4th season, but vague enough that should they cancel the show, they still had an ending. Does not get me excited for what's next, and signals to me they have no idea what to do next, and a fourth season will feel way more forced than even the third. (Like a 5th season of Andromeda or Earth FInal Conflict)

As far as i know there has been no news for a Dead City 4th season...but the only thing that they really should have is Negan being reunited with Annie & Joshua. That too has been a big disappointment. Maggie knows how important family is. WHy would she have Negan throw that away?

My grade C.+ for finale (it wa s"passing" but also the season. My wife dropped out of the show the first episodes of season 1...i doubt i will return, IF it comes back.
 
Sorry for the double post...but weird that not even @TREK_GOD_1 has commented on the finale.... and thoughts of the season? i wonder if they are still deciding whther or not to kill the series...and maybe waiting for how Darryl Dixon does before they say.

But i feel like they stretched this out way farther than needed.
 
This last season has been so boring. Once they killed off the Dama and the Croat it just has been a slog with no real point to it except Maggie becoming the ruler of the City.

Has she just forgotten about all her other friends back at the Bricks?
 
This last season has been so boring. Once they killed off the Dama and the Croat it just has been a slog with no real point to it except Maggie becoming the ruler of the City.

Has she just forgotten about all her other friends back at the Bricks?
From what i thought i heard in the dialogue, the people from the Bricks came to NY...but apparently she doesn't have the relatioships like she did with Rick and the gang.

it's like the writers threw in a few references of their most recent past, but pretty much put them aside for their "new drama"
 
The Walking Dead: Dead City
Season 3 Finale- Episode 8 - ”Tenebrae”


After the penultimate episode (”Hourglass”) that was strong with overall performances and impact, ”Tenebrae” fell short of being even a mid-level audience-pleaser supposedly designed to draw views back for a fourth season of The Walking Dead: Dead City.

The “we-have-to-sew-up-this-dangling-plot-thread” style of screenwriting was all too apparent in this episode, possibly due to the showrunners—at the time the episode was shot—did not know if the series was greenlit for a fourth season.

In the episode, we see another bit of character building with a Dillard flashback to an earlier period in the bar, where he's already “conditioned” his pet Walkers, yet imagines they're having bouts of bickering with each other. The episode's most memorable scene was the most predictable: Dillard using dental tools to remove the snapping, growling Walker-Renata's teeth, while the necrophiliac forced a bound Luis to watch & listen to Dillard explain his plans.

About Luis: some viewers believed a romance between the man and Maggie was set up, arguing that Maggie sort of putting away the wedding ring (which, several episodes ago, she implied the ring sort of has her in an emotional place she cannot leave). There's barely any chemistry between Maggie and Luis, and any relationship—particularly while Luis is still grieving / missing his wife (and has a fresh reminder of her thanks to Hershel's mural in the hospital), and now his sister.

Some viewers were up in arms when Maggie & Negan had the following exchange:

NEGAN: ”Alright, you have someone here and now. I don't”

MAGGIE: ”You've got me. You've got me. We are forever connected, Negan. We are outright chained to one another. I'm not saying it because I like it, but you are like a shadow that I can't shake--”

NEGAN (Amused): ”Okay--”

MAGGIE: ”Shut up. I'm never gonna forgive you, not ever. But we have moved past it. And not further apart. And maybe there's a reason for that—I don't know, but what I do know is, aside from my son, you are the closest thing to family that i've got left.”

NEGAN (Humbled): ”Shit, Margaret. I don't deserve you."

MAGGIE: ”Damn straight, but life's not fair.”

To the critics of this scene, Maggie was far too willing to not only reconcile with Negan, but claim any sort of familial connection, as the irate viewers are still holding a candle for Glenn, while others found the statement sort of pushing the other WD spinoffs under the rug, as though characters she's known for more than an in-universe decade simply do not exist.

In any case, the rest of the episode played out as one might imagine: Hershel successfully carries out a rescue mission of the other residents, proving he's no little boy any longer; Maggie and Negan share a dose of shit's getting' real” when Dillard asked Negan to stab Maggie (to prove he's not conspiring with her), and Luis' expected revenge against Dillard—lackluster as that scene could be.

Maggie gives Negan Dillard's police badge, asking him to become the new guard of the armory, while Maggie pours over various documents—possibly plans for city expansion. You know what that means:: more threats from opposing groups wanting to claim Maggie's work as their own. Unless there's a cameo from one of the parent series' regulars (who ties Dead City to the world she left behind), another season is not too promising to contemplate.

NOTES: The episode's title--”Tenebrae” is the Latin word for “darkness” applied in association with a Christian ceremony held during the last three days of Holy Week, commemorating the suffering & death of Jesus Christ on the cross. How this metaphorically relates to anything or anyone in the episode is a mystery, since there's no character who sacrificed him or herself for the souls/lives of the island project.

Negan nearly weeping over Dillard's death did not ring as an honest reaction; sure, he might feel sort of sorry for Dillard being a psychotic, lonely man, but Dillard was “sane” enough to plot against Negan, Maggie and anyone they cared for. The script just presented as a chance for Jeffrey Dean Morgan to deliver a performance having nothing to do with the standard Negan personality.

So, the season ended with all threats—The Dama, The Croat, Dillard and The Dozen—all killed off, leaving what one would presume to be a clean slate for a fourth and final season. I've noticed a loud minority of viewers whining that their personal wish for Dillard to become the Big Bad for season 4 when he was not that kind of character to carry a series, but some viewers seem to believe Dillard had the potential to be a good villain for no other reason than the fact he was a strange nutjob.


NEXT EPISODE: Season four? A spinoff building toward the big reunion project? That is anyone's guess.

GRADE: C.
 
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