The Undiscovered Country: To clean their chronometers or not

[Andrew-Kenneth]

I prefer the theatrical cut dvd too.

1) no "scooby-doo" ending, and the Valeris mind-meld is not interupted by the close-ups of the villains.

2) better picture quality

and 3) this cut is presented in the original aspect ratio of the movie. => 2,35 : 1 instead of the 2,00 : 1 of the previous dvd-version.

screenshots =>
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content/id/70821/star-trek-vi-the-undiscovered-country.html

The 2,35:1 version looks more like a movie instead of a tv-episode.

 

[Chrisisall]

1) no "scooby-doo" ending, and the Valeris mind-meld is not interupted by the close-ups of the villains.

Yes.

2) better picture quality

OH yes.

and 3) this cut is presented in the original aspect ratio of the movie.

 

[RoJoHen]

The original video version adds the cheesy "Scooby-Doo" ending with the Klingon unmasking, which makes absolutely no sense at all (why put a starfleet guy in a rubber mask, sit him with the Klingons, then have him get up and walk to his assassination position instead of just sending - a real Klingon?), the torpedo room scene (with the really awful, totally out of character, "Klingon bitch" line from Scotty) is ruined by the wobbly wall when Valeris slides down the fireman's pole (is there no end to the idiocy of this scene?). And the "clean their chronometers" line is cringeworthy ("let's put all our worst dialog back in!"), as is Col. West briefing the president on a secret rescue plan in front of a Romulan. All of these scenes were well chosen when cut and only make the film slightly laughable when reinserted.

This is the version I am most familiar with. I'm not even sure I've seen the other versions (I've certainly never seen any black and white flashbacks!).

 

[Harvey]

The aspect ratio isn't a big deal for me. Meyer aproved the new, wider frame of the Director's Edition DVD, which only expands the image rather than contracts it. I'm not a fan of the flashes during the mindmeld scene, though. That's why I prefer the extended version that was released on the first DVD of the movie, which I still keep around.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

This is one of the reasons I refuse to buy the blu-ray TOS movie sets. No director's cuts of TMP, TWOK, and TUC included.

The problem with Star Trek: The Motion Picture is that the special effects would need to be redone for the Director's Cut. They were done at DVD resolution, and they're not high enough res for high-def. The cost/benefit analysis may not be in favor of redoing them at the moment.

 

[Chrisisall]

I'm not even sure I've seen the other versions (I've certainly never seen any black and white flashbacks!).

Do yourself a favour & get the newest release (I got mine at Walmart for $13), it's really the best IMO. And it looks stunning on DVD (prolly more so on BD).

 

[Chrisisall]

The problem with Star Trek: The Motion Picture is that the special effects would need to be redone for the Director's Cut. They were done at DVD resolution, and they're not high enough res for high-def. The cost/benefit analysis may not be in favor of redoing them at the moment.

Content over beauty for moi- when and if they do a higher res version, I will shell out the coin.

 

[archeryguy1701]

The only complaint I have about any of the changes made to the movie that I'm aware of is the blakc and white mind meld bits at the end of the special edition. It kills the pacing of that scene and just looks/ sounds so stupid.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Wow Ssosmcin, you make me REALLY glad I just bought the theatrical!

Awesome to be a positive influence for a change. :-)

 

[Chrisisall]

Wow Ssosmcin, you make me REALLY glad I just bought the theatrical!

Awesome to be a positive influence for a change. :-)

It was so smooth and perfect without the added Special Edition junk!
Well, that goofy "We is condemning food and things" could also go, but, whatcha gonna do?

 

[The Castellan]

Starfleet Marines...!

*raises shields*

Oh, and DE for me...

Post-Ent MACO's, probably.

Question: Was the Federation president human? If not, what exactly was he? And was he the same fellow on the Saratoga when the lights went out?

 

[USS KG5]

I really liked Colonel West's briefing scene

I did too, untill the second post gave me pause...

Well the Romulan does make no sense, he's right there. But I was fine with the rest of it.

It makes perfect sense - you just have to assume that the Feds and Romulans have a brief but close military alliance during this period, possibly as part of a political and military plot to wipe out the Klingons.

I think you need the scene to show that there is some depth to the struggle, that Starfleet does not go around hugging everyone and some of its senior officers think that war is totally worthwhile (whereas in fact it usually isn't).

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Starfleet Marines...!

*raises shields*

Oh, and DE for me...

Post-Ent MACO's, probably.

Probably...renamed MArine COmmand...

Question: Was the Federation president human? If not, what exactly was he? And was he the same fellow on the Saratoga when the lights went out?

He was an Effrosian. And not the same person, but the same race.

 

[Kegg]

It makes perfect sense - you just have to assume

Bingo. We have to sit around guesstimating the reason but there's none given in the movie.

 

[FalTorPan]

I enjoy TUC, but I don't have a strong enough liking for the film to prefer any particular version over any others.

 

[The Castellan]

While they sit comfortably in their offices at home, I bet.
Makes ya wonder if any Starfleet officiers there might be named "Cheney", eh?

 

[Jeyl]

I like the flashes of the bad guys simply because I couldn't figure out who the heck they were talking about when they called out their names. It just made the confrontations in the end a bit awkward.

 

[Chrisisall]

I like the flashes of the bad guys simply because I couldn't figure out who the heck they were talking about when they called out their names.

Repeat viewings help.

 

[David cgc]

I loathe the flashes with the firey passion of a thousand suns, but I'll still admit that there's something wrong if you need to see a movie like this more than once to follow the plot.

There had to be some way of doing it more artfully. Maybe a almost-complete cross-fade in and out of the clips of each character as he was named, without the bell, to preserve the motion of the scene.

 

[Chrisisall]

I loathe the flashes with the firey passion of a thousand suns

So, I guess, just, like, pay attention, eh?