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The Undiscovered Country: To clean their chronometers or not

Chrisisall

Commodore
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Do you prefer the theatrical version now presented in the new DVD & BD movie releases, or the Director's Cut with the extra conspiracy content?
I'm on the fence, so I just got the new theatrical one to compare it directly to my older Special Collector's Edition:shifty:.
 
I prefer the theatrical cut. It moses quickly and none of the missing scenes are - actually - missed. By me. Their loss does the film no harm at all.

The original video version adds the cheesy "Scooby-Doo" ending with the Klingon unmasking, which makes absolutely no sense at all (why put a starfleet guy in a rubber mask, sit him with the Klingons, then have him get up and walk to his assassination position instead of just sending - a real Klingon?), the torpedo room scene (with the really awful, totally out of character, "Klingon bitch" line from Scotty) is ruined by the wobbly wall when Valeris slides down the fireman's pole (is there no end to the idiocy of this scene?). And the "clean their chronometers" line is cringeworthy ("let's put all our worst dialog back in!"), as is Col. West briefing the president on a secret rescue plan in front of a Romulan. All of these scenes were well chosen when cut and only make the film slightly laughable when reinserted.

The Director's Edition is worse, with Meyer adding the black and white flashback footage into the mind meld scene because we're too stupid to remember the names of characters we saw an hour ago. Not to mention the "BONNG" on the soundtrack behind each reveal. The only thing I liked about the DE were the alternate shots and angles not in the Blu-Ray version (although I do remember the McCoy close up in the theater).

Theatrical version all the way. But you'll find a LOT of people love the video version. So there ya go.
 
The theatrical version is just fine and Meyer really was satisfied with it the way it was cut unlike II which he wanted to include more on Scotty's nephew.
 
Oh, I've gotta have the chronometers. And Colonel West is the sort of blatantly out of place reference I appreciate (are there Colonels in Starfleet? No, but for the sake of this story, yes).
 
The theatrical version is just fine and Meyer really was satisfied with it the way it was cut unlike II which he wanted to include more on Scotty's nephew.
Funny, I personally like the theatrical better on that one- I think it's paced better, and the nephew thing was kinda kitchy to me. Bring in a nephew of a crewmember- THEN KILL HIM!
What's next?
Bring in a son- THEN KILL HIM?
Bring in a brother- THEN KILL HIM?
Enough already.:guffaw:
 
I thought that the "Klingon" shooter (Colonel West) was placed their by the Starfleet conspirators in order to kill the pro-peace figures (Azetebur and the Federation President) and make sure the Klingons took the blame for the murders.

I know, cheap explanation, but it works for me. I haven't seen the theatrical version since the movie was in theaters. And I was five or six that year, so it's not as if I have a strongly defined memory of the film (I just remember the Klingon blood floating in Zero-G).
 
The theatrical version is just fine and Meyer really was satisfied with it the way it was cut unlike II which he wanted to include more on Scotty's nephew.
I thought that the scenes with Colonel West were cut because Roddenberry didn't like them, anyway to the best of my knowledge they've been put back in most home video releases starting with VHS.

I really liked Colonel West's briefing scene, to be honest; that may be because Rene Auberjonois really sells the part. Sure, it's the sort of scene that's become cliche in every political thriller ever - complete with matter-of-fact men seriously intoning "Mr. President" - but it's rare one sees a scene like that in Star Trek. It suits the more overtly political tone that informs the entire film.

As for the whole 'human/Klingon gunman'... I'd just go with Harvey's explanation but concede that for the film that scene is more about giving us a cool reveal of the conspiracy than making sense.
 
Director's Cut, no contest. The additional scenes add meat to the conspiracy and the tension concerning peace.
 
The Director's Edition is worse, with Meyer adding the black and white flashback footage into the mind meld scene because we're too stupid to remember the names of characters we saw an hour ago.
Yes, the theatrical version is FAR superiour, as my viewing has confirmed for me- not only that, but the new transfer is FANTASTIC!!!
Bye bye old DVD.
Not really- the extras are cool. But I'll never watch that version of the flick again.:techman:
 
The extended cut by far. It doesn't add much more in, but the stuff it adds fleshes things out a bit more.

This is one of the reasons I refuse to buy the blu-ray TOS movie sets. No director's cuts of TMP, TWOK, and TUC included. But hopefully the next time they release them on blu-ray (prob when the next Trek comes out) we'll get the extended cuts. Throw in a Director's cut of Trek V, and I can die a happy man... :)
 
The extended cut by far. It doesn't add much more in, but the stuff it adds fleshes things out a bit more.
I disagree. It overcomplicates things & slows the pace, IMO. I usually love extended cuts, but not where Trek is concerned, for the most part- except for TMP, that is. The Director's Cut is definitely the superiour one. Again, IMO.
 
Although laughable, perhaps the reason that the Romulan ambassador was included in the Col. West briefing was that the ambassador was also implicated in the original conspiracy by Valeris. The Romulan government did, after all, have something to gain from continued hostilites between the Federation and Klingon Empire (except that the Federation president, who was not in on the conspiracy, was the primary recipient of the brief. Oops, I guess the POTUFP should have figured it out then. Maybe he should have just stuck to kicking Kelso's butt.)

Also, the forced mind meld with Spock/Valeris was the creepiest part of the movie. It felt wrong and out of character for Trek.
 
Maybe the Romulan ambassador's being at the briefing with Colonel West is as much down to Colonel West. Both being part of the conspiracy. And the President may or may not have been blind.

But the scene is no great loss to the film. I like the quaint feel of it being on flipcharts, but...meh. No loss, as I say.
 
Maybe the Romulan ambassador's being at the briefing with Colonel West is as much down to Colonel West. Both being part of the conspiracy. And the President may or may not have been blind.

But the scene is no great loss to the film. I like the quaint feel of it being on flipcharts, but...meh. No loss, as I say.

Well his part time job was the dad from That 70s Show, and all sorts of shenanigans happened in that basement that Red hadn't a clue about.

As for the flip charts, I guess powerpoint just wouldn't have the same dramatic effect.
 
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