Discussion in 'Future of Trek' started by NewHeavensNewEarth, Feb 6, 2020.
As in many things in life it is a balance.
I wish the fandom would learn that. We're always stuck between the people who hate everything because it's new and the people who hate something because it reminds them of something old.
All same. Overall I like the modern shows and think they're pretty good at standing apart from one another. I've just longed for a return to the episodic format and so far, the things being said about Strange New Worlds are all the right things for me. It's one of the many reasons I like Lower Decks so much.
I'm exhausted by the season long story arcs, in general.
Constitution class name was originally created for the show. It appears on a computer graphic that isn't readble on screen. It's also mentioned in the script for Space Seed
And they likely just kept the bridge dedication plaque from "WNMHGB" just to save money, so "Starship Class" just found its way into the lexicon and even in ENT the 22nd Century NX-01 was called a "Spacecraft" and not given a class designation on its dedication plaque nor called a "Starship" except in dialogue.
Enterprise season 4 had the Defiant's plaque say 'Constitution class'
ST09 kept Starship Class.
ST 09 is clearly superior then
The wrong Enterprise, which has been a Trek tradition since STIII
Theoretically, when story would be everything that it is about. Maybe you can call it confounding factors, but for me, there are many other aspects, that also have some importance for me. And I dön't nessecarily mean things like the production value, but also the way, a story is presented during the season.
For example: While I am a huge fans of series with an ongoing story arc like 'Babylon 5', I have a little problem with many serials: They start with their arc too immediately, for me often way too soon. I just prefer one season like Babylon 5's first season or DS9's first seasons. In this case, it's not just how good and stronmg the arc is but also the time it gets to be developed during the episodes.
I think that's just (a part of) the online bubble. I bet most viewers - fans or casual - judge the series by their stories or whatever they perceive as merits, but not by a prop being a reminiscence of older shows, or lack of said reminisccences...
I agree. Give the character and world building some time. BUT, I think that's much harder to do with 10 episode seasons...
I love ongoing arcs. They can meander but that's the nature of the story for me.
They've said SNW will be a planet of the week type deal, but there will be character development kept between episodes, they won't be completely self contained.
Which is ideal for me. Just make it so stuff matters.
While Babylon 5 was always planned as an epic, my impression is that Deep Space Nine was intended to be episodic as in early seasons, until declining ratings mandated a change in direction, hence the Defiant, Worf and a big war story.
the SNW ship plaque was seen today here: https://twitter.com/CaptainPikesEnt/status/1412813233073840132
my version : https://www.deviantart.com/gazomg/art/Star-Trek-Strange-New-Worlds-Enterprise-Plaque-885121221
It seems the dedication plaque wasn't present in "The Cage" and first shows up in "Where No Man Has Gone Before," so we can perhaps assume a new plaque is given before every five year mission (sure, why not?) or at least updated at the whims of the Captain (a la the Titan novels which implied that the Captain chooses the quote).
The Black and Silver Dedication Plaque was either April's or Pike chose it for his first five-year mission, and the updated bronze one I guess we can assume he chose for his second five-year mission. Maybe related to an update of the bridge (he likes those) and to match with a lighter color scheme. The main difference is that it specifies what type of Starship Class the ship is (), which some ships do (Shenzhou, Discovery), and some ships don't (Franklin, Enterprise in various timelines). Kirk, upon taking over or before his five-year mission, will keep the gold/bronze color scheme, but remove all the pesky names and go for a bare-bones aesthetic, which seems to become the norm until the 2290s at least (Enterprise-B brought back names, although it was a lot less and more organized than the long lists seen in the NX Enterprise and Discovery era ships).
I once went into a long theory on the origin of the "where no one has gone before" quote (that I can't find), presuming at the time that it comes from Kirk's log entry at the end of Star Trek VI which was affected by the events of that movie and the lesson of having a less-than-human-centric attitude going forward. Unfortunately, the Enterprise dedication plaque from Discovery Season 2 disproves that notion, and it seems that Pike may have either coined it, or someone else did between 2119 (when Zefram Cochrane seems to invent the phrase "where no man has gone before") and ~2256. Perhaps Kirk is quoting Pike in his log entry in Star Trek VI, or at the very least, the dedication plaque at the time he took over the ship before having the quote sandblasted off (and eventually replaced with the correct Cochrane version of the quote). Maybe Pike had the quote changed to "where no one..." when he realized he needed to get used to having more than just men on the bridge.
Or it was taken down for cleaning or repair due to a recent incident. Or we just don't freeze expectations to a pilot episode that had to be completely reworked to get a series order.
Are you arguing that it's the same dedication plaque in Discovery and TOS? I mean, sure, maybe, just visually rebooted or whatever. I just prefer the idea that they update dedication plaques, perhaps on the whim of the Captain, and the fact that it went unseen in "The Cage" means that (while it was being cleaned/repaired) it could even still be the black-and-silver "Where No One Has Gone Before" plaque in 2254. Almost certainly is, in fact, because of "Q & A" and it's near-identical DiscoPrise bridge (although the dedication plaque is unseen in any of the three shorts, and only appeared in "Such Sweet Sorrow").
Yes, character development is part of the plan, I believe.
Alex Kurtzman from last year...
Emotional serialization is apparently going to be the character development.
It makes sense. If something traumatic happens to someone on planet "X" one week, then it carries over to the next week.
Anyway, at this point the only characters that I'm interested in are Spock and Number One. And of the newly announced characters, Babs Olusanmokun is about the only one that I'm curious about. Apparently he's a master of Brazilian jiu-jitsu, so perhaps he'll utilize that in his role in Strange New Worlds.
It seems that he's going to be a fairly prominent member of the cast whatever his role may be. Because he's the first one that they talk about, and I guess that counts for something.
Hopefully he's a human character, because he has an interesting look, and I'd hate for them to cover him up in some alien prosthetics and make-up.
Well, he could be human looking alien. Not like Trek hasn't done that before.
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