I think it is Richard Hammond's Oliver (Opel Kadett)?
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I think it is Richard Hammond's Oliver (Opel Kadett)?
Ah, thanks! Not familiar.
SNW-S2E1-10Oh yes, you outwitted me in precisely the way you intended by making a niche reference that was easily misinterpreted. How terribly smart of you. Ten points to Gryffindor. Imagine my embarrassment.
Talk about comparing apples to oranges though. A concept plane versus an aircraft carrier!?
This is what I wrote earlier and you replied to it (you can even see it in the quote):
I wrote, "Your example of the ships and rudders dates the tech, IMHO. A far future Enterprise should be like an X-65 compared to the Queen Elizabeth crossing the Atlantic... (IOW, going from rudders to no moving control surfaces plus flies above the water.)"
Flying above water with no moving control surfaces is not a characteristic of a yacht. I just assumed you were aware of the X-65 aircraft. There was no intention to get you to misinterpret anything.
The X-65 is an example of a futuristic vehicle unlike that of an aircraft carrier. As you so often point out, we know how an aircraft carrier works because the technology has been around for hundreds if not thousands of years. On the other hand, the X-65 wouldn't be so obvious since it lacks moving control surfaces.
Would you've predicted the warp nacelles being targeted to knock out the impulse thrusters?
Does the TOS Enterprise have visible metal paneling, especially visible on screen? There was some penciled in on the model but I don't believe it was ever visible when filmed. As to hull composition and windows they aren't tied to a point in technology. RCS thrusters on the other hand, point to a specific technological ability.
I mean this in the nicest possible way, but I genuinely can't tell if you're trolling me at this point.
You wrote: "The ship's got faster-than-light engines, artificial gravity, and teleporters, but you're worried the manoeuvring thrusters date it..."
Of those items, which item would date the ship? Does having an FTL engine, artificial gravity or transporters date the ship? No. They're magical futuristic items that do not apparently date the ship, unlike RCS thrusters that could come from the space shuttle. IMHO.
So in the nicest possible answer, no trolling.
I assumed those were personnel spacewalking/inspecting the hull. Could also possibly be DOTs.
I don't think they're DOTs, they have legs. Unless they got rid of hover DOTs
RCS thrusters don't date the ship at all. the ship would need something for precise maneuvering.
The classic VW Beetle is the greatest car of all time, hands down.
The fastest racing yachts use hydrofoils.
"Flying above water with no moving control surfaces" is a pretty accurate description, even if it is a boat.
If I were shown an aircraft with no moving control surfaces I wouldn't say "bugger me, that's clearly magic and far beyond my understanding" and wander off. I'd try to work out how it could possibly manoeuvre. And I'd notice that X-65 specifically seems to be covered in exhaust nozzles. Almost like... reaction control thrusters...
No, but it's also entirely possible that was an effects error. Like I wouldn't have predicted the Enterprise-D's photon torpedo launcher could fire phasers, or that the USS Brattain would have its name spelled Brittain despite being named for Walter Brattain.
Mate, it barely has windows visible on screen if you're looking at the original standard def transmissions on a regular NTSC CRT TV. It could have had enormous TMP-style manoeuvring thrusters daintily picked out in canary yellow and you'd have scarcely been able to see them.
But I'm not the one who believes reaction control thrusters date a design. Antimatter was first predicted in 1928 by Paul Dirac; it was first physically observed in 1932 when Carl Anderson discovered the positron. It was first used as a hypothetical fuel source in the science fiction novels of Jack Williamson, published in 1942. That makes it even older than NASA's reaction control thrusters. Does that also make the Enterprise feel dated?
Sure. I'll believe you, thousands wouldn't. I am, however, extremely bored of this conversation.
we saw the airlock one used in Season 1
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Best shots I have on hand of the bridge window from season one. They've definitely updated the details around it.I think they made the view screen cover smaller on the exterior model. also added a black border around it
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Is there a shot of the view screen head on like this in Season 1 if anyone remembers?
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Pretty sure they're people in EV suits not protrusions. You can see them all over the hull in the opening shots.
The Lamborghinis of the 80’s had Syd Mead angularity. I wish I could have its designer do Sec 31 ships with Coloni told “Here is the Ent-D….now make it more liquid.”
The smaller craft with the headlights make me think “aquashuttle.”
As for the Den—of—Geek quote about everything becoming more TOS….I think I have an idea.
Nogura sees Pike’s disgust after his Discoprise is no more.
“We are having to cut costs…the fiscal hawks are in charge now. You have to accept change.”
—and Nogura walks away.
Kirk steps in and sees the pared down, Spartan lines of the TOS, and steals a quote from Forbidden Planet about the sky:
“I don’t know Chris, a man could learn to love this.”
“I hope so—cause she’s all yours, Jim. I hope you’re ready.”
Pike goes to his destiny on the last fancy Eaves-type ship…surrounded by plainer, cookie-cutter FJ designs stamped out like Liberty ships for the (delayed) Four Years War….perhaps Nogura heard speaking to black dressed men and saying “I’ll give you your damn war.”
Shades of LBJ.
That is how the series needs to end. Like the 60’s did. Apollo lost to conflict and stagnation.
Thus TMP was a return to lavish exploration budgets…more return than refit.
I want to see those flanking a secondary hull with nacelle pylons rising from them—-with NX-01 saucer bumps on the sides of the secondary hull like saddle tanks on a U-Boat tapering upwards to the impulse vents.Clearly NX-Class inspired impulse engines
The smaller craft with the headlights make me think “aquashuttle.”
As for the Den—of—Geek quote about everything becoming more TOS….I think I have an idea.
Nogura sees Pike’s disgust after his Discoprise is no more.
“We are having to cut costs…the fiscal hawks are in charge now. You have to accept change.”
—and Nogura walks away.
Kirk steps in and sees the pared down, Spartan lines of the TOS, and steals a quote from Forbidden Planet about the sky:
“I don’t know Chris, a man could learn to love this.”
“I hope so—cause she’s all yours, Jim. I hope you’re ready.”
Pike goes to his destiny on the last fancy Eaves-type ship…surrounded by plainer, cookie-cutter FJ designs stamped out like Liberty ships for the (delayed) Four Years War….perhaps Nogura heard speaking to black dressed men and saying “I’ll give you your damn war.”
Shades of LBJ.
That is how the series needs to end. Like the 60’s did. Apollo lost to conflict and stagnation.
Thus TMP was a return to lavish exploration budgets…more return than refit.
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The fastest racing yachts use hydrofoils.
"Flying above water with no moving control surfaces" is a pretty accurate description, even if it is a boat.
So you're ignoring the moving control surface aka rudder at the end of the boat or that sail in your picture?
They are not the moving control surfaces (rudder) that you refer to as old reliable. The X-65 aircraft is doing something different than using moving control surfaces to steer. Imagine the Nimitz having no rudders. Or an airplane with no ailerons, flaps, elevators and rudder. Or a starship with no RCS.
I guess it is possible that it was an effects error on the part of the animators that fired the shots into the nacelles and also with the animators making the close up graphics indicating where the shots landed and the impulse thrusters disabled. Time will tell. Or perhaps one of the vfx or art directors that worked on it.
The camera comes close enough to the model enough times that if they were there we'd be able to see them. You can always peruse through a catalog of those TOS FX shots just to be sure.
What does an antimatter engine look like? Do we have working one that we can look at it and determine that it is one like we can for an an RCS thruster? At this point in time, only the the RCS thrusters are recognizable and therefore IMHO dates the Enterprises that use them.
Sure. I'll believe you, thousands wouldn't. I am, however, extremely bored of this conversation.
We could of ended it earlier with an agree to disagree on what looks dated.
Of course. But does it need to be recognizable as something old tech?
But is he referring to it as a franken-ship in real life (which it is), or in-universe (which is questionable since we see another ship of the same type at the Starbase)?
I guess we'll find out possibly at some point in the future if they decide to reuse that particular 3D ship asset in any way going forward.
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