Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™

[Arpy]

Do we have four distinct Romulan ship designs from the 23rd century now? The Bird of Prey, the giant V or X-shaped capital ship, the battlecruiser-looking ship with the tall flat wedge-like front with all the windows, and was there a fourth one that fired the plasma weapon from the open-beaked front?

(Five if you count the D-7’s.)

It would be amazing to see E-A/B/C/D/E/F versions of all of them. Or at least, configurations that survived in the future. Maybe many of them have warbird-like empty spaces in the middle of them, maybe having something to do with the quantum singularity cores.

 

[Arpy]

My issues with the DSC/SNW Enterprise:

1. It’s too dark and/or dirty.

2. The neck is too squat, like the bulldog shorter D model. Something in between the long TOS and squat DSC neck might have been better if we were going to change proportions at all — a balanced TMP length maybe.

3. The long set of front windows/saucer lights are distracting and bewildering. What are they and why are they there? To light up the name? If so it’s ostentatious and embarrassing.

4. The thing that seems to get me most though is the rear of the saucer from above. The wide new impulse assembly messes with the grace of the lines and shapes of the thing and I can’t abide it. I’ll never accept this ship because of them.

—Same with that giant triangle shape at the back of the Sovereign’s saucer that those black patches and the supersized impulse engines/taillights create.—

They could have widened the impulse engines if they felt they must (gods knows why), but that giant square shape from the bridge to the impulse engines, wrecking the lines and elegance of the circular saucer…it’s a black ball for me.

I do miss the futurism of the long thin nacelle pylons (and neck), but eh you got to give them at least one big departure from the original, right?

 

[Tuskin38]

1. It’s too dark and/or dirty.

That's just the show's 'realistic' lighting in most episodes. When she's well lit she's just as grey as the original.

3. The long set of front windows/saucer lights are distracting and bewildering. What are they and why are they there? To light up the name? If so it’s ostentatious and embarrassing.

Those are lights not windows, John Eaves also put them on the USS Shenzhou in DSC. How is it embarrassing? Embarrassing to whom?

The wide new impulse assembly messes with the grace of the lines and shapes of the thing

It doesn't stick out that much more. It also curves with the saucer unlike the original.

 

[ExtremeSail]

Although she's a tad too squat, I like the SNW Enterprise, in fact, I like all variations of the OG Enterprise because I think the Constitution Class configuration is as close to a perfect starship design as they come.

However, the ideal retro futuristic update of the Enterprise already exists (though never translated 1-to-1 on screen!). But uhhh we're not ready for that conversation...

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

Although she's a tad too squat, I like the SNW Enterprise, in fact, I like all variations of the OG Enterprise because I think the Constitution Class configuration is as close to a perfect starship design as they come.

However, the ideal retro futuristic update of the Enterprise already exists (though never translated 1-to-1 on screen!). But uhhh we're not ready for that conversation...

Kelvin Enterprise with TOS colors. Ok, I can dig it.

 

[Santa Kang]

Although she's a tad too squat, I like the SNW Enterprise, in fact, I like all variations of the OG Enterprise because I think the Constitution Class configuration is as close to a perfect starship design as they come.

However, the ideal retro futuristic update of the Enterprise already exists (though never translated 1-to-1 on screen!). But uhhh we're not ready for that conversation...

Pylons are too close to the front of the nacelles, for my tastes.

 

[Donald G]

Pylons are too close to the front of the nacelles, for my tastes.

I dislike the Kelvinprise and the reveal of the Kelvinprise months before release gave me my first sinking feeling about that film after being guardedly optimistic about the casting choices.

First, because the pylons are too close to the front of the nacelles for artistic balance.
Second, because the front of the nacelles look like they've been abusing steroids.
And third, from the front, the overly beefy nacelles look ridiculous and are set too close together on pylons that look as brittle as a wishbone.

For me, the Discoprise is a marked improvement.

 

[HollyJollyHotRod]

However, the ideal retro futuristic update of the Enterprise already exists (though never translated 1-to-1 on screen!). But uhhh we're not ready for that conversation...

I liked the JJPrise in her day. That said, the more I look at her, with the far superior, in my opinion, Discoprise existing, the more I dislike it. The organic lines, bulbous nacelles, and outstretched navigational deflector, just don't sit with me. Of course, I still have the Eaglemoss XL model sitting proudly on my shelf.

 

[ExtremeSail]

Second, because the front of the nacelles look like they've been abusing steroids.
And third, from the front, the overly beefy nacelles look ridiculous and are set too close together on pylons that look as brittle as a wishbone.

Yeah it's definitely odd that the design was messed with so much because in the model sheet the nacelles are noticeably more slim and spaced further enough apart to keep that hot rod look that they wanted while still being balanced.

Plus the detailing in the saucer and deflector are much more TOS, and I like the hint of heavy machinery poking out of the clean, gleaming white hull. And my god the windows! The size and arrangement actually convey the scale of the ship that was intended.

 

[Tuskin38]

Saw this pointed out on twitter, they seem to have modified the Bird on the bottom of the BoP from how it appeared in Picard
https://twitter.com/HiccupMistress/status/1545538473209257985

Also appears to have less lights/windows, whatever they were in Picard

https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1545506759434899456

 

[ExtremeSail]

I liked the JJPrise in her day. That said, the more I look at her, with the far superior, in my opinion, Discoprise existing, the more I dislike it. The organic lines, bulbous nacelles, and outstretched navigational deflector, just don't sit with me. Of course, I still have the Eaglemoss XL model sitting proudly on my shelf.

I love that we have two reimaginings of the TOS Enterprise that go in two different directions still stemming from the time period the original was designed in. SNW is all sharp angles and straight lines with an aluminium-like skin, very 50s-60s fighter jet/rocket ship style. Whereas, Kelvinprise is more curves and organic lines leaning into old retro sci-fi art.

 

[Arpy]

That's just the show's 'realistic' lighting in most episodes. When she's well lit she's just as grey as the original.

If it's dark 95 of the time, it's dark. Heck, there wasn't a need for the lights they added in TMP; just say the hull is made of a luminescent 23rd century material, and there you go. Why bother with 800,000 watt lightbulbs?

Those are lights not windows, John Eaves also put them on the USS Shenzhou in DSC. How is it embarrassing? Embarrassing to whom?

So both ships have problems, okay. The Shenzhou is cool, but it fits the Reliant era better. It's embarrassing for whatever designer thinks that ostentation is cool; it's the antithesis.

It doesn't stick out that much more. It also curves with the saucer unlike the original.

It doesn't stick out much more – that's what makes it sad; it's unnecessary to add the box to keep the "beefed up" impulse engines.

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

People get embarrassed over strange things.

 

[Arpy]

People get embarrassed over strange things.

Yet others don't when they should. Maybe that's why we have the politics we have today. And the message boards.

 

[Kzinti]

So both ships have problems

just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's a problem it's just your personal preference

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

Yet others don't when they should. Maybe that's why we have the politics we have today. And the message boards.

Should based on what?

 

[Tuskin38]

It's embarrassing for whatever designer thinks that ostentation is cool; it's the antithesis.

Clearly he doesn't think it's embarrassing.

 

[Arpy]

just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's a problem it's just your personal preference

?? I’m offering my opinion of what I think. We’re talking about a spaceship on a TV show on a fan bulletin board, thanks.

Clearly he doesn't think it's embarrassing.

Alas.

 

[Tuskin38]

If it's dark 95 of the time, it's dark.

Just the lighting is dark, not the ship itself.

 

[HollyJollyHotRod]

It's embarrassing for whatever designer thinks that ostentation is cool; it's the antithesis