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Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™
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The only correct one was Archer's (no human). As soon as someone, some alien, a long time ago, has gone there, it's no longer no one.
Perhaps the first and second batches were different enough (AMT model for the first batch?) that when Starfleet changed the class name from "Starship" they decided to make them two different classes. So the first ship of the second batch was Constitution. We don't know the new class name of the first batch.
By the way, my thought is that "Starship Class" vessels were named after famous starships, like the California class ships are named after California cities. Later Starfleet decided to switch to a first ship name system, at least for a while.
The one thing that always seems lost when discussing the size of these ships, with respect to deck heights etc is no one ever accounts for ceiling heights between decks. No one seems to account for space between decks for conduit, piping, crawlways etc.
In other words most cutaways I’ve seen indicate one deck with a thin deck separating the next deck
The refit enterprise was the worst offender with this in that the outer saucer rim was supposed to be two decks high and was barely large enough to accommodate two decks with only deck playing separating the two decks
In actuality these ships would be a lot larger to account for that space between decks
The JJprise with all its faults at least showed the appropriate space between decks for crawlways and all that physical plant stuff
Hope that makes sense, drinking Blantons as I write this
In other words most cutaways I’ve seen indicate one deck with a thin deck separating the next deck
The refit enterprise was the worst offender with this in that the outer saucer rim was supposed to be two decks high and was barely large enough to accommodate two decks with only deck playing separating the two decks
In actuality these ships would be a lot larger to account for that space between decks
The JJprise with all its faults at least showed the appropriate space between decks for crawlways and all that physical plant stuff
Hope that makes sense, drinking Blantons as I write this
I think Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise did the best with regards to machinery between decks and behind bulkheads.
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Also, Kirk didn't "change" any "official motto": he was just making a captain's log.
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It does get taken into account, it was just assumed that starships wouldn't need significantly thicker decks than today's ocean-going vessels. We've got quite good at running piping and wiring through floor spaces and wall spaces without needing a full half-deck between each level to do it. As a rule of thumb, Andrew Probert and Rick Sternbach both worked off the assumption that the floor between each deck was approximately two feet thick; ; though some classes of ship do have some decks that are unusually tall compared to others to allow for extra systems to be embedded in the deck structure (e.g. deck 36 on the Galaxy-class; deck 5 on the NX-class; arguably deck 6 on the Constitution-class).There's a LOT of material on Ex Astris Scientia about why most Jeffries tubes probably aren't in between the decks based on what we see on-screen. As much as possible you want "physical plant" to be located in discrete main-deck compartments anyway because it makes it much more accessible for maintenance.
I mean, the idea that Kirk is changing to be inclusive of non-Humans itself doesn't make sense, because the Federation is a multi-species state the majority of whose Members were, from the very start, not Human. So rationally speaking, Kirk should have been raised in a culture that already valued non-Humans as being Humanity's equals from the start and which did not use language that privileged Humans over non-Humans.
Really, it's best to take Kirk's switch from "no man" to "no one" as a slightly metatextual reference to Star Trek realizing it needed to evolve as a franchise and not look too hard for an in-universe rationale.
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It's surprising that the upholstery on the SNW chairs is not perfect, though. The designer and craftspeople are otherwise meticulous.
But are the chairs bolted down?
Those seat backs apparently are hard to replicate. Going back as far as “Relics” they’ve always seemed off to me. I think the stuffing used on TOS was a different, less puffy material. The covering looked like leather (or a really good, non-grained vinyl); these new covers are not shiny enough.
And if that’s the worst thing I have to say about the new look sets, I ought to be a very happy fan.
Yeah, the TOS chair back add-ons were shaped to curve slightly forward as the rose, to provide a surface for the actor's upper back and shoulders to rest against. These and some other onscreen recreations simply curve uselessly back and away.
Also rather obviously the upholstery on the captain's chair is loose and wrinkled. Given the money and effort they made to locate a full complement of the Burke chairs it's a little surprising that they didn't track down the leather TV chair used for Kirk's.
At least two fan films have reconstructed all the chairs from original parts nearly perfectly.
Also rather obviously the upholstery on the captain's chair is loose and wrinkled. Given the money and effort they made to locate a full complement of the Burke chairs it's a little surprising that they didn't track down the leather TV chair used for Kirk's.
At least two fan films have reconstructed all the chairs from original parts nearly perfectly.
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For decks, you don't need that much between decks, maybe 1 or 2 feet for structural support, gravity plate.
Any wiring, plumbing, ducting would run beside it, Life support ducts don't have to transversable by crew.
Only in areas where the hull curves are there Jeffery tubes above a corridor.
Attached is my thinking.
Any wiring, plumbing, ducting would run beside it, Life support ducts don't have to transversable by crew.
Only in areas where the hull curves are there Jeffery tubes above a corridor.
Attached is my thinking.
I prefer the TOS bridge to the SNW one.
I always figured the chair's feet were magnetized.But are the chairs bolted down?
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