The Stargate Franchise - A First Timer's Watchthrough

[Romulan_spy]

^^And not a "love letter" in the "These are the Voyages" sense.

No. I meant "love letter" in a good way.

But now that @tomalak301 has seen the episode I can elaborate. The reason I call it a "love letter to the series" (in a good way) is because of the call-backs to the first movie. We get Ra again. We get SG1 launching another popular uprising against Ra like in the first movie. In fact, that scene with the Egyptians rising up from behind the hill seems like a direct call-back to the movie. We also get a call-back to the pilot, "Children of the Gods" with finding Te'alc on Chulak and him turning on Apophis. And of course the episode is also a delightful play on alternate timelines where we get to see Hammond, Jack, Cartr, Daniel etc in different roles. And then everything wraps up with that final scene like at the end of "Threads" (except with fish this time, hinting that it is not quite the same timeline as before).

 

[Astra]

I haven't seen the Orville, mostly because I am not an fan of Seth MacFarlane and his humor.

Give it a try! Once you made it past the first two episodes you will see that it is very much in the spirit of Star Trek and the humor gets toned down after that. It's not a comedy, it's a drama with occasional humor, just as Stargate was.

More and more are getting into it now, after being reluctant at first for the same reason, being surprised how good it actually is.

The reason I want to read about the Stargate universe is because It is so great, and the shows were so good at world building and I thought/hoped that there would be follow up novels.

Sadly with seasons 9 and 10 being so different than the rest of the show, and then with SGU going into a complete different direction as well, the fan base was very divided at the end, a lot of hate was thrown around and it all left a bad taste. I was so fed up with it I didn't touch my DVDs or action figures in years. This thread actually makes me want to do a re-watch myself.

I had hoped it could be like Star Trek, with a new team and new shows once in a while, expanding the universe even more.

 

[bigdaddy]

Moebius (SG-1)

It was a fun finale, but I'm not entirely sure it was necessary. Honestly I think the highlight of this episode for me was the very ending where they replayed the ending to Threads but you saw a fish jump out of the pond this time.

It was completely pointless except to set up to set up getting a ZPM. But the ending of the episode is awesome.

It also brings up my point of Sam in seasons 7+8 being an idiot. Sam seasons 1-6 would NEVER let anyone travel back in time, ever.

And you like season 7 more than season 1? Season one had that build up to 'They are coming' and that was better than Lost City and all the junk before it to me. I'm glad you enjoyed season 8. I remember watching it for the first time, not liking it as much as you, but they handled the change of Jack being in command really well. I do wish they added another team member though.

Just remember seasons 9 and 10 are a COMPLETELY different show. I like pretending they take place 5+ years later. I'll explain why later. They are mainly enjoyable besides a few problems wih later Stargate. I like them a lot more than Atlantis's later seasons and Universe.

 

[Jayson1]

But is something pointless if it's just so much fun? That is why I loved the Moebius stuff. Seeing a alternate universe and time travel and I kind of like the idea is you had this Stargate team from a different timeline in past having adventures only with a Daniel who is sort of from the real timeline with them as well. Plus Rodney,Hammond and Kawaski returned and so did that General guy we hadn't seen since the early days of the show. Plus the, organs on the inside joke and just seeing Carter and Daniel as more nerdy versions of themselves was fun. Jack's boat named after Homer Simpson and of course the Simpsons joke at the end when he see's the fish "close enough" which was a joke on "The Simpsons" when Homer went back in time once.

Jason

 

[bigdaddy]

Nope pointless. I might have been okay with it if it were one hour, but two hours, and the SERIES FINALE. Nope.

Also did they cut the line of sex organs on the inside line from the redone pilot? That would make the new line pointless now.

 

[Jayson1]

They can cut it but we all know it was there. They can't erase our memories!

Jason

 

[The Wormhole]

Other than the Knighting scene, it really seems like not much was missed.

I agree. I got the DVD set when it first came out, meaning it had the edited version of the episode, and really, I found that version flowed much better, as the extended version just feels extremely padded.

However, I do miss the knighting scene. That is literally one of SG-1's finest moments.

 

[Farscape One]

I am probably in the minority, but I REALLY loved seasons 9 and 10. Particularly season 9.

I know you are aware of Ben Browder being a regular, so I will just say that he is NOT John Crichton. He does fit into the cast well, and there is an aspect to his character that you will find familiar. I'll leave it at that until you have seen at leadt half a dozen episodes or so to see if you pick up on it.

 

[Romulan_spy]

I am probably in the minority, but I REALLY loved seasons 9 and 10. Particularly season 9.

I like Season 9 and 10 a lot actually. The new main villains were compelling IMO. It expands on the mythos of the show in a cool way. The production value of course was top notch as well. And it has some really great/fun episodes. The only problem with S9 and S10 is that it did not quite have the same "magic" as S1-S8 of SG1. There was just something "special" about S1-S8 of SG1. I kinda miss the Go'auld actually. They were campy but they had presence and were always a great foil to SG1. The humor and camaraderie between O'Neill, Daniel, Carter and Te'alc was wonderful. And S1-S8 told a great story of the rise of SG1 from total noobs, to becoming a power in their own right. And when we get to the epic conclusion in "Reckoning" and the final defeat of the System Lords and the Replicators and the liberation of the Jaffa, the story just feels complete. So, at first glance S9-10 kinda feels like it overstayed its welcome. But if you look at S9-10 as a spin-off to SG1, then I think it works really well.

 

[tomalak301]

And you like season 7 more than season 1? Season one had that build up to 'They are coming' and that was better than Lost City and all the junk before it to me.

Season 1 was decent, but it did take a while to get going. I will say though that of the season finales, I still rank that Season finale very high, maybe slightly below Exodus which was my favorite finale so far. Also after seeing Atlantis's first episode, it made the whole Lost City thing worth it to me. It was a very strong first episode.

 

[bigdaddy]

I don't like season 9. I much prefer season 10. Season 7 and 9 fight it out for my least favorite. Because....

Spoiler

Needs more Vala. She is really strong when all the other new characters are so weak.
Also all the god damn space ships. They just are there and then destroyed. We go from no space ships 2.5 years ago to MASSIVE ones and even a fleet. It's why I pretend it's years later. It does lack that magic of the first 8 seasons, that's a good way of putting it. I also don't think Browder was a good fit or a good character. The general isn't as great as Hammond, the doctor... ugh. But the Ori really worked decently, they did a good job with fitting them into our history.

 

[bigdaddy]

Season 1 was decent, but it did take a while to get going.

*Looks around*

You know we are on a Star Trek forum right? The only sci-fi shows I can think of that didn't take a bit to get going were Slider and Atlantis. The latter or which was planned and set up for several seasons of SG1.

 

[tomalak301]

*Looks around*

You know we are on a Star Trek forum right? The only sci-fi shows I can think of that didn't take a bit to get going were Slider and Atlantis. The latter or which was planned and set up for several seasons of SG1.

We are well trained to accept the inevitable.

BSG actually had a terrific first season though.

 

[tomalak301]

I am probably in the minority, but I REALLY loved seasons 9 and 10. Particularly season 9.

I know you are aware of Ben Browder being a regular, so I will just say that he is NOT John Crichton. He does fit into the cast well, and there is an aspect to his character that you will find familiar. I'll leave it at that until you have seen at leadt half a dozen episodes or so to see if you pick up on it.

I think I'm more used to Ben Browder in different roles than Claudia Black. The only Role I've seen Black in was Aeryn, so I'm excited to see her in another role. I wish the US had more access to some of the other work she has done. With Browder, I've seen him in Doctor Who, Guardians of the Galaxy 2, and Arrow.

 

[DonIago]

I think "Moebius" kind of does do the TATV thing of not being strictly necessary but rather being a love letter to the fans...only "Moebius" does it a lot better. I'm still not sure "Moebius" exactly makes sense, but it is a fun ride, even if I also wish Ra had more to do...and it would have been really cool if they could have brought back the original actor, though I understand he's retired at this point. I really enjoy watching SG-1 have to reform and recreate their original adventure...with twists!

If SG-1 had ended either before or after that finale, I'm not sure anyone would have felt the series was incomplete, but I do like how 9-10 semi-reboot things and tell a story in their own right (how successfully they tell that story is left as an exercise for the viewer).

 

[Astra]

The only problem with S9 and S10 is that it did not quite have the same "magic" as S1-S8 of SG1.

For me it had too much magic. It was fantasy, not sci-fi. And I don't like fantasy. I stuck till the end out of loyalty but immediately had forgotten what I just watched.

It also became too much comedy.

 

[bigdaddy]

BSG actually had a terrific first season though.

True. The rest of the show wrecked it. Much like something you are currently watching.

What Doctor Who was Browder in? I don't remember seeing him.

For me it had too much magic. It was fantasy, not sci-fi. And I don't like fantasy. I stuck till the end out of loyalty but immediately had forgotten what I just watched.

That's it! That's what's 'wrong' with seasons 9 and 10 besides some new characters. I keep trying to tell people who love Harry Potter that's not at all sci-fi. None sci-fi fans don't know the difference.

Biggest thing I remember hating from season 9-10....

Spoiler

The goddamn dragon!

 

[Romulan_spy]

What Doctor Who was Browder in? I don't remember seeing him.

It was the western themed episode "A Town Called Mercy". He played the sheriff. You can see him in this clip.

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[bigdaddy]

That's right! I remember that episode now. Love Matt Smith's Doctor, probably my favorite.

 

[Astra]

That's it! That's what's 'wrong' with seasons 9 and 10 besides some new characters. I keep trying to tell people who love Harry Potter that's not at all sci-fi. None sci-fi fans don't know the difference.

For me the show already started to change in season 6, when they started to get ships and later beaming etc. I had not watched nor any interest in Star Trek at the time. SG-1 was my first sci-fi show, and I loved the realistic approach, that it was not set in the future, and had not too much technology. They became a bit too powerful at the end. I just don't like space fights *shrug*

Biggest thing I remember hating from season 9-10....

Spoiler

The goddamn dragon!

Yes! Exactly! I also remember

Spoiler

a wall growing out of nowhere. And generally the Ori waving their hands and doing "stuff"

I was prepared to go in with an open mind for new actors and characters, but it would indeed have been better had they been allowed to start a new show as originally planned.