Could always get high, have a nice drink and try to watch Universe.
The Stargate Franchise - A First Timer's Watchthrough
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Could always get high, have a nice drink and try to watch Universe.
If memory serves me, Don S. Davis was also the stunt double for Dana Elcar, who played MacGyver's boss.
Reckoning (SG-1)
That wasn't the finale? Go Big or Go Home and this episode was HUGE!!!!
There was so much stuff happening in these two episodes and it ended in a way where if they decided that was it for the series, the only reason I would have an issue with that would be what happened with Daniel. However, I'm getting ahead of my self because how we get there is two episodes of great writing involving plots that have interwoven throughout the entire series that come together for one final epic confrontation. You had the Jaffa rebellion making a stand at Dakara, you had the revelation that the Ancient weapon to take out the replicators is also on Dakara, and you had some amazing scenes between Daniel and Dupli-Sam in a battle of mind control, and then you had the battle at the SG-C against the Replicators. I can't believe how seamless everything came together in these two episodes that pretty much wrapped up almost everything. The Jaffa rebellion has become stronger, Ba'al is on the run and got severely weakened, and the Replicators are gone. I was also surprised that the episode "Avenger 2.0" even played a big role in this two parter, namely using the entire network of Stargates to expand the use of the weapon. This show is called Stargate, and to use the actual network in this final showdown and have it make all the sense in the world is amazing.
Like I said, this episode was a big big epic episode and I can't believe it wasn't the finale. It felt like a finale. Hell, it felt like a series finale. I only wish it would have been just a 90 minute episode and treated it like a made for TV movie. That's nitpicking and it did not detract my enjoyment of this two parter. In fact, I think it would have made this epic episode even more epic if it had been treated as a TV Movie.
That was awesome.
That wasn't the finale? Go Big or Go Home and this episode was HUGE!!!!
There was so much stuff happening in these two episodes and it ended in a way where if they decided that was it for the series, the only reason I would have an issue with that would be what happened with Daniel. However, I'm getting ahead of my self because how we get there is two episodes of great writing involving plots that have interwoven throughout the entire series that come together for one final epic confrontation. You had the Jaffa rebellion making a stand at Dakara, you had the revelation that the Ancient weapon to take out the replicators is also on Dakara, and you had some amazing scenes between Daniel and Dupli-Sam in a battle of mind control, and then you had the battle at the SG-C against the Replicators. I can't believe how seamless everything came together in these two episodes that pretty much wrapped up almost everything. The Jaffa rebellion has become stronger, Ba'al is on the run and got severely weakened, and the Replicators are gone. I was also surprised that the episode "Avenger 2.0" even played a big role in this two parter, namely using the entire network of Stargates to expand the use of the weapon. This show is called Stargate, and to use the actual network in this final showdown and have it make all the sense in the world is amazing.
Like I said, this episode was a big big epic episode and I can't believe it wasn't the finale. It felt like a finale. Hell, it felt like a series finale. I only wish it would have been just a 90 minute episode and treated it like a made for TV movie. That's nitpicking and it did not detract my enjoyment of this two parter. In fact, I think it would have made this epic episode even more epic if it had been treated as a TV Movie.
That was awesome.
Reckoning (SG-1)
That wasn't the finale? Go Big or Go Home and this episode was HUGE!!!!
There was so much stuff happening in these two episodes and it ended in a way where if they decided that was it for the series, the only reason I would have an issue with that would be what happened with Daniel. However, I'm getting ahead of my self because how we get there is two episodes of great writing involving plots that have interwoven throughout the entire series that come together for one final epic confrontation. You had the Jaffa rebellion making a stand at Dakara, you had the revelation that the Ancient weapon to take out the replicators is also on Dakara, and you had some amazing scenes between Daniel and Dupli-Sam in a battle of mind control, and then you had the battle at the SG-C against the Replicators. I can't believe how seamless everything came together in these two episodes that pretty much wrapped up almost everything. The Jaffa rebellion has become stronger, Ba'al is on the run and got severely weakened, and the Replicators are gone. I was also surprised that the episode "Avenger 2.0" even played a big role in this two parter, namely using the entire network of Stargates to expand the use of the weapon. This show is called Stargate, and to use the actual network in this final showdown and have it make all the sense in the world is amazing.
Like I said, this episode was a big big epic episode and I can't believe it wasn't the finale. It felt like a finale. Hell, it felt like a series finale. I only wish it would have been just a 90 minute episode and treated it like a made for TV movie. That's nitpicking and it did not detract my enjoyment of this two parter. In fact, I think it would have made this epic episode even more epic if it had been treated as a TV Movie.
That was awesome.
Yeah, "Reckoning" is amazing! They definitely went big. And it does wrap up the major arcs of the series, the Jaffa rebellion, the System Lords and the Replicators, in a very satisfying way.
I also love the scenes with Daniel and Repli-Carter especially when he turns the tables on her and she says the information is too vast and he says "I'm learning".
"Moebius" is great and a ton of fun. It is a love letter to the series but in in a lot of ways, it feels like a post-finale epilogue. I feel like "Reckoning" and "Threads" form the real series finale. I include "Threads" because as you will see it does tie up some important loose ends with Daniel and other characters and ends on a great "final scene" with SG1 that is perfect as a "series finale" end scene.
Every storyline was amazing, but I think this was my favorite because it actually started answering some of my questions regarding Daniel's memory and him actually starting to remember his time when he was ascended. That part of his arc has always kinda bothered me "in a this is a big moment in his life but lets just drop it and move on" kind of way, but it feels like in this episode and the next (Haven't seen it, but I have read the synopsis), it will finally be discussed. In the end they really didn't drop it afterall. The way they incorporated it into the overall arc of the series was just as seamless as everything else and there are a lot of arc based series on there that are incapable of really pulling all the threads together like this.
The best shows (Buffy, Farscape, B5, and now I am going to say SG-1) are the ones that understand what came before and how you end an arc is just as important if not moreso than how you start. It's easy to have a beginning and middle. To stick the landing in a way that makes sense and is entertaining makes your show stand out above the rest.
We were warning it, they were planning it as the finale in a way, Threads is just part 3 of that and it's HUGGE too. The creators did think that was the end for SG1 and that they would get a new three season spinoff Stargate Command. Sci-fi Channel wouldn't let them rename the show. Sadly there are only two more seasons where 'Go big or go home' really is the motto.
Threads (SG-1)
That's not the finale?
So many answers in this episode. Olma acended Anubis, and her punishment was to watch Anubis destroy the Galaxy. I loved those revelations, and I loved that what could have been a Duex ex machina ending kinda was, but they set it up that way. Everything with Daniel in the coffee shop was great. However, why didn't Anubis use the weapon long ago? Maybe by casting him out, the Ancients were able to block his memory of the weapon, like they did with Daniel when he broke the rules? That seems to be a logical explaination.
The other plot was so sad. Jacob/Selmak died.
This was a worthy death though, as Jacob thought Selmak was needed in the fight against the Goa'uld and replicators. I thought that story was very well done. It was sad because it concluded a really really great arc for a great character.
I'm glad the Pete storyline is over. It really didn't go anywhere and I loved that things are now pointed in the right direction with Sam and Jack. I wish we had seen that Johnson woman before now though. She kinda popped up at random.
I loved the final scene with all of them fishing and Sam saying "We should have done this years ago".
That really did feel a series finale. Everything is pretty much wrapped up now at this point. Maybe there's still some Goa'uld on earth or something but where would they go. Also, I don't like that storyline. Everything else though, it just feels weird that there are two more seasons left.
So, @Farscape One and @Romulan_spy, now that I've seen this episode, go ahead and spoil the longer version. My libraries are closed so the chances of getting the DVD to see the longer version are pretty much zero.
That's not the finale?
So many answers in this episode. Olma acended Anubis, and her punishment was to watch Anubis destroy the Galaxy. I loved those revelations, and I loved that what could have been a Duex ex machina ending kinda was, but they set it up that way. Everything with Daniel in the coffee shop was great. However, why didn't Anubis use the weapon long ago? Maybe by casting him out, the Ancients were able to block his memory of the weapon, like they did with Daniel when he broke the rules? That seems to be a logical explaination.
The other plot was so sad. Jacob/Selmak died.
This was a worthy death though, as Jacob thought Selmak was needed in the fight against the Goa'uld and replicators. I thought that story was very well done. It was sad because it concluded a really really great arc for a great character.I'm glad the Pete storyline is over. It really didn't go anywhere and I loved that things are now pointed in the right direction with Sam and Jack. I wish we had seen that Johnson woman before now though. She kinda popped up at random.
I loved the final scene with all of them fishing and Sam saying "We should have done this years ago".
That really did feel a series finale. Everything is pretty much wrapped up now at this point. Maybe there's still some Goa'uld on earth or something but where would they go. Also, I don't like that storyline. Everything else though, it just feels weird that there are two more seasons left.
So, @Farscape One and @Romulan_spy, now that I've seen this episode, go ahead and spoil the longer version. My libraries are closed so the chances of getting the DVD to see the longer version are pretty much zero.
Threads (SG-1)
That's not the finale?
So many answers in this episode. Olma acended Anubis, and her punishment was to watch Anubis destroy the Galaxy. I loved those revelations, and I loved that what could have been a Duex ex machina ending kinda was, but they set it up that way. Everything with Daniel in the coffee shop was great. However, why didn't Anubis use the weapon long ago? Maybe by casting him out, the Ancients were able to block his memory of the weapon, like they did with Daniel when he broke the rules? That seems to be a logical explaination.
Maybe it was predictable that "Jim" was Anubis but I still love that big reveal. The evil laugh that the actor does when he reveals himself to be Anubis to Daniel is awesome.
The other plot was so sad. Jacob/Selmak died.
That scene with Jacob dying and O'Neill puts his arm around Carter to comfort her and she says "thanks for being there for me" and he just whispers "always" is one of my favorite character moments in the entire series.
Ba'al is still around of course and S9 and S10 will follow up on his story arc. And there are some very minor Go'auld here and there but the System Lords are gone and the Jaffa are finally free. So the Go'auld are not dominant powers anymore. So their arc is basically done.
Yeah, that is why I said that "Reckoning Part 1 & 2" and "Threads" are the real series finale for me. When you watch "Moebius Part 1 & 2" you will see why I call it a post-finale epilogue and a love letter to the series.
Actually, the question of why Anubis didn't use the weapon before now is addressed at the very beginning of the extended episode. Ba'al meets with him, Anubis tells him he knew Ba'al had betrayed him, but he'd needed Ba'al to make the modifications to the Stargate, since he wasn't able to do it himself (probably for using-ascended-knowledge reasons), and that he wouldn't execute Ba'al because he thought it'd be more humiliating for him to die with everyone else.
Here's a list of cuts from the Stargate wiki:
I rewatched the episode myself a couple hours ago, so I'll expand on some of those that are a little vague. Isaac Hayes "knighted" Bra'tac and Teal'c by proclaiming them "blood-kin" to all Jaffa. All the Jaffa in the hall kneel, but Teal'c and Bra'tac tell them that the Jaffa will never bow to anyone again.
Teal'c and Bra'tac had a conversation on their way to Anubis's diversion about how Bra'tac was getting old, Teal'c responding that age is just a number, and Bra'tac telling him he'd believe it if Teal'c was still saying that to him in fifty years. Teal'c said he intended to.
I really wish we got to see Teal'c and Bra'tac together atter "Unending" to talk about what happened.
Carter called O'Neill while he asleep at home to tell him Teal'c and Bra'tac had dropped by to let them know the Free Jaffa wanted to keep the Dakara weapon. When we got up, we saw he was with CIA lady. During the subsequent briefing, Pete calls Carter's cell, and when she doesn't answer calls the SGC switchboard and Walter has to come in to get Carter to pick up. It turns out Carter was missing picking out floral arrangements because of the meeting. She tried to beg off and stay at work, but Jacob and Jack wouldn't let her.
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Other than the Knighting scene, it really seems like not much was missed. I think they should have kept the knighting scene, considering they were the leaders of the free jaffa but declined saying that all Jaffa should be free. Maybe that might have been repetitive, but it would bookend the final battle scenes of The Reckoning. The whole floral arrangement thing didn't need to be there, considering the ending of the episode and the break up. It would just be an unncessary add and the episode itself touched on her feelings and emotions through Jacob. In fact, if there was one thing I forgot to mention, I liked the callback to Grace with real Jacob wondering if Sam would be happy with Pete and that "she could have whatever she wanted".
Other than the Knighting scene, it really seems like not much was missed. I think they should have kept the knighting scene, considering they were the leaders of the free jaffa but declined saying that all Jaffa should be free. Maybe that might have been repetitive, but it would bookend the final battle scenes of The Reckoning. The whole floral arrangement thing didn't need to be there, considering the ending of the episode and the break up. It would just be an unncessary add and the episode itself touched on her feelings and emotions through Jacob. In fact, if there was one thing I forgot to mention, I liked the callback to Grace with real Jacob wondering if Sam would be happy with Pete and that "she could have whatever she wanted".
When you watch "Moebius Part 1 & 2" you will see why I call it a post-finale epilogue and a love letter to the series.
Funny, I call them just there for an Atlantis plot point they needed. :P
Moebius (SG-1)
That was an interesting way to end the season. The team figures out they can get a ZPM in the past and travel back in time using the time ship 5000 years. They were worried about affecting the timeline, end up affecting the timeline and an alternate future was created where there was no SG-1 and Jack was a bit of a jerk. They find out about the video tape left, get the team back together, go find Teal'c and travel back to fix the timeline.
It was a fun finale, but I'm not entirely sure it was necessary. It felt like a bookend of the movie, wanting to deal with RA one more time and asking the question what if RA had taken the Stargate and SG-1 never happened. Honestly I think the highlight of this episode for me was the very ending where they replayed the ending to Threads but you saw a fish jump out of the pond this time. Also, I loved the call back to Atlantis with the whole gateship argument, but here McKay is still a jerk.
As for Season 8, I think that was my favorite season now. Every episode save 2 were highly enjoyable, and that 4 episode stretch of Citizen Joe to Threads was entertaining as hell. The series feels like it was wrapping up and I honestly keep forgetting I have 2 seasons to go. I think if I were to rank the seasons now they would be something like this:
Season 8
Season 6
Season 2
Season 5
Season 3
Season 4
Season 7
Season 1
Favorite episodes this season, and it's hard to do a top 5 so I'll do a top 10:
Reckoning
Threads
New Order
Zero Hour
Avatar
Prometheus Unbound
Citizen Joe
Gemini
Lockdown
Sacrifices
Really looking forward to SG-1 meeting Farscape in terms of actors next season but now I can go catch up on the end of Atlantis.
That was an interesting way to end the season. The team figures out they can get a ZPM in the past and travel back in time using the time ship 5000 years. They were worried about affecting the timeline, end up affecting the timeline and an alternate future was created where there was no SG-1 and Jack was a bit of a jerk. They find out about the video tape left, get the team back together, go find Teal'c and travel back to fix the timeline.
It was a fun finale, but I'm not entirely sure it was necessary. It felt like a bookend of the movie, wanting to deal with RA one more time and asking the question what if RA had taken the Stargate and SG-1 never happened. Honestly I think the highlight of this episode for me was the very ending where they replayed the ending to Threads but you saw a fish jump out of the pond this time. Also, I loved the call back to Atlantis with the whole gateship argument, but here McKay is still a jerk.
As for Season 8, I think that was my favorite season now. Every episode save 2 were highly enjoyable, and that 4 episode stretch of Citizen Joe to Threads was entertaining as hell. The series feels like it was wrapping up and I honestly keep forgetting I have 2 seasons to go. I think if I were to rank the seasons now they would be something like this:
Season 8
Season 6
Season 2
Season 5
Season 3
Season 4
Season 7
Season 1
Favorite episodes this season, and it's hard to do a top 5 so I'll do a top 10:
Reckoning
Threads
New Order
Zero Hour
Avatar
Prometheus Unbound
Citizen Joe
Gemini
Lockdown
Sacrifices
Really looking forward to SG-1 meeting Farscape in terms of actors next season but now I can go catch up on the end of Atlantis.
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I really wish they had done more with Ra but it was still an interesting, if weird, episode.
The Brotherhood (SG: A)
I'm glad I was able to get an episode of Atlantis in tonight. This episode was great. The team goes to find a ZPM on a planet, the Genii (Koyla's group) follows them and it's kind of like a treasure hunt type episode. Of course a theme of deception has been big this season so the planet inhabitants do not allow them to take the ZPM. I think the most interesting thing about this episode was it set up the finale with the Wraith Dart flying over the city. Now there are a few Hive ships coming just in time to end the first season. That should be fun.
I'm glad I was able to get an episode of Atlantis in tonight. This episode was great. The team goes to find a ZPM on a planet, the Genii (Koyla's group) follows them and it's kind of like a treasure hunt type episode. Of course a theme of deception has been big this season so the planet inhabitants do not allow them to take the ZPM. I think the most interesting thing about this episode was it set up the finale with the Wraith Dart flying over the city. Now there are a few Hive ships coming just in time to end the first season. That should be fun.
So I tried to look through your posts to see if you have posted in any The Orville threads but couldn't find any. If you haven't watched that show, I want to recommend it in the spirits of Stargate.
Stargate was my first fandom, and even though I have been in other fandoms since, only now with The Orville I have again found the feeling from that time. Love all of the team, the characters and their relationships to bits.
As for the novels, the early Fandemonium ones are very good as they were written by former fanfiction authors who really knew the show, the characters and all the details and references. I stopped caring for these books when they started to use professional authors who just wrote a sci-fi story and our characters were not recognizeable at all. Anyone could have said those lines. I wish they had stuck with the original format.
Right! It's been so long since I thought about any of these things, other shows are in the foreground of my brain now. It's nice to talk about old times!
I haven't seen the Orville, mostly because I am not an fan of Seth MacFarlane and his humor.
The reason I want to read about the Stargate universe is because It is so great, and the shows were so good at world building and I thought/hoped that there would be follow up novels.
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