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The Stargate Franchise - A First Timer's Watchthrough

How do you know what DVD set has the short Threads vs long?

When watching the set, I noticed the running time when I hit play. I remember watching the longer, original version when it aired and recorded it without commercials, so I knew how long it should have been.
 
It was replaced fairly quickly, while they were still giving each disc in the season set it's own full-sized DVD case. There was a tiny difference in serial or lot number on the package, but I don't remember which was which. I'd expect all the subsequent editions, the slim-case with the same box art, and the new white box versions, should all have the long one. I'm not buying season 8 two more times to check, though.

Thank you! I have the season sets that are the size of a One DVD not the one DVD case per disc. I didn't know they continue that for season 8.

And weirdly my DVDs got wet, just a little, just enough to make it annoying the little paper cover. :lol:
 
I want to talk about RDA. I think watching Stargate makes me want to watch McGuyver one of these days. I had seen maybe 2 or 3 episodes, but that was so long ago. I love him here as Jack.
I can only recommend that! MacGyver (with a, without u ;) ) is, despite it looking much Eighties, an awesome series. There's a reason why it's still regarded so highly after all those years. I had caught the end of it when it aired originally, but I also only really got into it when I had become a Stargate fan. Mac is the total opposite of Jack though, he tries to avoid violence whenever possible (and I loved whenever he shook out his hand when it hurt after having to punch someone. When do you ever see a hero do that?)

I know there are people who enjoy the new MacGyver but I refuse to watch it. Some classics just should not be tampered with.
 
The Hot Zone (SG: Atlantis)

If this episode had aired in 2020, one could call it "ripped from the headlines". This was Stargate: Atlantis doing the Cronavirus. You had shelter in place orders, quarentine, the possibility of the virus being airborne, asymptomatic infections. You know how everyone talks about DS9's Past Tense being eerily true to our world today. I think the same can be said about The Hot Zone, even though if you talk to any Stargate fan, this episode probably wouldn't be brought up very much.

I also liked the stuff between Weir and Sheppard. I was kind of hoping Weir would chew him out more in the end because he did buck her authority. They were talking about civilian vs. military command and I can see a little Roslin vs. Adama creeping into this series. I just hope they don't become lovers in the end (Please don't tell me, that was kind of a joke). ;) I also liked McKay and Beckett here and I'm actually starting to warm up to McKay a little. Maybe it's one of those things where you need to get used to his attitude. I still think sometimes he's a Jerk, but he's a Jerk who is also very good at his job.

I am confused about whole EM Pulses work though. I also thought if one went off, that renders all electricity useless for a time. Yeah last week on The Flash and on Atlantis, they release an EMP and it is very localized. Does any show or movie know how these things work? Once the Naquada Generator goes off, the entire city should have been in blackout mode for a while. Also, all the radios should have been fried.
 
I know there are people who enjoy the new MacGyver but I refuse to watch it.
RDA refuses to even talk about the new one. IIRC, there was an interview with him where the interviewer tried bringing it up, and RDA just cut him off and said "I'm only saying this once. I have nothing to say about that show."
I am confused about whole EM Pulses work though. I also thought if one went off, that renders all electricity useless for a time. Yeah last week on The Flash and on Atlantis, they release an EMP and it is very localized. Does any show or movie know how these things work? Once the Naquada Generator goes off, the entire city should have been in blackout mode for a while. Also, all the radios should have been fried.
IIRC, if something is shut down when the EMP goes off it should be safe. And indeed, you do see everyone powering down all their Earth technology in this episode before the pulse went off.
 
I can only recommend that! MacGyver (with a, without u ;) ) is, despite it looking much Eighties, an awesome series. There's a reason why it's still regarded so highly after all those years. I had caught the end of it when it aired originally, but I also only really got into it when I had become a Stargate fan. Mac is the total opposite of Jack though, he tries to avoid violence whenever possible (and I loved whenever he shook out his hand when it hurt after having to punch someone. When do you ever see a hero do that?)

I know there are people who enjoy the new MacGyver but I refuse to watch it. Some classics just should not be tampered with.

Glad people brought up MacGyver because it gives me a excuse to show this YouTube clip.

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I can only recommend that! MacGyver (with a, without u ;) ) is, despite it looking much Eighties, an awesome series. There's a reason why it's still regarded so highly after all those years. I had caught the end of it when it aired originally, but I also only really got into it when I had become a Stargate fan. Mac is the total opposite of Jack though, he tries to avoid violence whenever possible (and I loved whenever he shook out his hand when it hurt after having to punch someone. When do you ever see a hero do that?)

I know there are people who enjoy the new MacGyver but I refuse to watch it. Some classics just should not be tampered with.

The classic MacGyver is still my favorite. It just told good stories with MacGyver jerry-gigging cool contraptions to get out of jams. And MacGyver had a heart of gold. My favorite classic episode is still "The Human Factor".

The new MacGyver show is not MacGyver. It's a cookie cutter show about attractive young people going on spy missions with one character who happens to have the same name.
 
I really like both MacGyvers, the new show is very different, but it's still a fun show on if you take it on it's own, and don't go in expecting something like the original. If nothing else, it has one thing going for it, Jeri Ryan is the current Big Bad.
I can only recommend that! MacGyver (with a, without u ;) ) is, despite it looking much Eighties, an awesome series. There's a reason why it's still regarded so highly after all those years. I had caught the end of it when it aired originally, but I also only really got into it when I had become a Stargate fan. Mac is the total opposite of Jack though, he tries to avoid violence whenever possible (and I loved whenever he shook out his hand when it hurt after having to punch someone. When do you ever see a hero do that?)

I know there are people who enjoy the new MacGyver but I refuse to watch it. Some classics just should not be tampered with.
If anybody is interest in checking out the original McGyver and has the TV channel Heroes & Icons, they show it every Saturday morning as part of a lineup that also include Batman, Superman, Greatest American Hero, Martial Law, The Pretender. So yeah, I pretty much just have H&I on most of the day Saturday. It's also streaming on CBS All Access.
 
Full Alert (SG-1)

Hopefully this is the end of The Trust storyline. It's been decent for the most part, but I'm kind of finding I don't really know how to talk about it very well. This episode had so much going on in it, from the Trust being Goa'uld hosts trying to cause conflict between the US and Russia, to them planting a Goa'uld into Kinsey and having the Russians think that a Goa'uld has infiltrated to Administration (Even though there was also a Goa'uld host in the Russian President, apparently). I guess the highlights of this episode is basically the escalation of war between two powers culminating in the Prometheus taking out the Trust Alkesh ship. There was good tension there, and I have to think Kinsey escaped before the ship exploded. However we are reaching the end of the season and knowing two new cast members are arriving in Season 9, I wonder if we are going to see him again.

I guess my issue with The Trust (And NID) is I get they wanted to have conspiracies on earth and touch on the subject of a "Men in Black" type agency wanting control of the Stargate and just power. That's all well and good but thinking about this arc in comparison to say the Tok'ra/Jaffa struggles, the war with the Goa'uld, the Replicators, and Jack having the Ancient Gene, this NID storyline probably became too convoluted for it's own good. I did however like this episode quite a bit, mainly because the tension was high and it's always fun seeing O'Neill and Chekov's colliding personalities, and Kinsey has been great, but overall, I just don't feel as interested or invested in it like I have with other parts of the series.
 
I honestly couldn't even spoiler for you what happens with The Trust, NID after that episode, I stopped paying attention to those episodes. :lol:

My favorite episode ever is the next SG-1 episode.
 
After several days of real life getting in the way, I've finally had a chance to get back to my own SG-1 watch-through, and have a lot of thoughts on Episode 1x04, "Emancipation", that are more than likely going to put me in a very distinct minority, but here we go:
* I actually like that the episode puts our team into a situation where they're faced with an Earth-based culture that, to them, is completely foreign and "outdated", especially coming as early in the series' run as it does, not only because it helps establish a sort of pattern, but also because it helps them mesh as a team

* I don't have a problem with the male-first cultures presented in the episode or with the ways that said cultures force Carter out of her comfort zone and into a role she's not accustomed to or comfortable with; where I think the episode fails is that it makes her so combative and resistant to said cultures in a way that doesn't serve any real purpose and actually puts her and her teammates in active danger

* Abu is a foolish idiot for behaving the way that he does in kidnapping Carter and trading her to Turghan, but the expedient thing for Carter to have done in the situation in which she finds herself was to go along with the cultural norms of the planet in order to keep herself alive and afford herself an opportunity to actually get out of the situation without getting herself or anyone else hurt, and the fact that she can't bring herself to do that just makes her seem obstinate and, to be honest, ignorant and naive in a way that has nothing to do with her gender but doesn't mesh with her character as established either in the first 3 episodes of the series or in later episodes and later seasons and does far more harm than good

* I need to give props to Jack and Daniel in this episode for their behavior and the ways they're able to think on their feet (especially Daniel) in a situation that clearly isn't ideal for any of them but that presents an opportunity that they're not going to get again if they don't take it. Daniel is especially proficient at coming up with things to say to Turghan about Carter during the scene where they and Moughal are trying to negotiate her freedom

* Speaking of Jack, I think this episode represents another early example of
his attraction to Carter
that manifests itself in the way he reacts to seeing her in a dress and the way he's unwilling to let her get hurt. which adds some fun layers to his character when viewed through that lens

* Daniel having to 'translate' Moughal's talk about 'madness' was probably meant to be funny, but it again makes Carter seem a bit naive and ignorant, which is problematic for reasons not at all related to her gender

* I think it was too early to drop a reference to adventures that we as an audience never got to see, although Carter cutting off Jack before he could finish his sentence was an admittedly funny moment

* Amanda Tapping is a genuine badass and the fight she gets into with Cary Hiroyuki-Tagawa (shoutout) is well-executed, but I find it problematic because, narratively, it puts people in danger without any true guarantee of success. I get that the Carter character is personally repulsed by what Turghan does to the women of his tribe and wants to keep Nya from being killed, but it's really not her place - as an outsider - to challenge that (it's not actually any of our team's place to challenge that, regardless of their gender)

* Even though Carter sticks herself into a situation she has no business interfering in, I do like that her actions end up giving others who are part of the Simkaran culture - like Moughal - the incentive and precedent to make a decision to change the status quo of things, even if said status quo change is limited

Overall, I don't think this episode in any way deserves to be considered the worst of the series, even though it does have some problems in terms of how it crafts its narrative... most of which have to do with the SG-1 team being "strangers in a strange land" and behaving in ways that are reckless and/or dangerous to themselves and others rather than anything explicitly related to the gender of Carter's character or the oppressive cultures of Simkara's inhabitants
 
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IIRC, after this point, the Trust is basically just a means to get Goa'uld spies on to Earth, which can be fun. It'll result in one of my favorite episodes, and another one that was pretty good, but was one of the more flagrant examples of an episode's trailer being a huge spoiler.
 
Overall, I don't think this episode in any way deserves to be considered the worst of the series, even though it does have some problems in terms of how it crafts its narrative... most of which have to do with the SG-1 team being "strangers in a strange land" and behaving in ways that are reckless and/or dangerous to themselves and others rather than anything explicitly related to the gender of Carter's character or the oppressive cultures of Simkara's inhabitants

I too was surprised at the hate it got. It was the first time I got to see Sam stand up for herself and kick ass. I'm in Season 8 now and I think if I look through the episode guide, I can pick some worse episodes than Emancipation.
 
Sanctuary (SG: A)

The ending revelation made that entire episode. It was going along fine, Sheppard and crew find a planet with a power weapon and they see something that looks like a Sanctuary. Shep falls in love with the woman representative who they bring back to Atlantis to convince her to help if the need arises. It's revealed that she was an ancient who was punished because she lashed out at the Wraith in order to protect the planet. There was so much revealed here, from the Acended Ancients being in Pegasus colony to their rule of non-interference of Mortals. Even McKay got in a few Captain Kirk (Shepperd is kind of acting like Kirk) references. I wasn't sure if I was going to like this episode, but the Ancient reveal and ending was it all worth it.
 
Citizen Joe (SG -1)

BEST CLIPSHOW EVER!!!!!! :techman::techman::techman::techman::techman::techman::techman::techman::techman::techman::techman:

This might be the most meta episode ever too. I mean it was a clip show that advanced the plot in a unique way and the guy we follow throughout is basically a representation of the fan base. I loved some of the reactions Joe was getting from others, like Sharlene saying the team dynamic isn't what it used to be, or Joe's reaction to Daniel's death, or the guys are the barber shop being confused by the whole Goa'uld/Jaffa relationship. I also loved some of the letters he was getting, like the rejection of Hathor, Sentinal, Holiday and a few other episodes. I love when this show pokes fun at itself, and the last time it really did that was Wormhole X-Treme (That scene was great too). This is how Clip Shows should be done. Also, it was very sweet, especially at the end when Sharlene gets to meet Jack.

I was surprised if this was all about clips of Jack, they didn't use the Golf scene in Window of Opportunity. In a fun episode like this, using that scene would have been amazing.

It was fun going down memory lane. When they mentioned the Reetu, I was like, yeah whatever happened to those guys. I think I remember saying when I talked about that episode (Honestly, they all blur together now) that I expected to see them again. Never did.
 
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I was surprised if this was all about clips of Jack, they didn't use the Golf scene in Window of Opportunity. In a fun episode like this, using that scene would have been amazing.

I was about to say that that never happened because of the time loop, but then I remembered the conceit was that Joe was actually seeing Jack's memories while he was writing his mission reports, but I guess in that case, it's still not the kind of thing he's likely to write down.

My favorite thing about that revelation is that means Joe was freaking out about Anubis being on the edge of conquering the world weeks or months after it was all resolved, when Jack finally got back to the base after being thawed out. Well, that, and that Jack had spent the last seven or so years daydreaming about being a barber in Indiana and found nothing odd about that choice of fantasy life.

I don't remember "Citizen Joe" actually doing much to advance the plot at the time, but in the long run, the Ancient communication stones are kind of a big deal.
 
Before I Sleep (SG: Atlantis)

I think is the first episode where I feel rewarded for alternating series. This episode was brilliant. The team finds an older woman in stasis who happens to be Dr. Weir herself. She tells the story of the teams first arrival on Atlantis which ended in catastrophic failure, and the ship that she, Sheppard, and Zelanka escaped on was a time ship that was thrown 10,000 back to when the Ancients controlled the city. What happens is basically an answer to all the questions I had in the premiere episode, like how did the city rise (The fail safe) and how did it react to the teams arrival by turning on all the lights. This was time travel done incredibly well, and the note is allowing them to find 5 ZPMs to maintain power of the city. I loved the two part episode, but I think this episode was probably the best episode of the season so far. So many things were revealed, and maybe Janus succeded in building the time ship that Carter found in the King episode of SG-1.

I love how slowly but consistently things are being revealed and the mythos is allowed to grow. I've been complimenting the revelations about the Wraith, but I think this episode brought everything together is the most amazing way. We got to see that circle from when Weir first came to Atlantis to actually seeing the Ancients, and now with the team there in present day. This was universe building done exceptionally well and this is what good spin offs are supposed to do. I'm almost done with the first season and I'm already enjoying Atlantis a lot.

Now is time for the end of the season binge watching. First it's SG-1, then Atlantis. I'm so excited to see how these seasons end because they have been so great.

My favorite thing about that revelation is that means Joe was freaking out about Anubis being on the edge of conquering the world weeks or months after it was all resolved, when Jack finally got back to the base after being thawed out. Well, that, and that Jack had spent the last seven or so years daydreaming about being a barber in Indiana and found nothing odd about that choice of fantasy life.

I wonder how odd that would be, having a connection with an ordinary guy for 7 years. I loved the double meaning of naming him Joe too, like the common term "Average Joe".
 
Before I Sleep (SG: Atlantis)

I think is the first episode where I feel rewarded for alternating series. This episode was brilliant. The team finds an older woman in stasis who happens to be Dr. Weir herself. She tells the story of the teams first arrival on Atlantis which ended in catastrophic failure, and the ship that she, Sheppard, and Zelanka escaped on was a time ship that was thrown 10,000 back to when the Ancients controlled the city. What happens is basically an answer to all the questions I had in the premiere episode, like how did the city rise (The fail safe) and how did it react to the teams arrival by turning on all the lights. This was time travel done incredibly well, and the note is allowing them to find 5 ZPMs to maintain power of the city. I loved the two part episode, but I think this episode was probably the best episode of the season so far. So many things were revealed, and maybe Janus succeded in building the time ship that Carter found in the King episode of SG-1.

I love how slowly but consistently things are being revealed and the mythos is allowed to grow. I've been complimenting the revelations about the Wraith, but I think this episode brought everything together is the most amazing way. We got to see that circle from when Weir first came to Atlantis to actually seeing the Ancients, and now with the team there in present day. This was universe building done exceptionally well and this is what good spin offs are supposed to do. I'm almost done with the first season and I'm already enjoying Atlantis a lot.

I am glad that you got to this episode. It is one of my all-time favorite episodes of the entire franchise. The episode is just perfection. It has a mystery. It does time travel the right way, presenting things in a self-consistent way. It has world-building. We see Atlantis and the Ancients. We see the evacuation of Atlantis back to Earth thousands of years ago. It is great to meet Janus and see that he is different from the other Ancients. And yes, Janus and the time ship is the aspect of "It's Good to be King" that I did not want you to be spoiled about if you watched this episode first. "Before I Sleep" gives us that backstory, that Janus invented the time ship tech on Atlantis first and yes, after the evacuation back to Earth, he went on to build another time ship which is the some one that SG1 finds. This is what I was talking about when I said that SG1 and SGA cross-over in little ways that is wonderful. It creates this larger universe for the audience.
 
Full Alert (SG-1)
The highlight of Full Alert for me was Daniel's storyline, specifically his scenes with the female Russian officer, which made for some amusing moments.
Citizen Joe (SG -1)
Favourite lines from that episode
Daniel "He broke into your house?"
Jack: "Yeah."
Daniel: "That's two weeks in a row."
Jack: "I know."
Daniel: "Alarm."
Jack: "I was thinking maybe a dog."
Joe: "Try locking your front door."
Not a coincidence that Joe was played by the actor who voices Homer Simpson... a very important person to Jack O'Neill. :)
Which they make a meta reference to with Joe commenting he agrees with Jack's comparison to Mr. Burns as a Goa'uld from Lost City.
 
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