The Stargate Franchise - A First Timer's Watchthrough

[Romulan_spy]

At the time it aired, there was a bit of a split between the people who thought the ending was a fresh way to acknowledge that we all know how reset-button time-loops work, and we don't need to see a denouement that everything is fine, and people who were still expecting there to be some other complication. There was even a Kinosode that spelled it out, which some of the former people feel rather contemptuously towards.

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I'm definitely in the former camp. I thought it was a fresh take on time loops. The "meat" of the episode was seeing the time loops that failed and seeing them learn from their mistakes. Once we knew that the last time loop would be successful, we did not need to see it.

 

[tomalak301]

Life

Ok, so they aren't bringing in artists, but they are doing a lot of pop music and it's so jarring for it to be in a Stargate show. Heck, the deeper I get into Universe, the more I forget it's a Stargate show. It's still decent, but this episode bordered on soap opera for me and I'm really missing the adventure. I do like how this is the first Stargate to portray an LGBT relationship (Even though if you have sex in another person's body, could that constitute as rape?) with Camille and Sharon, and Young kicking Telford's ass was really great. We're 9 episodes into this series and things are developing but I'm still kinda having a hard time understanding what this arc is. They want to go home, but they can't control the ship and people's personal lives are basically being ruined. OK. Where's a good Wraith battle when you need one.

 

[JD]

No, bring in new people, but it compares fine with Star trek (and this is a Star Trek forum). Just make Stargate: The Next Generation. But I would use the original cast as much as they want. Have Teal'c be the leader of his people, Have Daniel and Sam be floating around, part of the world still. Same with the Atlantis people, just have them still be a part of this world.

I would have the cast members from the old shows around, but at least when the show starts, I would use them sparringly. If you use them to much, you run the risk of overshadowing your new characters.

 

[tomalak301]

At the time it aired, there was a bit of a split between the people who thought the ending was a fresh way to acknowledge that we all know how reset-button time-loops work, and we don't need to see a denouement that everything is fine, and people who were still expecting there to be some other complication. There was even a Kinosode that spelled it out, which some of the former people feel rather contemptuously towards.

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I, for one, loved it. It uses the very format and tropes of a sci-fi TV episode to wring out a lot of extra tension and suspense, because things keep getting worse and you know the episode has less and less time to fix it. That was especially the case watching it live, when you've got a much more developed sense of when the hour ends than when you just pop it on whenever on streaming, without even commercial breaks to reinforce your sense of pacing from basic television literacy.

Well, that makes me feel better about this episode then. I think it was unique, but I was confused as to why it felt like the episode just stopped. Now that I've seen "Life" and got some clarification, I can see why people loved it. I personally didn't love it, but it was kinda interesting.

 

[Romulan_spy]

We're 9 episodes into this series and things are developing but I'm still kinda having a hard time understanding what this arc is. They want to go home, but they can't control the ship and people's personal lives are basically being ruined. OK. Where's a good Wraith battle when you need one.

There's a battle coming this season. And SGU has several battles next season. There is also the reveal of Destiny true mission.

 

[bigdaddy]

Life
Heck, the deeper I get into Universe, the more I forget it's a Stargate show. It's still decent, but this episode bordered on soap opera for me and I'm really missing the adventure. I do like how this is the first Stargate to portray an LGBT relationship (Even though if you have sex in another person's body, could that constitute as rape?) .

This was some of the spoiler code from a few pages back when we were talking about how awful the stones were. It is rape BTW. Space rape is still rape.

There is some good in the show but all the useless drama over characters that aren't likable at all just drags it down. But I'm starting to remember the bad guy for season 2 and it's really awesome.

 

[tomalak301]

There's a battle coming this season. And SGU has several battles next season. There is also the reveal of Destiny true mission.

By the way I'm not just interested in the space battles. A lot of the stories have been really interesting (I loved the character interactions in SG-1 for example) but so far SGU isn't there yet. It's felt more soap opera than a Stargate show. I'm hoping what is to come is good.

 

[CaptainXaviOfEarth]

I always liked the idea if they did a reboot to set it in a alternate universe were the gate has just been found and you saw exploration from a fresh perspective again.

I have no idea either way, but I would place a strong bet on this being the case. Earth discovering the gates for the very first time. Use a comic or something to explain how the universe rebooted.

 

[bigdaddy]

B I'm hoping what is to come is good.

Spoiler

It's not. Sorry. It's better, but the soap opera bullshit and horrible characters remain.

There is no dragon so that's something good right.... right?

 

[tomalak301]

Justice

Ok, now we're talking. Tensions have been boiling now between Rush and Young and we are at the midseason point and Rush is stranded on the planet with the alien ship. That was such a brutal fight scene, but it was incredibly effective.

 

[tomalak301]

Space (And a Little More on Justice)

Well, my concerns about where this series has been going are finally being addressed, and I'm liking what I'm seeing. I was so short on my Justice review probably because I was really anxious to see where it all led. We've seen Young and Rush not see eye to eye, so Rush frames him for murder and in return, Young kicks the crap out of him and leaves in on the planet. Maybe kicking the crap out of him would have sufficed but leaving him on the planet, damn that cold. We have reached a tipping point on the Destiny between these two, and it looks like the arc moving forward will be what was hinted at in the very first episode, the battle for leader ship between Rush and Young. What makes it even more interesting is Camille Wray knew about Rush's framing based on the final scene in Space and it looks like she has indeed picked a side. I'm excited again for where this will go.

As for Space, we got a good space battle, but in the interest of showing that I don't just care about the space battles, I really am liking the character work in Justice and now in Space. We're seeing Young kind of this authoritarian leader, willing to sacrifice two people for, in his words, the greater good. Jack or John would have never done that, and that's what is making this show really really different from it's predecessors. I even liked Matt and Greer prepping the shuttle in an attempt to rescue. As for the Aliens, they looked good even though they reminded me of some other aliens but I'm drawing a blank. Also, Destiny has a really big gun, and some nice weaponry. I hope it is successful in the future because it wasn't here.

I was starting to wonder about this series with Time (it was a good episode, but it wasn't as great as I've seen other people say it is) or Life. It feels like the arc is finally coming into focus and all I have to say is go Rush's team. They seem to be more explorers.

 

[Skywalker]

This was pretty much my exact experience with this show. I thought the pilot was interesting but most of the next few episodes after that (except for "Light" and "Time") had me going "Uh, I don't know about this..." But once they hit that midseason point things finally started to pick up.

 

[tomalak301]

Divided

Watching this Mutiny unfold, and considering the comparisons to BSG, I am reminded of the Mutiny that started Season 2 of that series. That was military vs. civilian, and it's similar here, Military vs. Civilan. On on this one, we've seen what lengths Young will go to and what set off Rush to even lead this mutiny. I've been loving this arc so far and I can see why it was a slow build of characters to begin the series. Things are happening now and because of the characters, I'm finding it really compelling. We also get the return of Dr. Brightman here from the episode Lockdown. It was a long time since I've seen the episode, but I actually thought the stones were used the best here than any other episode.

 

[The Wormhole]

No reboot.
Say it with me...

No. Reboot.

There are 17 seasons of three shows. There is no need to reboot it. Star Trek mainly takes place in the 'Prime' universe besides three movies and only three movies. It would be like rebooting Star Trek after Deep Space 9.

"Reboot" in this context could just mean a continuation. It is an obscure though still technically accurate definition of the term reboot to apply to a continuation of a franchise that's been dormant for years. EG, it was this line of reasoning that many news sources used to refer to The Force Awakens as a Star Wars reboot despite clearly being a definitive continuation.

There's certainly been talk in the past year or so about new Stargate content happening in some for. MGM has been having talks with former TV series producer Brad Wright, even after he told them off for "pissing all over my canon" with Origins, to which he got an apology for. RDA and Amanda Tapping have been making vague comments at conventions about something happening, and there was a late 2019 article promising it was more a matter of "when will Stargate return?" rather than "will Stargate return?"

Of course, as with everything at the moment, we have no idea how these Corona Times will impact the situation.

Time

This episode just stopped. It was pretty interesting, watching a Kino that hasn't happened yet because it was sent back in time due to a flare interrupting with the wormhole and finding out the disease was in the water supply. It was filmed kinda like the Blair Witch Project, which I found a little nauseating at first. I did like the character work though, especially from TJ, who I'm liking more with each episode. Still, I'm confused by the ending. Scott knows that the creature on the planet will have the cure to the disease, sends the Kino back and the episode just stops. Does this mean the episode doesn't happen or we will actually address this later on? I almost don't want to know because even putting it in spoiler code will kind of be a spoiler. I think I might need to readdress this one at the end of the season because this is one of those episodes that make me say, what just happened?

As for the reboot discussion, please no reboot. Stargate is so vast that you can play in the same universe with different characters. I would actually like to see a Stargate show where everyone knows about it, like 2010 but on a much larger scale, and without the threat of infertility.

Yeah, I'm firmly in the camp that did not like Time at all since it was clearly a reset button that didn't even bother to show the reset button being pressed. I've heard all the arguments in support of it, but it still doesn't appeal to me.

Even ignoring the temporal hijinks, it's kind of a depressing episode anyway, with Eli and Rush's conversation about death, the afterlife and the fact we're all destined to get buried and turned into a nightclub for worms an especially dreary point for me.

Divided

Watching this Mutiny unfold, and considering the comparisons to BSG, I am reminded of the Mutiny that started Season 2 of that series. That was military vs. civilian, and it's similar here, Military vs. Civilan. On on this one, we've seen what lengths Young will go to and what set off Rush to even lead this mutiny. I've been loving this arc so far and I can see why it was a slow build of characters to begin the series. Things are happening now and because of the characters, I'm finding it really compelling. We also get the return of Dr. Brightman here from the episode Lockdown. It was a long time since I've seen the episode, but I actually thought the stones were used the best here than any other episode.

The mutiny storyline did not work for me at all. The justification for the civilians was that in civilised countries on Earth, the military answers to a civilian government, so therefore they should be in charge here. But that ignores the fact that these civilians are contractors hired by the military, and their contracts specify they agree to the authority of their military commander.

 

[bigdaddy]

"Reboot" in this context could just mean a continuation.

Oh yes this TV definition debate. Reboot to me is rebooting a story, like BSG getting rebooted twice now. If you bring back the same people it's a revival like Will and Grace and Roseanne. I miss Roseanne. (I will get hell for that.)

 

[captainkirk]

For me, Time was the episode where I dropped out of Universe and never looked back. From what I know of later episodes, it doesn't seem like I would have cared for those either.

 

[Farscape One]

You know one thing I wish they did for the SG1 finale, or at least after THE ARK OF TRUTH?

The Odyssey... it has all the Asgard's knowledge. It really should have been kept in a bay or on reserve instead of being out there. If something were to happen to it... not even an attack... like it hits a spatial anomaly and destroys it, or damages it so badly that the database is gone, that would a true shame.

The Asgard did trust the SGC with their legacy. I know General O'Neill would do all he can to assure its survival, especially since he has a soft spot for them. ("Love those guys.") And frankly... who wouldn't have a soft spot for those guys?

 

[bigdaddy]

You know one thing I wish they did for the SG1 finale, or at least after THE ARK OF TRUTH?

The Odyssey... it has all the Asgard's knowledge. It really should have been kept in a bay or on reserve instead of being out there. If something were to happen to it... not even an attack... like it hits a spatial anomaly and destroys it, or damages it so badly that the database is gone, that would a true shame.

The Asgard did trust the SGC with their legacy.

Whatever do you mean? They built 7 ships in seven years and half of them blew up, so I don't see an issue with all of Asgard knowledge on an Earth ship.

I always thought it was odd that it was one military show with it. Liek Russia, China and the ISO would love that fact?

 

[thribs]

You’re on Universe now? That’s when it starts to suck. Only made it 9 episodes before I said no more.

 

[bigdaddy]

Stargate Universe, the universally hated Stargate show.