The stones were just awful and ruined the "Voyager" aspect of the show. They could have easily done flashbacks for Earth scenes
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Did this only impact the movie or were other episodes impacted. It just seems to me like some of the scenes deleted were important scenes, especially if the Lucian Alliance does become a big deal later on. I guess I should also apologize in advance if I get something wrong only by watching an edited version of this series on Amazon Prime.
The conversation between Rush and O'Neill doesn't really impact anything, other than showing Rush's opportunistic side which will come in evidence in later episodes anyway. And yeah, the Lucian Alliance are going to be a huge deal for this show.
But don't worry, I think it's only Air that that has different versions and edits. All other episodes, what Amazon has should be the only version of those episodes.
But don't worry, I think it's only Air that that has different versions and edits. All other episodes, what Amazon has should be the only version of those episodes.
Yeah but the use of the stones does raise some ethic issues. It is one thing to use the stones simply to communicate like Vala did in the episode "Crusade" or SGU does to share information with Homeworld Command. It's quite another to use someone else's body to do stuff that maybe that person would not want to do.
Sort of addressed in one of the webisodes where Eli is interviewing someone from Earth inhabiting Chloe's body who says everyone on Earth who volunteers for stone swaps signs waivers stating they give permission to whoever swaps with them to have sex during the swap.
Which sounds messed up AF. But then again, a disturbingly large amount of people on Earth are apparently willing to have sex with complete strangers just because they claim their spouses are inhabiting the bodies. The stone were a really weird addition to the show.
Which sounds messed up AF. But then again, a disturbingly large amount of people on Earth are apparently willing to have sex with complete strangers just because they claim their spouses are inhabiting the bodies. The stone were a really weird addition to the show.
I was wondering how that worked. Was there an agreement between Young and Talford (?) to switch bodies anytime? What about Chloe and the Doctor so Chloe can talk to her mother. What is to stop the stones from being abused and having a situation like what I just saw in the Atlantis episode "Identity". I know it's still early, but in a series that is already darker than the other two, I can see those stones causing more problems than it's worth.
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I think it is mentioned at some point that the people on Earth have to sign consent forms to use the stones. So they do give legal consent for their bodies to be used. Presumably, if the bodies were used in a way that violated the consent form, there would be legal repercussions. So legally, it is covered. But I think ethically, it still poses questions.
But suffice to say that the stones will cause some big interpersonal problems. You'll see.
We didn't need an Earth presence, at all. The first season of Atlantis didn't have an Earth presence either.It was one of the best seasons in the franchise.
It does take away the whole thing of being billions of light years from home and having to work together to just survive.
I understood why they wanted Earth and the people to be involved in the show. SGU was meant to be more of a character drama rather than an action adventure show like its predecessors were, which makes sense given its premise. I wasn't opposed to the idea of keeping Earth involved, but I do think the stones made it too easy, and a lot of the ideas they came up with in regards to Earth and the stones were pretty cringeworthy.
They could have came up with a new way to communicate with Earth that wasn't as creepy. Or even keep the stones and use them less and... I don't know take a writing class.
Stargate writers aren't great at writing for characters, it's why they killed off Ford and Weir. They could have found a balance but by this time Stargate needed new blood.
Stargate writers aren't great at writing for characters, it's why they killed off Ford and Weir. They could have found a balance but by this time Stargate needed new blood.
They could still have done sub plots about what Homeworld Command was doing to help Destiny without using the stones.
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It seems you and I have pretty much the same view on things! I had forgotten about that camera. It was not only in this series, around the time a lot of TV shows did it, some better, some worse. It makes me seasick. How refreshing when I then started to watch TOS for the first time in 2015. Long close-ups of faces. Steady camera work. Some might find it slow, I found it relaxing.
And yeah, I can't watch a series if I can't find anyone to like. I simply was not interested in any of those people's fate. And if you don't care, it's hard to keep interested. I do seem to remember a lot of arguing and fighting. No, not my show *shrugs*
I lost (hah!) the plot of LOST several seasons before the end, and wanted to quit many times, but those wonderful actors and interesting characters always pulled me back in so I watched till the end. They were mesmerizing.
Yeah it was pretty much annoying in every case. A little of it is fine for scenes, but not whole shows.
I honestly wished all the humans on the show would die, I only finished the series because the ship is amazing.
The spoiler in my post right above yours covers "stone abuse" if you will, but basically the people on Earth who volunteer for stone swaps sign a waiver saying they consent to let the other person they swap with use their body however they like during the swap.
As for determining who swaps into who, that's pretty much random. In most situations there's people on Earth who spend shifts on stone duty just waiting in the stone room at the Pentagon for someone from Destiny to make a connection and swap.
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Well, this was the first episode I can call really really great. Everything about this episode worked. This episode did more on characters than the previous four so far, and everything made sense. You had probably Stargate's first long sex scene with Scott and Chloe which didn't bother me in the slightest mainly because it's two younger people who did have an affection for one another and they thought they were going to die. The stuff leading up to the lottery was great because you had the scenes of Rush pleading with Young to take his name out of the drawing. You had a very real scene between Chloe and Scott about the possibility of being chosen, and then the lottery itself was really the most emotional scene of the series so far. Then you just had the darkness of waiting, thinking that the Shuttle was going to be it and then Destiny decides to do probably the coolest thing I've seen a ship do since Moya's first Starburst. It's powered on Solar, so it's like lets take a dive into the star and refill our energy reserves, and the shield will hold. That scene, with the tense build up in music was this series' first AMAZING scene. Yeah it's early but to go from terror to jubilation was really an incredible feeling. In fact, this is what I wish dark shows would do more. It doesn't have to be grim dark all the time. There needs to be good and cheerful moments. Where BSG failed was when they had those cheerful moments, they were really really quick to make everything so depressing again. Here, we got to bask in it, and it was 5 episodes coming to a sense of relief that for now they were going to be fine. It was a great feeling. I really also like the idea of Rush saying it was his destiny to be here and then at the end we get the question of if he knew or not. The way he reacted I think he did know, but this might set up some interesting things going forward.
I think this episode has made me really excited for the series. I was going to watch it anyway because I'm almost done with Stargate and I can't stop now, but this was the first episode of this series to really make me sit up and take notice.
Well, this was the first episode I can call really really great. Everything about this episode worked. This episode did more on characters than the previous four so far, and everything made sense. You had probably Stargate's first long sex scene with Scott and Chloe which didn't bother me in the slightest mainly because it's two younger people who did have an affection for one another and they thought they were going to die. The stuff leading up to the lottery was great because you had the scenes of Rush pleading with Young to take his name out of the drawing. You had a very real scene between Chloe and Scott about the possibility of being chosen, and then the lottery itself was really the most emotional scene of the series so far. Then you just had the darkness of waiting, thinking that the Shuttle was going to be it and then Destiny decides to do probably the coolest thing I've seen a ship do since Moya's first Starburst. It's powered on Solar, so it's like lets take a dive into the star and refill our energy reserves, and the shield will hold. That scene, with the tense build up in music was this series' first AMAZING scene. Yeah it's early but to go from terror to jubilation was really an incredible feeling. In fact, this is what I wish dark shows would do more. It doesn't have to be grim dark all the time. There needs to be good and cheerful moments. Where BSG failed was when they had those cheerful moments, they were really really quick to make everything so depressing again. Here, we got to bask in it, and it was 5 episodes coming to a sense of relief that for now they were going to be fine. It was a great feeling. I really also like the idea of Rush saying it was his destiny to be here and then at the end we get the question of if he knew or not. The way he reacted I think he did know, but this might set up some interesting things going forward.
I think this episode has made me really excited for the series. I was going to watch it anyway because I'm almost done with Stargate and I can't stop now, but this was the first episode of this series to really make me sit up and take notice.
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