The Stargate Franchise - A First Timer's Watchthrough
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Progeny (SG: A)
I liked this episode, for the most part. There was good banter between McKay and Sheppard, I liked how much Weir got to do, and it was awesome to actually see the city (Yes, not Atlantis but close enough) fly. I did like David Ogden Steirs here. He was freaking creepy as the leader of these Replicators.
With that said, I have some concerns. I feel like this episode was like watching SG-1's "Unnatural Selection" Again, and I'm not sure how I feel about bringing the Replicators over to Atlantis. Yeah so in this Galaxy, the Ancients created this to fight the wraith, tried to destroy them and some survived bringing about a second replicator age. Then the end is the Atlantis crew tries to escape the Asurans, they freeze them, and it was basically a scene lifted out of US. I think what I liked this time was these replicators are ancient created, so there might be room for new stories to tell. The Replicators are a pretty interesting enemy, but I am worried they are like what Voyager did to the Borg.
I think overall, Progeny is a very good episode, but I liked Sateda better.
I liked this episode, for the most part. There was good banter between McKay and Sheppard, I liked how much Weir got to do, and it was awesome to actually see the city (Yes, not Atlantis but close enough) fly. I did like David Ogden Steirs here. He was freaking creepy as the leader of these Replicators.
With that said, I have some concerns. I feel like this episode was like watching SG-1's "Unnatural Selection" Again, and I'm not sure how I feel about bringing the Replicators over to Atlantis. Yeah so in this Galaxy, the Ancients created this to fight the wraith, tried to destroy them and some survived bringing about a second replicator age. Then the end is the Atlantis crew tries to escape the Asurans, they freeze them, and it was basically a scene lifted out of US. I think what I liked this time was these replicators are ancient created, so there might be room for new stories to tell. The Replicators are a pretty interesting enemy, but I am worried they are like what Voyager did to the Borg.
I think overall, Progeny is a very good episode, but I liked Sateda better.
I like "Progeny" for giving some good Ancient eye-candy, and also delivering on exactly the sequence I hoped would happen when I first heard about "The Tower" of them walking through the Stargate and thinking something had gone wrong when they came out in an identical gateroom.
However, it's also one of those episodes where a good talky idea is kneecapped to make room for an action-packed combat plotline.
Interestingly, the Replicators were originally invented as the main villain for Atlantis. SG-1 lingered on so long that they were defeated, and Atlantis had to re-invent them to be able to use them.
However, it's also one of those episodes where a good talky idea is kneecapped to make room for an action-packed combat plotline.
Interestingly, the Replicators were originally invented as the main villain for Atlantis. SG-1 lingered on so long that they were defeated, and Atlantis had to re-invent them to be able to use them.
Other than being created by the Ancients and not Reese, how did Atlantis reinvent them, or will I get there in the future? It seemed like Niem was a stand in for Fifth.
If than above question requires spoilers, than never mind. I'll find out eventually.
I always wondered though if maybe an Ancient created Reese? After all, Reese would have been created after the Ancients returned to Earth from Atlantis after submerging the city if I am keeping my timelines straight. So it is possible that an Ancient eventually came to that world and created Reese. Or maybe it's just my personal head canon to try find a cool link between the SG1 replicators and the Atlantis replicators.
Yeah, "Progeny" is a lot like "Unnatural Selection" IMO. Both feature human form replicators. Both involve our heroes duping one human form replicator. And both even have the same shot at the end of a frozen replicator. That is what I said in one my spoiler tags.
I'll stick it in spoilers just in case.
All I remember was the bridge because that's the only thing that happened on that awful show. And the fucking sex rocks.
And replicators suck on Atlantis.
And they suck in that SG1 movie too. Like if you can't think of anything better than quit and let someone else have the job.
I feel like the adage of “if at first you don’t succeed, try try again” applies here. If the ancients wanted to destroy their work because of what they could become, why try it again. Now you’re infecting two galaxies.
We are talking about the Ancients. LOL. Failed experiments is their specialty.
I think you have your seasons mixed up, the third season was Children of Earth, which was still made by BBC Wales, and as far as I've seen is considered the best part of the series by most fans. The fourth season, Miracle Day, is the one that was co-produced by the US premium cable channel Starz, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone say something positive about it. I've only seen the first one or two episodes of Miracle Day, and I don't remember what I thought of them. Children of Earth, on the other hand, I saw all the way through, and itcompletely blew me away. I still think it has pretty much the most heartbreaking ending in the entire Doctor Who franchise.
At least both of them got saved, unlike Atlantis.
Our Heroes didn't dupe Nyam though...they did bring him with them, and I would have liked to see how things might have played out if the other Replicators hadn't been able to overwrite him.
I think that would have been interesting if Niem had actually stayed as the replicator rebel and he could have ascended. It at least would have been different.
The Real World (SG: A)
I think one positive thing to having the Replicators on Atlantis is if they are telling good stories, I'm going to end up being all for it. This episode was great, as it showed a softer, more casual side of Weir we really haven't seen since the first episode with her and Simon. Yeah she was infected by Nanites, but there was good reason to believe that was real. It was also great to see Jack again and RDA pulled double duty for Episodes 6. Whether he is really General O'Neill or a Nanite version of General O'Neill, it is always great to see him. I kept asking as this episode was going why didn't she bring up any other member of the expedition and it did turn out that John was the blurred figure she was seeing. I kinda figured it out, but it was a nice reveal anyway. I didn't realize this was part of the Progeny story, but I think I liked part two more than I liked part 1. It allowed Tori Higginson a chance to shine, much like Sateda allowed Jason Memoa a chance to shine. I'm looking forward to the episodes where they give Luttrell or McGillion a chance to shine, even though the latter as been pretty good in the Michael storyline premiere. Overall though 6 episodes into Atlantis Season 3, I'm liking this season more than Season 2. If we get good Replicator storylines moving forward, I might even love Progeny more than I actually did.
Very true. I did actually appreciate how the Replicators came back, surprisingly, because I think they are one of the weaker aspects of SG-1. The Wraith give them a little bit more purpose.
It would be interesting to see what fans would think of the Asurans if the Replicators (especially the human-form ones) hadn't existed on SG-1 first.
I agree that Atlantis kind of did better with them by giving them a tragic background. Their anger with the Ancients makes sense, it just doesn't justify their actions.
I can't remember whether I wondered at the time whether Nyam was being entirely honest with Weir about their origins.
I agree that Atlantis kind of did better with them by giving them a tragic background. Their anger with the Ancients makes sense, it just doesn't justify their actions.
I can't remember whether I wondered at the time whether Nyam was being entirely honest with Weir about their origins.
Counterstrike (SG-1)
First of all, they got one of the most beautiful and talented actresses of the Genre to play Adria. (Morena Baccarin) That raises this episode up a few notches on it's own. Overall, this was a very good episode of SG-1 and a strong continuation of the Ori Arc. Things are basically falling apart, the Ancient weapon and Dakara is basically destroyed, and I was bummed that it looks like TPTB might have killed Jonas without even seeing it. Legara and Hebridan have fallen to the Ori. This is like Season 6 of DS9 when you had many planets falling to the Dominion. Also, the whole Free Jaffa nation might have been a mistake. Talk about something that didn't last long, but maybe it didn't get a chance to last long.
This was another great episode for Vala. There's such a complexity to her character that she can be so comical, but here you can really feel she is a concerned mother, and the scenes with her and Daniel and Daniel talking about Sha're were well done.
Memento Mori (SG-1)
Another Trust episode, this time dealing with Vala being mindscanned for information and then when something goes wrong, she loses her memory and has to build it back together. It was decent and the character moments (Cam and Vala in the Motel and Vala and Daniel's Hug) were nice. She didn't really do anything to earn the SG-1 badge though. I mean it's a nice sentiment, but if you're going to make her a part of the team, doing it in the last episode might have been better. Overall, it was ok, but not in the top of the season so far.
First of all, they got one of the most beautiful and talented actresses of the Genre to play Adria. (Morena Baccarin) That raises this episode up a few notches on it's own. Overall, this was a very good episode of SG-1 and a strong continuation of the Ori Arc. Things are basically falling apart, the Ancient weapon and Dakara is basically destroyed, and I was bummed that it looks like TPTB might have killed Jonas without even seeing it. Legara and Hebridan have fallen to the Ori. This is like Season 6 of DS9 when you had many planets falling to the Dominion. Also, the whole Free Jaffa nation might have been a mistake. Talk about something that didn't last long, but maybe it didn't get a chance to last long.
This was another great episode for Vala. There's such a complexity to her character that she can be so comical, but here you can really feel she is a concerned mother, and the scenes with her and Daniel and Daniel talking about Sha're were well done.
Memento Mori (SG-1)
Another Trust episode, this time dealing with Vala being mindscanned for information and then when something goes wrong, she loses her memory and has to build it back together. It was decent and the character moments (Cam and Vala in the Motel and Vala and Daniel's Hug) were nice. She didn't really do anything to earn the SG-1 badge though. I mean it's a nice sentiment, but if you're going to make her a part of the team, doing it in the last episode might have been better. Overall, it was ok, but not in the top of the season so far.
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I have not mixed them up. First two seasons aired on BBC 3 while season 3 aired on BBC1. Broader audience who never watched Torchwood before, and COE originally was written as a general sci-fi story. Fans were so pissed with the result that there were death threats to producers and writers at the time, which is taking it way too far.
Even taking that into account, a cynical side of me often wondered if the main reason these Replicators were emulating Ancients was because there were so many Ancient costumes, props, sets and ship designs sitting around it was felt they should find a way to bring them in on a regular basis. And to be honest, if it were that, I feel a better option would be to have been to introduce a villainous element of Ancients which had gone into hiding and survived all this time rather than make them Replicators who pretend to be Ancients.
They did that in the episode "Lost Tribe" with the rebel Asgard who were in hiding and who wanted to use the Attero Device against the Wraith and didn't care what damage it would do. They probably could have done this exact same plot with Ancients instead of Asgard. Is that what you have in mind?
Something like that, yeah. Only a bit larger in scale, as I'd still have them with their own city ship.
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