The Romulan Supernova: The final, canon word
- Thread starter F. King Daniel
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I just think it's hilarious that kurtzman was evil when the supernova threatening the galaxy now he's still evil because the supernova doesn't threaten the galaxy.
Geez, it's like Star Trek has never retconned it's own canon before..
Geez, it's like Star Trek has never retconned it's own canon before..
Woahwoahwoah--don't bring that shit in here, too!
Dr. Evil would do it for 1/25.
This was a good retcon I think. I was glad they ditched the "threaten the Galaxy" bit. It complicates the Red Matter issue, but they can just retcon that too if it ever comes up.
Clarification : No, the retcon I like. I meant forget the mind meld stuff. He retconned it. That's it. We dont have to make it fit anymore. They changed it.
Yeah, I am not a huge fan of Kurtzman, so the BrainGenius remark reflects that. I see in reading it now how it came across as the change is what I didnt like, not just him. But the retcon I like. The threaten the Galaxy bit was on the dumbest aspects of the 2009 movie, so this is a change I like.
Yeah, I am not a huge fan of Kurtzman, so the BrainGenius remark reflects that. I see in reading it now how it came across as the change is what I didnt like, not just him. But the retcon I like. The threaten the Galaxy bit was on the dumbest aspects of the 2009 movie, so this is a change I like.
That, believe it or not, is the most accurate description for Kurtzman's job.
Or things Braga had no involvement in at all. Like DS9, Insurrection, Nemesis, and that Star Trek The Beginning movie that Berman tried developing.My favorite is blaming Braga for stuff that happened before he was on staff.
That’s not true.
The absence of a capital world in an empire where its power is centralized would lead to widespread anarchy, both within and without their territory. If their capital world was the HQ for not just the Imperial Senate, but the Romulan Star Navy, the Tal Shiar, educational and research centers and a Romulan Stock Exchange, the Romulus Star Empire would be pretty screwed, even if all the elite member of society were evacuated. Simply because there would still be a major power vacuum and a serious market crash throughout the Romulan Star Empire. And a blackhole in place of their star means their other core worlds are dead anyways, since they would be no longer habitable.
There would be a whole bunch of various Romulan factions that would spring up from it:
- Romulan warlords
- Romulan pirates
- Romulans that hold the same amount of dislike and mistrust of the other major powers that the major powers do of them and want to re-engage in warfare with their perceived enemies
- Those that are trying to establish a Romulan Republic
- Those that want to revert to an isolationist 23rd century Romulan society
- Ultra hardliners that want to go back to 22nd Romulan society or earlier because they perceived 24th century Romulan society as too “progressive”
- Anti-technology Romulans that revert to an agrarian lifestyle
- Pacifist Romulans
- Romulans that voluntarily want to join either the Federation, the Klingon Empire, the Gorn Hegemony, the Cardassian Union, the Dominion or the Breen
- Romulans that want reunification with Vulcan, and even embrace logic
- Romulans that want a formal alliance with the Tholians
- Romulans that want to engage in trade and making profits like the Ferengi and nothing else
- Romulans that are relocating to the Delta Quadrant or even a new galaxy like Andromeda
And that’s not even accounting for the previously subjugated species like the Remans, that will have new found freedom.
A few of these listed could threaten the galaxy, from an astropolitical perspective, since it disrupts the established astropolitical order.
Basically, all the various factions were kept in line by a Romulus that ruled with an iron fist, and its absence changes everything and resulting in borders being redrawn altogether by other Romulans with widely varied visions creating their own little fiefdoms. And those fiefdoms could become empires of their own one day.
How big of a deal it was would've been dependent on how the governments reacted to it. In the Romulans case, they did very little, which is why it had such a devastating impact even with nearly a decade of fore knowledge.
Which is of course based on our climate crisis.
Unfortunately, very little of it is from the actual series, and is relegated to The Last Best Hope.
Ah, so it was clearly a hoax.
The insane chaos would be when trying to get billions off the planet. That is where I could see law and order breakdown. No doubt Senators, Governors and other elites and their families would be front loaded on the earliest evacs from the planet. How would that sit with billions of everyday Romulans, desperate to get off the planet by any means necessary. I can see immense waves of people showing up at pick up, evac points, trying to push through and get their own families rescued. No way that ends well.
So Chabon says they didn't use the name 'Hobus' because it isn't canon. He also says he would have probably used the name if he didn't dislike it
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Have I mentioned how much I like Chabon?
I thought up a possibility for how Romulus' sun could go supernova yet Spock realistically try to save Romulus by turning it into a black hole. The Romulan system is a binary system, with 2 stars. Only one of them is going supernova. If Spock turns that one into a black hole, there's still another star to provide warmth to Romulus.
Or then the black hole will merely make the exploding star behave. Might be having a hole in the guts of the star will shorten its lifetime by a few million years, much like a tapeworm in your tummy isn't good for longterm health. But the hole might still be better than no hole, in that it would contain the explosion. Or "absorb" it, as Spock puts it.
...The issue here is that Romulus explicitly is not a tight binary. We see the system, in diagrams and in action; it doesn't have two stars. Yet the wave of destruction definitely comes from the sunny side, that is, from the center of the system; the planet doesn't have two sunny sides or anything.
Timo Saloniemi
...The issue here is that Romulus explicitly is not a tight binary. We see the system, in diagrams and in action; it doesn't have two stars. Yet the wave of destruction definitely comes from the sunny side, that is, from the center of the system; the planet doesn't have two sunny sides or anything.
Timo Saloniemi
That would only make sense if he'd done it before the supernova happened and vaporized Romulus. The problem with the movie's story is that he still tried to do it afterward, when Romulus was already gone.
The claim was that he was trying to protect other systems from the blast, but that doesn't make any sense. It's like trying to defuse a bomb after it's blown up. The blast wave and radiation have already gone out, expanding away from the site of the explosion. Nothing you do at that site after the fact is going to suck it all back in.
