The rewatch is going well...
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Body and Soul- He laughed. And laughed. And laughed. One of my personal favorites...Robbie McNeil did a good job directing this. His verdict 'That was awesome'.
Nightingale- Was ok. No reason to skip although the writers went out of their way with all the heavy handed 'I AM THE CAPTAIN' thing with Kim but it would give us a glimpse into what kind of Captain he would be. Tuvok finally experiencing the pon farr. So did the hologram work for him or not Vorik? Or was the medicine/meditation/years of experience enough to even things out for Tuvok?
Flesh and Blood-The Doctor should have been punished in some way. Anything....Janeway should have demoted herself and thrown herself in the brig.
Yes I like Janeway. I liked the idea of revisiting the Hirogen and the call back to The Killing Game. I shouldn't be surprised that a hologram can develop meglomania considering what we had to endure with the Doctor during Virtuoso. That wasn't megalomania but whatever....Holograms can apparently get to the point where they are full of themselves.
Shattered-He liked the way they did a clip show/retrospective without it being a clip show. I liked it. I think Beltran said this was his least favorite episode? I did wonder though in the confrontation scene with Seska in Engineering why Paris went over the rail and Kim went under it? I wonder about things like that....Who was in command of the ship during the timeline with the grown Naomi and Icheb? Did Tuvok still succumb to that Vulcan mental illness? Did that mean that (gulp) Tom Paris was Captain? Kim finally got promoted and became his first Officer? Or would it be B'Elanna? I can't imagine her on the bridge (arguing with her husband all the time when she didn't agree to something
)...it would be best for everyone if she stayed downstairs in Engineering. I think about things like that too....
I can't believe we are winding down to the end of Season 7 but we did have two periods where he was stuck at home and there wasn't much else for him to do (He had knee surgery and we just went through a blizzard aka as Jonas) so he ran through a lot of episodes in a few days.
Nightingale- Was ok. No reason to skip although the writers went out of their way with all the heavy handed 'I AM THE CAPTAIN' thing with Kim but it would give us a glimpse into what kind of Captain he would be. Tuvok finally experiencing the pon farr. So did the hologram work for him or not Vorik? Or was the medicine/meditation/years of experience enough to even things out for Tuvok?
Flesh and Blood-The Doctor should have been punished in some way. Anything....Janeway should have demoted herself and thrown herself in the brig.
Yes I like Janeway. I liked the idea of revisiting the Hirogen and the call back to The Killing Game. I shouldn't be surprised that a hologram can develop meglomania considering what we had to endure with the Doctor during Virtuoso. That wasn't megalomania but whatever....Holograms can apparently get to the point where they are full of themselves.Shattered-He liked the way they did a clip show/retrospective without it being a clip show. I liked it. I think Beltran said this was his least favorite episode? I did wonder though in the confrontation scene with Seska in Engineering why Paris went over the rail and Kim went under it? I wonder about things like that....Who was in command of the ship during the timeline with the grown Naomi and Icheb? Did Tuvok still succumb to that Vulcan mental illness? Did that mean that (gulp) Tom Paris was Captain? Kim finally got promoted and became his first Officer? Or would it be B'Elanna? I can't imagine her on the bridge (arguing with her husband all the time when she didn't agree to something
)...it would be best for everyone if she stayed downstairs in Engineering. I think about things like that too....I can't believe we are winding down to the end of Season 7 but we did have two periods where he was stuck at home and there wasn't much else for him to do (He had knee surgery and we just went through a blizzard aka as Jonas) so he ran through a lot of episodes in a few days.
Beltran didn't like Shattered because he tried to 'think it through' and failed. He made a jackass of himself at the reunion. He couldn't understand why a chunk of the episode was convincing her of anything (Chak was selective actually. he was being vague until it suited him) when they could just stand at a window and see the constellations change. omg you're in her time, you dolt. so they're the same to her. That doesn't explain wtf you're doing there.
Flesh and Blood> Janeway as deep as that scene was and the music and all, it didn't save you. You punished Chakotay, Tuvok, Kim, and Paris for 'being who they are'.
Flesh and Blood> Janeway as deep as that scene was and the music and all, it didn't save you. You punished Chakotay, Tuvok, Kim, and Paris for 'being who they are'.
I love Shattered. Especially the serum that makes you invulnerable to time (even your clothes). And adult Niomi and Icheb who came from a reality that now doesn't exist.
I've often wondered how you'd feel if someone walked in and you found out that your reality wasn't the one anybody gave a shit about and was about to be wiped.
I've often wondered how you'd feel if someone walked in and you found out that your reality wasn't the one anybody gave a shit about and was about to be wiped.
Hi guys. I'm pretty new to this (and English is NOT my mother tongue) but I'm enjoying this thread tremendously.
Stardream: May I ask why you started with your husband's comments in Season three? They are pretty interesting - it would've been nice to read about his comments relating to the first two seasons.
Stardream: May I ask why you started with your husband's comments in Season three? They are pretty interesting - it would've been nice to read about his comments relating to the first two seasons.
I may not have written them all that clearly but his comments are there for the first two seasons.
Sorry ... it might have escaped my attention. :-)
That's ok.
These aren't real reviews. They are just ramblings so it would be easy to get confused.
Last night we watched Lineage. I make no secret of my dislike of B'Elanna's episodes but this one I liked. Perhaps it was the flashbacks which went into a greater depth explaining her angst or maybe because it was more or less shared with Tom. Husband liked it. When B'Elanna first started fooling around with the DNA and the holographic daughter his reaction was "Oh come on!" He thought the whole 'parasite' thing was funny. The first time I saw this I knew right away what her 'real' fear was...that Tom would leave her. It took husband a while to catch on about where she was coming from. A thumbs up episode.
Chuck at Sc Fi debris has this running joke about how hyper capable Tom is. He has yet to review this episode but when he does I hope he comments on how Tom and B'Elanna can conceive despite the high odds.
Repentance. I'm against the death penalty. Always have been. However the idea of allowing the family of the victim to determine the sentencing is interesting. I also wonder about how many people today who commit crimes really have a mental illness or defect of some kind that could be treated. There are a lot of interesting discussions hidden in this episode. It was sort of a Seven episode but it was more...indirect in most of the other Seven focused stories. It wasn't 'here is another story about Seven learning about her humanity'. This was more 'This is a story that affects Seven'. Subtle difference.
Prophecy. Wow. Baby already has her second episode.
I listened to a podcast featuring one of the writers of this episode and the original idea was completely different from what this turned into. The original story was to take place very early in the series. Voyager happened upon some Klingons in the Delta Quadrant and B'Elanna was to fall in love with a Klingon Engineer. It was to be a two parter, the first part was to end on a cliff hanger where B'Elanna had to make a choice to shoot either the Engineer or Chakotay (Or Tom-they hadn't decided at that point). The producers bought the story but kept putting it off. They had Romulans and Ferengi from the Alpha Quadrant early on and didn't want to overload the series with AQ species. Then the Borg was the focus and then they didn't want to compete with the Klingons on DS9. By that time the writers had put Tom and B'Elanna together so that killed the idea of her falling in love with a Klingon Engineer. All that was left of the original story was Voyager comes across some Klingons in the Delta Quadrant.
I would think the leader (I forgot his name. We called him 'Sisko voice') would have told those Klingons that B'Elanna was half human and her child 1/4 as soon as possible no matter if he 'thought it important or not.' His people obviously did. I know why he was so insistent on using her as a reason to put an end to their quest but still...he must have known that little fact would not go over well.
Seeing B'Elanna interact with other Klingons was cool. Husband thought the whole Neelix/Klingon woman was funny. I thought she should have kept chasing after Kim personally. I thought that was a lot funnier but that's just me.
So the writers forgot that Tom used to spend time doing Klingon martial arts programs just for fun? Ok. I don't know what the Klingon's definition of a 'noble house' is but I would think Tom coming from a long line of Admirals would count for something? It was nice to see Tom in a firefight again. I remember the first two seasons he was always fighting and shooting things but I could not remember the last time this happened. I'm sure it has but my mind is drawing a blank.
If anyone is interested this whole kuvah'magh plot point is a long continuous storyline in the re-launch novels. I think it might be the only story line begun by Christie Golden that Kirsten Byers continued. It goes over several books and I thought it was very exciting. Lots of fighting, running, hiding, intrigue...deception...betrayal. It's all there.
These aren't real reviews. They are just ramblings so it would be easy to get confused.
Last night we watched Lineage. I make no secret of my dislike of B'Elanna's episodes but this one I liked. Perhaps it was the flashbacks which went into a greater depth explaining her angst or maybe because it was more or less shared with Tom. Husband liked it. When B'Elanna first started fooling around with the DNA and the holographic daughter his reaction was "Oh come on!" He thought the whole 'parasite' thing was funny. The first time I saw this I knew right away what her 'real' fear was...that Tom would leave her. It took husband a while to catch on about where she was coming from. A thumbs up episode.
Chuck at Sc Fi debris has this running joke about how hyper capable Tom is. He has yet to review this episode but when he does I hope he comments on how Tom and B'Elanna can conceive despite the high odds.
Repentance. I'm against the death penalty. Always have been. However the idea of allowing the family of the victim to determine the sentencing is interesting. I also wonder about how many people today who commit crimes really have a mental illness or defect of some kind that could be treated. There are a lot of interesting discussions hidden in this episode. It was sort of a Seven episode but it was more...indirect in most of the other Seven focused stories. It wasn't 'here is another story about Seven learning about her humanity'. This was more 'This is a story that affects Seven'. Subtle difference.
Prophecy. Wow. Baby already has her second episode.
I listened to a podcast featuring one of the writers of this episode and the original idea was completely different from what this turned into. The original story was to take place very early in the series. Voyager happened upon some Klingons in the Delta Quadrant and B'Elanna was to fall in love with a Klingon Engineer. It was to be a two parter, the first part was to end on a cliff hanger where B'Elanna had to make a choice to shoot either the Engineer or Chakotay (Or Tom-they hadn't decided at that point). The producers bought the story but kept putting it off. They had Romulans and Ferengi from the Alpha Quadrant early on and didn't want to overload the series with AQ species. Then the Borg was the focus and then they didn't want to compete with the Klingons on DS9. By that time the writers had put Tom and B'Elanna together so that killed the idea of her falling in love with a Klingon Engineer. All that was left of the original story was Voyager comes across some Klingons in the Delta Quadrant.
I would think the leader (I forgot his name. We called him 'Sisko voice') would have told those Klingons that B'Elanna was half human and her child 1/4 as soon as possible no matter if he 'thought it important or not.' His people obviously did. I know why he was so insistent on using her as a reason to put an end to their quest but still...he must have known that little fact would not go over well.
Seeing B'Elanna interact with other Klingons was cool. Husband thought the whole Neelix/Klingon woman was funny. I thought she should have kept chasing after Kim personally. I thought that was a lot funnier but that's just me.
So the writers forgot that Tom used to spend time doing Klingon martial arts programs just for fun? Ok. I don't know what the Klingon's definition of a 'noble house' is but I would think Tom coming from a long line of Admirals would count for something? It was nice to see Tom in a firefight again. I remember the first two seasons he was always fighting and shooting things but I could not remember the last time this happened. I'm sure it has but my mind is drawing a blank.
If anyone is interested this whole kuvah'magh plot point is a long continuous storyline in the re-launch novels. I think it might be the only story line begun by Christie Golden that Kirsten Byers continued. It goes over several books and I thought it was very exciting. Lots of fighting, running, hiding, intrigue...deception...betrayal. It's all there.
You didn't mention the pointless, hilarious Klingon humping. I personally enjoyed Phillips recall of this and said he believes Neelix pretended she (that klingon) was the Captain. AHHAHA.
Sisko voice. I like that guy.
Repentance: Oh I'm all for the fryer. What a waste of tax dollars on certain monsters. But not everyone. sometimes and it's hard to imagine but, it's a life changing choice vs monster. My sister's killer isn't a monster but he made a choice that he needs to live with. If the prison population kills him, fine but he may be rehabilitated after his 40 year sentence. who knows. If he is a true socio path I doubt it. I sat at the trial and when I listened to his parents. The flip of a switch in his head that made him a killer made a lot of sense. His mother should join him behind bars. sociopaths, the detective called them. the whole bunch. and killing him for punishment is exactly what he wanted if he couldn't get an early release as a born again convict helper. Why make it easy for him when she didn't have an easy death? pshh.
Sisko voice. I like that guy.
Repentance: Oh I'm all for the fryer. What a waste of tax dollars on certain monsters. But not everyone. sometimes and it's hard to imagine but, it's a life changing choice vs monster. My sister's killer isn't a monster but he made a choice that he needs to live with. If the prison population kills him, fine but he may be rehabilitated after his 40 year sentence. who knows. If he is a true socio path I doubt it. I sat at the trial and when I listened to his parents. The flip of a switch in his head that made him a killer made a lot of sense. His mother should join him behind bars. sociopaths, the detective called them. the whole bunch. and killing him for punishment is exactly what he wanted if he couldn't get an early release as a born again convict helper. Why make it easy for him when she didn't have an easy death? pshh.
I'm so sorry for what happened to your family.
On the flip side of that someone in my extended family was executed for a crime he did not commit. The real killer confessed on his death bed but before that happened even the victim's family wasn't convinced that my great uncle was the one who committed the crime. He was part Native American which may or may not have anything to do with the verdict. It was a long time ago but I would say it wasn't until my generation that the family finally recovered from that.
Captain Janeway.....that's funny.
The Void-Um..haven't we already been in a dark region of space before inhabited by indigenous people? Yes..but this time there is an alliance!
Workforce-He liked this for the most part. At first he thought this was an attempt to show them deciding to 'settle down' and just live out their lives in the DQ. Janeway's 'romance' might have been a bit more believable if they had been there for several months and we came in while the friendship was already established but that would mean the away mission lasted for a long time...or they spent a long time searching for them.
Why didn't they keep Tom and B'Elanna together? Why separate them? Their medical technology seemed to be fairly sophisticated...surely they could scan her and find out the baby shared DNA with Paris? I always thought it was a bit of a cheat when they showed all this build up to them finding each other again and then we didn't see their reunion...but whatever. At least we saw them back together again. Where were Naomi and Icheb?
'Hey...it's that guy from Happy Days!"
He wasn't too impressed with Human Error. At least there is a tiny hint about her and Chakotay...I know this is sort of a follow up to Unimatrix Zero but UZ was probably my least favorite of all the two parters.
He was bemoaning the fact that it will soon be over. He's thinking about watching DS9 again...which is perfectly ok with me.
Workforce-He liked this for the most part. At first he thought this was an attempt to show them deciding to 'settle down' and just live out their lives in the DQ. Janeway's 'romance' might have been a bit more believable if they had been there for several months and we came in while the friendship was already established but that would mean the away mission lasted for a long time...or they spent a long time searching for them.
Why didn't they keep Tom and B'Elanna together? Why separate them? Their medical technology seemed to be fairly sophisticated...surely they could scan her and find out the baby shared DNA with Paris? I always thought it was a bit of a cheat when they showed all this build up to them finding each other again and then we didn't see their reunion...but whatever. At least we saw them back together again. Where were Naomi and Icheb?
'Hey...it's that guy from Happy Days!"
He wasn't too impressed with Human Error. At least there is a tiny hint about her and Chakotay...I know this is sort of a follow up to Unimatrix Zero but UZ was probably my least favorite of all the two parters.
He was bemoaning the fact that it will soon be over. He's thinking about watching DS9 again...which is perfectly ok with me.
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Author Author!- He saw the similarities to "The Measure of a Man' as soon as the hearing started (Nice to see Joseph Campanella) and thought that was the better episode BUT having said that he thoroughly enjoyed all the holo novel back and forth nonsense between Tom and the Doctor. He also liked seeing an 'evil' version of Torres since she didn't get a chance to show up on 'Living Witness'.
The question was asked which I have wondered about...after all the angst about his daddy issues why did they never show Tom and his father having screen time together? I mean we 'saw' them when they were part of a group but no one on one time? Or were we supposed to think that was all resolved by the one line of dialogue in 'Pathfinder'?
The question was asked which I have wondered about...after all the angst about his daddy issues why did they never show Tom and his father having screen time together? I mean we 'saw' them when they were part of a group but no one on one time? Or were we supposed to think that was all resolved by the one line of dialogue in 'Pathfinder'?
Just re-watched The Threshold this afternoon. Robert McNeil's performance was particularly good though the "salamanders" part was ridiculous.
My question are:
- IF the Docotor managed to restore a human shape to Captain Janeway and Tom Paris, would he have been able to make it the same for their 3 "youngs" if If they had come back on the vessel?
- Why Chakotay and Tuvok made the decision to abandon the young salamanders on this planet, leaving them with a certain death?
I guess that my questions are stupid but well, I'm curious.
My question are:
- IF the Docotor managed to restore a human shape to Captain Janeway and Tom Paris, would he have been able to make it the same for their 3 "youngs" if If they had come back on the vessel?
- Why Chakotay and Tuvok made the decision to abandon the young salamanders on this planet, leaving them with a certain death?
I guess that my questions are stupid but well, I'm curious.
Just re-watched The Threshold this afternoon. Robert McNeil's performance was particularly good though the "salamanders" part was ridiculous.
My question are:
- IF the Docotor managed to restore a human shape to Captain Janeway and Tom Paris, would he have been able to make it the same for their 3 "youngs" if If they had come back on the vessel?
- Why Chakotay and Tuvok made the decision to abandon the young salamanders on this planet, leaving them with a certain death?
I guess that my questions are stupid but well, I'm curious.
Yes, McNeil gets the 'best acting in a bad episode' award.
Those are not stupid questions. We have wondered about those same things for years.
I had a pang of anxiety for them that Chakotay got to make the call on the abandonment.
I guess it was either get into this cooky episode or laugh and slide off the chair.
Voy producers missed some good opportunities to answer the big questions like wth do we do with baby lizards now?
I guess it was either get into this cooky episode or laugh and slide off the chair.
Voy producers missed some good opportunities to answer the big questions like wth do we do with baby lizards now?
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