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The Penguin Episode Discussion thread.
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So, just me?
I watch most everything with the subtitles on so I'm not the best person to ask.
Wow, that felt really dark.
It's nice to know that regardless of the adaptation, Arkham remains an awful place that only makes things worse by virtue of existing.
Cristin Milioti was amazing. Sofia feels unhinged, but utterly understandable. You can't necessarily root for her, because she's such a monster (though not a complete monster, as the greenhouse reveals). But the tragedy of how she became such is utterly horrifying.
It's nice to know that regardless of the adaptation, Arkham remains an awful place that only makes things worse by virtue of existing.
Cristin Milioti was amazing. Sofia feels unhinged, but utterly understandable. You can't necessarily root for her, because she's such a monster (though not a complete monster, as the greenhouse reveals). But the tragedy of how she became such is utterly horrifying.
Definitely! I really felt for Sofia, especially when she realized what really happened to her mother. And her brother, dickish as he was, was still the only one there for her. No wonder she was so pained by his death.
Damn, that was one hell of an episode, so far the best.
Millioti knocked it out of the park here, really great and actually sad performance. It reminds me of Phoenix' Joker ( the first movie) that has shown that our environment can, to no fault of our own, turn is into monsters and here it happened again.
For a second i was scared she'd do something to the kid instead of taking out the family but she didn't - hard to feel bad for the mafia family though and what they did to her.
I also didn't expect that she would get to know the truth about her brother's death so soon but now i can't wait for the next episode to continue the main storyline. This show is firing on all cylinders right now, i love it.
Millioti knocked it out of the park here, really great and actually sad performance. It reminds me of Phoenix' Joker ( the first movie) that has shown that our environment can, to no fault of our own, turn is into monsters and here it happened again.
For a second i was scared she'd do something to the kid instead of taking out the family but she didn't - hard to feel bad for the mafia family though and what they did to her.
I also didn't expect that she would get to know the truth about her brother's death so soon but now i can't wait for the next episode to continue the main storyline. This show is firing on all cylinders right now, i love it.
Yes, fantastic episode, and I can only echo what you two said about Millioti's performance.
But I also loved the character moments with Oswald in the episode. Where we see him and Sofia in a relationship that felt more like friendship. And when Oswald tries to warn her after the meeting with Summer Gleason, just when she began to realize that her father killed her mother, she lashed out at him, saying he was just her driver. So you also understand Oswald for feeling betrayed.
Especially before she gets arrested, and she accuses him of betraying her by going to her father instead of talking to her. Which, while Oswald doesn't say it, we the audience know he tried to do exactly that.
Yeah, great writing, great performances.
But I also loved the character moments with Oswald in the episode. Where we see him and Sofia in a relationship that felt more like friendship. And when Oswald tries to warn her after the meeting with Summer Gleason, just when she began to realize that her father killed her mother, she lashed out at him, saying he was just her driver. So you also understand Oswald for feeling betrayed.
Especially before she gets arrested, and she accuses him of betraying her by going to her father instead of talking to her. Which, while Oswald doesn't say it, we the audience know he tried to do exactly that.
Yeah, great writing, great performances.
I missed that--when/where did it happen in the episode? Definitely a great piece of television.
When the Maronis had Oz and Sophia cornered
At the beginning? Or at the end of the previous episode?
The beginning when they were about to be executed.
Okay, thanks. I was getting snacks or something probably.
Yeah, it was more than just a recap of the last episode's final scenes. New info was given.
The way Nadia died was really silly.
We have veeeery different definitions of the word silly if
"being burned alive with your son"
Things are heating up fast as expected, now "poor" Oz has to deal with 2 enemy families and i sincerely doubt he had it planned like that but he's scrambling to stay ahead so there's that. While some reviewers are glad the flashbacks seem to be done i loved them and they were necessary to flesh out the characters. The way the show developed we knew things had to speed up.
Milioti continues to shine as the deranged heir to the Falcone family and the promise is she will go way darker than any previous Falcone. They created their monster and paid the price.
What i love is how they took a typical outlandish superhero villain like the Penguin and made him feel real while keeping some elements of the original character like the Penguin waddle that's now a bad leg and the new underground damp base but perfect for growing those mushrooms. Real creativity here and while i enjoyed the Burton style flashy Batman movies from the 90s i much prefer this gritty version of the characters.
Milioti continues to shine as the deranged heir to the Falcone family and the promise is she will go way darker than any previous Falcone. They created their monster and paid the price.
What i love is how they took a typical outlandish superhero villain like the Penguin and made him feel real while keeping some elements of the original character like the Penguin waddle that's now a bad leg and the new underground damp base but perfect for growing those mushrooms. Real creativity here and while i enjoyed the Burton style flashy Batman movies from the 90s i much prefer this gritty version of the characters.
I like this show but it feels like an R rated version of Gotham.
She is continuously blowing me away. If this show wasn't called "The Penguin," I'd root for her to win the gang wars. Taking her mother's maiden name actually choked me up a bit.
The best villains always have actual motivations to be who they are, well.. apart from the Joker who's just nuts
Prior to Arkham she would just been a regular member of the Falcone family, living life as she would see fit and probably not been too involved in the business. The family and her father made her what she is today and to me that's more tragic than anything else. Very well written and brilliantly played.
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