The Penguin Episode Discussion thread.

I watched this instead of Agatha All Along because I promised my kids that I would watch that series with them. I was shocked by how good it was.

Colin Farrell is such a great actor and he is fantastic in this. The scene with him and Clancy Brown as Sal Marino was riveting. I have to admit I didn't clue into what Oswald was planning there until the end scene.

The scene with his mother was well done as well, as I was wondering how her character would be portrayed in this series. I like how aspects of the character are being reworked.

Like Lex Luthor, I think The Penguin works very well when he is not the main villain and I'm hoping he is a supporting character in the next Batman movie rather than the main villain. Batman has such a great rogues gallery, it would be fun to see a villain we haven't really had on the big screen yet--or like the Riddler, a character who hasn't really had a movie that has done them justice.

The one aspect I'm not sold on yet is Oswald's sidekick. It was interesting seeing the growth in his character over a single episode, but I am wondering if he will continue to work with The Penguin beyond this series or if he is being set up to become a victim.
 
I was initially a little unsure but the episode grew on me. Farrell is excellent, and it's good to remember that not all of Batman's foes are psychopaths. Cobb (not sure about that truncation but I can see why they did it) is a ruthless killer, but has some empathy at least. There's always something interesting about these kinds of stories where someone works there way up the ladder into a position of control, whether it's a fantasy situation like game of thrones, something political or crime.

Always nice to see Clancy Brown. I didn't immediately realise that Mark Strong is now playing Carmine in flashbacks. Guessing they couldn't get or afford Turtorro.

I think you're right about Penguin working best with Bats when he isn't the main villain @theenglish and let's hope they keep Penguin around for however many films they do. I agree also about the kid. He isn't a terrible actor but he feels very out of place at the moment, the role is a bit bland. Then again let's hope he's been cast to grow and change with time. I still recall when I watched the first season of Gotham and I thought Erin Richards was a very bland actress, but it was the part she was initially asked to play. Once Barbara when nuts Richards really came into her own and I could see she was a way better actor than I'd given her credit for.

And on that note I'll finish up by saying how great I thought Cristin Milioti was, it's going to be a lot of fun watching Oz and Sofia circling around each other.
 
Cobb (not sure about that truncation but I can see why they did it)

In the written material I've seen (but I admit I didn't look for it in the credits), his name is still Cobblepot--so, I assumed Cobb wasn't his legal last name, just what he goes by.
 
theenglish said:
Like Lex Luthor, I think The Penguin works very well when he is not the main villain and I'm hoping he is a supporting character in the next Batman movie rather than the main villain.
Going by the end of the first film, it seems like they're heading for you-know-who... but with a casting choice that I find somewhat perplexing.
The scene with him and Clancy Brown as Sal Marino was riveting.
Maroni, not Marino.
 
Going by the end of the first film, it seems like they're heading for you-know-who... but with a casting choice that I find somewhat perplexing.

Maroni, not Marino.

Barry Keoghan as the Joker?

I think it's very good casting (not that we need to see you know who again)
 
Thought it was solid, though I can understand why people might not like it.

Cristin Milotti I've only really seen her once before and her character here is rather different (I know, acting) and I thought she played this role rather well too.
 
It was good. I didn't see anything in it to distinguish itself as a crime series set in the world of 'The Batman'. This easily could have just been a regular gangster/crime series. Unless they pull in other elements from the history of Batman and his rogues I'm not sure what the point of this is, other than it's an IP to cash in on and get eyes on it.
 
Unless they pull in other elements from the history of Batman and his rogues I'm not sure what the point of this is, other than it's an IP to cash in on and get eyes on it.
Isn't that the point? That and a story the writer/producer/director wanted to tell? Money talks.
 
I'm not exactly a fan of Matt Reeve's "The Batman". It was okay to me, but it didn't exactly float my boat. But I did enjoy this first episode of "The Penguin" more than I thought I would.
 
I didn't immediately realise that Mark Strong is now playing Carmine in flashbacks. Guessing they couldn't get or afford Turtorro.

Per series creator Lauren LeFranc:

"Well, practically, John was just unavailable to us. He had scheduling conflicts, and we couldn't make it work, but honestly, I'm so thrilled that we brought Mark Strong on. I think he's really good. Even though, maybe in the beginning when you first meet him, you might think, 'Oh. Well, for fans of 'The Batman,' I'm so used to John Turturro,' and obviously John's a great actor, but I feel like the gravitas that Mark brings, it's different. It's very specific, and I hope, by the end of that episode, you're just thinking, 'That's Carmine Falcone,' and you're engaged in what Mark brings to it."
 
You're right, I missed that part ( that it wasn't Turturro ). I only remembered the shot of his body on the street and that could have been anyone.
 
I got a little confused because of when it premiered, but it looks like new episodes drop on Sundays.

In her nightmare/therapy session, I found myself wondering if Sophia really was "The Hangman" or if she survived an attempt by him on her life.

Oz's mom makes me sad. However, since he lied about her being dead, I'm guessing Vic is the only person who knows about her. Also, interesting that Oz's brothers are dead.

He is being shown as a both a master manipulator and someone who adapts and thinks on his feet. I really like this version.
 
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