THE ORVILLE Season Two...

[BillJ]

Far too much American sci-fi of the past decade tries too hard to incorporate elements from Firefly or Ron Moore's BSG. IMO, the fact that Orville doesn't makes it stand out among the herd.

Winner!

 

[LJones41]

Far too much American sci-fi of the past decade tries too hard to incorporate elements from Firefly or Ron Moore's BSG. IMO, the fact that Orville doesn't makes it stand out among the herd.

So what? Are we back on the "let's try to avoid the angst in pop culture . . .unless it's the MCU" hypocrisy again?

 

[RandyS]

So what? Are we back on the "let's try to avoid the angst in pop culture . . .unless it's the MCU" hypocrisy again?

I don't see it as "avoid" so much as "scale it back a bit". You have to admit, sci-fi (among other things) has been pretty dark these last fifteen years.

What's so bad about having a light-hearted show for a while?

 

[JD]

So what? Are we back on the "let's try to avoid the angst in pop culture . . .unless it's the MCU" hypocrisy again?

Can we just have one thread where you don't drag the MCU and how much you hate it into the conversation, please? Nobody mentioned the MCU and the MCU has nothing whatsoever to do with the new Lost in Space, so I really don't see why this post was necessary.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

So what?

It's nice that a sci fi show doesn't aim to be melodramatic and depressing but rather optimistic and positive for a change.

 

[Mudd]

So what? Are we back on the "let's try to avoid the angst in pop culture . . .unless it's the MCU" hypocrisy again?

Not a fan of the MCU, here. A swing and a miss, there.

Now...at some point you really ought to stop reacting to the straw men you prop up in this topic, and address something that other posters actually post. Just as an exercise, you know?

 

[Mudd]

Woot!

Mainly stuff we've seen before, rearranged - a few new shots.

Still, a hell of a lot more fun than watching folks shadow box with straw men.

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[CaptainMurdock]

I'm ready!

 

[gblews]

I swear, in the past four or five years in particular, it feels like I've become many adults I associated with growing up complaining about modern music being crap and inferior to what I grew up with. And the sad thing is, with my teenage years being in the late 90s and early 00s, the music I grew up with was crap to begin with. But I'll gladly listen to it over what passes as popular music these days.

Not liking or being able to relate to, or even understanding, the music of subsequent generations is a right of passage that hits most of us, albeit at different points in our lives. The older one gets, the more difficult it is to relate to whatever the "new" music of the day may be. Doesn't matter the generation, it will strike us all.

It takes a real willingness to set aside prejudices and what is familiar, in order to find what may be good about "young people's" music.

Maybe it doesn't reinvent the wheel, but it does present the wheel in a fresh new and exciting way. One of the more frustrating aspects of modern Trek is that as the shows went on they gradually wore down to just retelling the same stories over and over again. Also, they insisted on loading the main cast with bridge officers and department heads, but then only bothered with a select few characters while everyone else just did their jobs and spewed jargon.

Whoa, right up to the word "jargon", I thought you were talking about ST: DSC. Seriously.

I do feel after one season of twelve episodes I know these characters as people a lot more than I do the TNG characters after seven twenty-six episode seasons and four movies.

I find this nearly impossible to believe. But if this is really true, I can only surmise that you didn't pay much attention to TNG. And that's quite understandable. Maybe you didn't think much of the show.

 

[fireproof78]

So what? Are we back on the "let's try to avoid the angst in pop culture . . .unless it's the MCU" hypocrisy again?

No.

 

[LJones41]

It's nice that a sci fi show doesn't aim to be melodramatic and depressing but rather optimistic and positive for a change.

So. a show cannot provide stories that are both? You know what? Fuck it. I'm getting tired of these demands that sci-fi/fantasy movies and television should be "happy, light and non challenging". I guess geek fandom has finally lost its balls.

 

[thribs]

I didn’t say that the music is bad. Just that I’m not aware of who all these new people are. Like the the one that rapper upstaged or the one who lead that concert where that shooting occurred.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

So. a show cannot provide stories that are both?

The Orville manages to do it quite well. As I've mentioned on this very thread. Into The Fold and Firestorm are my favorite episodes of season 1. Both stories that are drama heavy and low on comedy. It's compelling drama I like. Not melodrama.

You know what? Fuck it. I'm getting tired of these demands that sci-fi/fantasy movies and television should be "happy, light and non challenging".

I don't have a problem with challenging sci fi. I just have problems with badly written sci fi with unlikable characters I don't care about and that is joyless and makes me regret watching.

I guess geek fandom has finally lost its balls.

Now what's that supposed to mean?

 

[Mudd]

I don't have a problem with challenging sci fi. I just have problems with badly written sci fi with unlikable characters I don't care about and that is joyless and makes me regret watching.

There is nothing "challenging" in any way about current Trek, unless you mean challenging to one's patience. Hasn't been in quite a while.

Orville really isn't, either.

Mention Westworld as challenging - it is - and TV sci-fi geeks will launch into a list of its faults.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

There is nothing "challenging" in any way about current Trek, unless you mean challenging to one's patience. Hasn't been in quite a while.

Orville really isn't, either.

Mention Westworld as challenging - it is - and TV sci-fi geeks will launch into a list of its faults.

I wasn't really referring to anything specific by challenging scifi. I don't even know what challenging sci fi is.

 

[JD]

So. a show cannot provide stories that are both? You know what? Fuck it. I'm getting tired of these demands that sci-fi/fantasy movies and television should be "happy, light and non challenging". I guess geek fandom has finally lost its balls.

I don't think anybody is demanding that every show is be "happy and light, and non-challenging", but when the vast majority of shows are the exact opposite of that, it's nice to get one that is.

 

[BillJ]

So. a show cannot provide stories that are both? You know what? Fuck it. I'm getting tired of these demands that sci-fi/fantasy movies and television should be "happy, light and non challenging". I guess geek fandom has finally lost its balls.

Might want to try some decaf?

I like optimistic fare (not quite sure why it can't be challenging). I also like dystopian fare. There's room on the dial for both.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

So. a show cannot provide stories that are both?

Both depressing and optimistic?!

 

[Mudd]

A well-written show can tell many kinds of good stories.

 

[BillJ]

A well-written show can tell many kinds of good stories.

I'd say "Krill" definitely ended on an ominous down note. With a definite nod to modern terrorism and the fallout.