THE ORVILLE S1, E9: "CUPID'S DAGGER"

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  1. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

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    Really the only "offensive" thing for me in it is probably the stuff with Finn, she'd made her feelings on the matter with Yaphet very, very clear so he had no reason in the universe to believe when she showed up at his door she was genuinely wanting action. It was just convenient for him. Every other aspect of the episode is easier to cope with when it comes to "love potion" notion as it was more or less harmless in the triangle of Ed, Kelly and Blue Rob Lowe/Blue Crosby mostly because of the history there, the implications on Ed and Kelly's divorce and the comedic "irony" of Ed falling for the guy who broke-up his marriage.

    The Yaphet stuff is, for me, where the episode falls apart. Maybe if we hadn't seen the doctor and Yaphet have several other encounters in the past where she's had to rebuff his advances and lewd suggestions it would've been easier to deal with if this was the first time we saw this interaction and Finn's response was similar to how was the first time we saw this (amused, flattered but not interested) then Yaphet's acceptance of it might better fit under "she was trying to be professional in sickbay and now she's off the clock and in my room she's letting her figurative hair down.) But we've seen this Finn and Yaphet interaction three or four other times now as it was kind of an uncomfortable running gag in the show that this professional woman, in her place of work, on a vessel she has to live on for however, long one of the beings who is one of her patients no matter what by default is constantly making lewd advances on her and she constantly has to turn him down.

    Maybe if this particular reaction was more flattery with polite refusal due to the practical implications of them being physically incompatible it would've gone down better. But no, she gets pissed, clearly has had enough and she tells the [guy] to knock it off or she's going to report him. Then some fucked-up alien biology conspires to screw with her head and now she has memories she probably doesn't want because an essential co-worker had apparently forgotten the events of every single one of their recent interactions and fucked her. Several times.

    The Perfect Mate works because no one is harmed in the events of the episode, no one has a crime committed against them people just act lustful over this woman a little bit when she's around. Here it's very different as, in the case with the doctor, she had her wishes and true desires denied and ignored.

    Without the doctor/Yaphet stuff the episode would've worked better as really that's where my biggest issue is because the very idea of it makes me uncomfortable in the way all forms of rape should make people uncomfortable.

    The running gag with the guy and the music in the elevator, though, was pretty funny stuff.
     
  2. Photoman15

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    Who here can say exactly how Yaphet thinks? He's an alien. Different culture, different ideas. He may not know that it is unlikely for a switch like Finn displayed to happen with humans.
     
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  3. Tesophius

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    Pretty disappointed by this episode 4/10. This was as bad as half of STD. The premise could have been interesting, classic TNG, but the whole darullio plot was a miss.

    I did like some Yaphit moments.
     
  4. McDuff

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    The episode was fun and enjoyable but I felt it was a bit too goofy, easy humor without much meat to the story. I felt like I was watching some random comedy TV show that I don't usually watch. It made me laugh, smile and have fun even if I wouldn't not normally watch this TV show (as nobody watch every TV shows on TV). Maybe it could have worked for me as a sort of b story, maybe only the Yaphet/Doctor bit or the Mercer/Grayson bit. The Orville's social media democracy episode (among others), or most Doctor Who episodes, had some meat to the story even if there's a lot of comedy. This one was analogous to an alien virus rendering our favorite characters less sexually inhibited and thus forming odd couples and have sex. Nothing made the episode stand out compared to similar stories elsewhere. The only upside was it referred and moved forward the Ed/Kelly and the Finn/Yaphet storylines. The Alien conflict part was relegated to a background issue and didn't provide any substance to the story (and ends in a too ridiculous note for my taste).
     
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  5. The Wormhole

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    Don't know if "thicker skin" is the term I'd use, but I do have to wonder what those offended were expecting. It's been said in other threads about this show, this is a Seth MacFarlane show and so far it hasn't really crossed any line that previous Seth MacFarlane shows haven't. Indeed, if anything it's remarkably tame by his standards.

    For example, Family Guy is a show which has never shied away from making jokes about rape and sexual deviancy. It's supporting cast includes a serial rapist and a pedophile. It's a show which has made some pretty offensive remarks about rape and rape culture. There was one of their "cutaway gags" which featured Marge Simpson getting raped and another which made fun of Elizabeth Smart.

    Family Guy's been on the air for eighteen years. Everyone is aware of it to some degree. Everyone knows what to expect from the name Seth MacFarlane. If you're going to sit down and watch another Seth MacFarlane show, don't get upset at it for being a Seth MacFarlane show.
     
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  6. Mark_Nguyen

    Mark_Nguyen Commodore Commodore

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    I dunno. Steven Moffatt also created Coupling, and at no point did I expect any character on Doctor Who to wander about for an episode spouting dialog mostly consisting of variations on the word "breasts".

    Doctor Who is emphatically a family show and arguably nothing MacFarlane has done can be considered PG-rated, but I'd give him more credit than this, personally.

    Mark
     
  7. tharpdevenport

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    Discounting the first couple of episodes, this was the weakest yet. Still superior to ST: TNG's awful "The Naked Now".


    Sooo ... did Ed do it or not?



    And if Yaphit can get it from Darulios' cloths, then was there a secret elevator orgy we didn't see? Ed patted that alien with the big head on a shoulder.
     
  8. Mr. Adventure

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    Shooting the messenger, eh?

    If so, you know the music was fabulous!
     
  9. Mark_Nguyen

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    I don't think so.. It was not a transmittable disease, it was straight from blue to the recipient, except in the case of Yaphet, where he passed it to Finn.

    I didn't realize I'd be having so much fun analyzing the Union ships on this show. With the USS Olympia, we've now seen a slightly smaller ship than the Orville, and it seems to share a lot of the same hull compnents (both as a CG model and in-universe). I'm assimoing that this is the same model we fleetingly saw in the premiere. Lots to mine from the brief shots we see.

    Mark

    Mark
     
  10. Scott Delaney

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    Anyone else thinking that was Tom Hanks as the alien karaoke MC?
     
  11. Mr. Adventure

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    What is up with that rec room furniture, though? I keep forgetting to mention it but it is conspicuously crappy, some particleboard tables and hard plastic chairs. Is that a deliberate spoof on the furnishings on Trek and other shows?
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  12. Nerys Myk

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    The plot on this one was a bit too predictable. Saved by the humor,though.
     
  13. JD

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  14. Skipper

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    I have no idea if it's relevant in any way, but the episode was written by a woman
     
  15. Salinga

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    In general I find the interior design of the sets lacking/lazy. The Orville is a ship with an organic, very curvy flow outside, so the inside should reflect this. Instead it is bland with sharp edges at 90 degrees. A sign that two design teams havent worked together and their concept was slapped together in the end.
     
  16. JD

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    Wow, I'd never seen that Marge Simpson bit before, that is just downright disturbing. I used to really enjoy family guy, but I don't know if it just me, but it seemed like that kind of stuff got worse and worse as it went on. They finally lost me when Peter was raped by a bull at a rodeo and then repeated harassed on the phone, and whole thing was treated as a big "joke".
     
  17. tharpdevenport

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    You know what might have made it better -- if the way to counteract the pheromone was to get angry/sad (like Kelly did) and it erodes the pheromones' affect.
     
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  18. Owain Taggart

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    If anything, while watching it, I felt like it was a parallel to how Orion slave girls were affecting men, only that this time, it was affecting both sexes. I don't think he realized that anyone was compromised until he was confronted.
     
  19. Mark_Nguyen

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    I thought it a nice touch to have some organic-looking accents to an otherwise artificial and sterile spaceship motif. Kinda like how the horseshoe on the Enterprise-D was wood.

    But in this case, it sorta makes the mess hall look like an Apple store.

    Mark
     
  20. BillJ

    BillJ History's Greatest Monster Premium Member

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    Probably just the more economical way to go. Not every show gets Discovery's $8.5 million dollar an episode budget.