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[M'rk son of Mogh]

The last three films were so fantastically good!!!!! I think they will still have to make a new Star trek film with the same cast
Its just a question of when.?????

"When" is easy, the best time to have done that was 4-5 years ago when there was momentum. The longer they waited, the closer to "never again" this was becoming (with this cast) which is such a shame as they were all so good together. Beyond was my favourite of the bunch so I was more pumped than ever to see the next installment. But as time went on and as the streaming shows took off, a new movie just didn't feel as special anymore.

Put a fork in it, Trek is streaming now.

 

[fireproof78]

Wonder if the phenomenal reception and success of Strange New Worlds was a factor in the decision to scrap ST 4. Paramount is now looking at something new to totally change direction for the movies.

I would say it is a multiple amount of factors, but this is probably one. Krik and Company are now taken up by Strange New Worlds, as well as the immense amount of money put in to try and make it work, failing at it, and doing it again. At some point in time it's best to let it sit, stop dropping money on something and go with what is making money.

 

[Nightowl1701]

Just as well. If they can't - or won't - put in the effort to do it right, then don't bother. I'd rather wait another ten years and start over again with yet another cast if it meant we'd get a good movie.

 

[Dee1891]

I would say it is a multiple amount of factors, but this is probably one. Krik and Company are now taken up by Strange New Worlds, as well as the immense amount of money put in to try and make it work, failing at it, and doing it again. At some point in time it's best to let it sit, stop dropping money on something and go with what is making money.

Just Strange New Worlds? I could have sworn there were other Trek shows in existence right now.

 

[wayoung]

Just Strange New Worlds? I could have sworn there were other Trek shows in existence right now.

...Did you not read the post? He specifies SNW because it has Kirk and the TOS crew.

 

[Search4]

I suspect Picard may get a movie. SNW may get one when they handover the Enterprise to Kirk. These are potential blockbuster premises (mind you there’s no story in these sentences yet). Sure seems like the Kelvin universe is gone.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Wrong.
You are 100%, irrefutable, undebatably wrong.

The exact opposite of what you are saying is true.
Paramount's streaming division is not profitable. They are not making money, they are losing money.

Paramount's streaming division lost $456m in Q1 2022 and $445m in Q2 2022.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/b...t-stock-analysts-streaming-losses-1235192656/


https://deadline.com/2022/08/paramo...amount-streaming-content-spending-1235084972/


Do you even read the articles that you are linking and comprehend what they are saying?

Paramount's TV (and movie) division is profitable.

$1,380m profit in Q2 2022 for the TV division:

DtC (streaming) division:
https://i.imgur.com/utdtA37.jpg

TV division:
https://i.imgur.com/odJ1PJu.jpg

None of the new streaming services are currently profitable because they spend more on producing content than the subscriptions bring in. It will take Disney+, paramount+ and any new streaming venture 5 years to become profitable (source: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/09/streaming-services-arent-likely-to-make-money-anytime-soon.html). Given that Paramount + is about 18 months old, it still has a while to go yet before it starts making any money. The executives are fully aware of this because this is how all new businesses operate. Whether it be a streaming service or a clothing store, any new business can take 3 - 5 years to actually turn it's first profit.

 

[JaxsBrokenHeart]

Given a lot of the uncertainty in the movie market right now (to the point where even Star Wars films are being pulled due to doubts about long term profitability) a more financially hit and miss film franchise like Trek being seen as too risky isn't really a surprise.

The biggest pity of the Kelvin movie series potentially being done for good is not seeing more of Pine as Kirk. As someone who felt he was a bit wasted in the 09 film, gave a better performance in Into Darkness (even if the writing was worse) and really came into his own with Beyond, it feels like there's a whole series of great scenes with him we're not likely to get now. Heck seeing him in the 2017 as Trevor made me really lament that he didn't get to demonstrate his clear range more in the new films.

 

[fireproof78]

None of the new streaming services are currently profitable because they spend more on producing content than the subscriptions bring in. It will take Disney+, paramount+ and any new streaming venture 5 years to become profitable (source: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/09/streaming-services-arent-likely-to-make-money-anytime-soon.html). Given that Paramount + is about 18 months old, it still has a while to go yet before it starts making any money. The executives are fully aware of this because this is how all new businesses operate. Whether it be a streaming service or a clothing store, any new business can take 3 - 5 years to actually turn it's first profit.

Which is why remaining focused on it rather than taking a risk on a movie makes more sense.

 

[FederationHistorian]

Given a lot of the uncertainty in the movie market right now (to the point where even Star Wars films are being pulled due to doubts about long term profitability) a more financially hit and miss film franchise like Trek being seen as too risky isn't really a surprise.

TBF to Star Wars, there’s been a backlash to what Disney has been producing for years now – the box office earnings of the last five films have been up and down - and there might be concerns internally that there will be further backlash to what is produced with the next films. So, its easier for Disney to cut its losses and wait it out.

With Star Trek, the reception to the films (yes, including Into Darkness and Beyond) have been more positive than most of the shows. But Paramount are focused on the shows instead. Randomly announcing a movie without signing the actors - and when they've rejected script after script on top of that - probably didn’t help either.

 

[locborg]

Eventually there will be another Trek movie it’s just hard to predict which approach Paramount is going to choose.

The 09 reboot was a bold decision because it resulted in a movie without any actors formerly known to the franchise (except for Nimoy ofc). Even though Beyond wasn’t any worse than its predecessors it didn’t became a financial success.
It still was a nostalgia driven movie with many references to older incarnations of the Trek franchise but the script had many flaws.

I guess all of the rejected / canned scripts for a possible movie just weren’t good enough to give the movie branch it’s long needed push into a new direction.

Surely the Tarantino script must have been interesting, the guy worked on it for a very long time but it might have pushed Trek into a corner which didn’t really align with future ideas for the franchise.

To sum this up, a possible new Trek movie must check all of these boxes before Paramount should even consider to actually greenlight it:

- movie should make a connection to the currently airing Trek series
- The story needs to include a more epic storyline
- the actors shouldn’t be too expensive yet already have a reputation in the Trek franchise. If not possible/available there has to be support from Trek veterans
- the movie should open the door to future sequels

The only thing which would come to mind would be a new 25th century crew, introduced by TNG characters. The new crew should get a big budget series right after the movie. Good luck with developing a good script under these premises.

 

[shapeshifter]

<raises fingers to reply, fails to care anymore> lol

 

[FederationHistorian]

Good luck with developing a good script under these premises.

That can be done. I’m not saying anymore though.

 

[fireproof78]

Good luck with developing a good script under these premises.

Indeed. They have past the point where whatever script tie in they wanted won't work, probably due to the financial aspect. In short, it's too much a gamble that will not assure the investors that, "Yes, this will make enough money to justify the expense." The market has change substantially, even since Beyond aired. There is more volatility, less certainty, and less interest in going to the theaters. The theaters themselves are in huge financial trouble,

In short, it's not worth the risk. Can it be done? Of course it can. But it's not my money to gamble away and I'm not begrudging Paramount for not risking good money after bad in a volatile market.

 

[FederationHistorian]

The market has change substantially, even since Beyond aired. There is more volatility, less certainty, and less interest in going to the theaters. The theaters themselves are in huge financial trouble,

And despite the above, and their movies ending up in D+ a few months later - negating going to the theater in the first place, It hasn’t stopped Disney with pumping out movies. Sicne they know that there is an audience that wants to watch their stuff, not matter where its aired, or if they get to watch in ion the comfort of their homes a few months after the theater release.

Paramount isn’t as rich as Disney. But let’s also stop acting like they’re in the poorhouse.

 

[fireproof78]

And despite the above, and their movies ending up in D+ a few months later - negating going to the theater in the first place, It hasn’t stopped Disney with pumping out movies. Sicne they know that there is an audience that wants to watch their stuff, not matter where its aired, or if they get to watch in ion the comfort of their homes a few months after the theater release.

Paramount isn’t as rich as Disney. But let’s also stop acting like they’re in the poorhouse.

Who is acting like they are in the poor house? I simply get their rationale to not keep throwing money after a project that isn't panning out the way the want it.

And Disney isn't Paramount so I won't compare the two.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Patrick Stewart, Jonathan Frakes and the rest are pushing for and hinting at another TNG movie

Sadly this has a better chance of happening (as a P+ Long Treks special if nothing else) than Kelvin Trek 4.

 

[Commander Troi]

I'm not sure that's a sad thing. Maybe they could do a good one.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Writers of the Pine-Hemsworth Trek IV reveal some plot details of their shelved project. Since the movie will never be made, I assume this isn't a spoiler:

There’s an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation called “Relics” where they find Scotty, who’s been trapped a transporter for a couple of decades, and they’re able to have cool adventure with him. Our conceit was, “What if right before the Kelvin impacted with that huge mining ship, George Kirk had tried to beam himself over to his wife’s shuttle where his son, Jim Kirk, had just been born? And what if the ship hadn’t completely exploded—what if it left some space junk?

I must say, I think we dodged a bullet here.

https://trekmovie.com/2022/10/14/pl...ect-with-chris-hemsworth-revealed-by-writers/

 

[F. King Daniel]

A transporter copy of George Kirk doesn't sound particularly exciting. But until we read the whole thing, we'll never know for sure.