The Omega Glory...

[Nyotarules]

You either have it, like my American forefathers for example

Your American forefathers version of Utopia was limited to a chosen few, not my idea of Utopia at all. Based on their actions there was nothing Utopian about them, if it wasn't for George III government your independence might have been the same time as Canada.

 

[Riker'sMailbox]

Your American forefathers version of Utopia was limited to a chosen few, not my idea of Utopia at all. Based on their actions there was nothing Utopian about them, if it wasn't for George III government your independence might have been the same time as Canada.

Truth!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I also love the concept of Captain Ron Tracey. He's the proof in the pudding that, in Kirk's time at least, humans are not so 'evolved' as to be beyond greed and other such things. He punctures the utopian myth, and brings Star Trek back into the realm of how real people really act. Also, another really powerful reflection of Kirk: here is another great and glorious Starfleet Captain, a Captain of a constitution class vessel no less, potentially Kirk's equal in literally every way, but corrupted, and Kirk's disappointment at that is profound.

I wonder if Tracey might turn up on DSC. Might be nice to see him in his prime, before he became the jackass he was in this episode.

If so, I nominate Robert Downey Jr. for the part.

 

[BillJ]

I wonder if Tracey might turn up on DSC.

I sure fucking hope not. Discovery already struggles badly with Small Universe Syndrome.

 

[Noname Given]

I sure fucking hope not. Discovery already struggles badly with Small Universe Syndrome.

Why? Just because the Creator and writers made the main character related to Spock? That's not 'small universe' that's a plot point.

 

[BillJ]

Why? Just because the Creator and writers made the main character related to Spock? That's not 'small universe' that's a plot point.

And Mudd, and Sarek, and Amanda, and the Tribble on the desk, and the Enterprise, and the Klingons, the five "greatest" Starfleet captains ever, and the Mirror Universe, and the list just goes on and on and on...

 

[Noname Given]

And Mudd, and Sarek, and Amanda, and the Tribble on the desk, and the Enterprise, and the Klingons, the five "greatest" Starfleet captains ever, and the Mirror Universe, and the list just goes on and on and on...

Sarek and Amanda are PART of Burham's family. Mudd only appeared three times previously, and they wanted him on TNG sesason one for the pilot and that was being planned (until Roger C. Carmel passed away in November 1986.)

As for the 5 greatest Starfleet captains, please, would you dispute anyone on that list. (It was also only the second time Robert April's name was referenced on screen - the only other time was in a TAS episode.)

In TNG's "The Naked Now" (the first regular episode after the pilot) - they mentioned James T. Kirk and the original 1701; but no one was screaming 'small universe' there in 1987. Hell, many wanted to SEE flashbacks to show what happened to Kirk, Sock, etc.

My god. How DARE a Star Trek show refer to Captains who (in both canon and fannon) have had major careers or become household names in Star Fleet <--- What are they thinking? They shouldn't reference ANYTHING in Star Trek lore at all, I mean after 50 years it's all too old, right?.

 

[BillJ]

They shouldn't reference ANYTHING in Star Trek lore at all, I mean after 50 years it's all too old, right?.

No. But there's a way to do it without beating your audience over the head with it. I understand that market conditions make this kind of show profitable, but after forty-five years of various novels and comics tacking the same exact things, nothing about Discovery is coming across as particularly original, or even well written.

YMMV.

 

[Noname Given]

No. But there's a way to do it without beating your audience over the head with it. I understand that market conditions make this kind of show profitable, but after forty-five years of various novels and comics tacking the same exact things, nothing about Discovery is coming across as particularly original, or even well written.

YMMV.

Um ST: D is probably the first Star Trek show that DIDN'T start out with the "Explore Strange New Worlds" paradigm? (Hell even DS9 started out with "Explore Strange New World"...namely Bajor).

How much more different can you get? You really hate that they used a few characters seen occasionally from two other Star Trek spinoffs (if you include TAS)?

 

[BillJ]

Um ST: D is probably the fiorst Star Trek show that DIDN'T start out with the "Explore Strange New Worlds" paradigm? (Hell even DS9 started out with "Explore Starnge New World"...namely bajor).

Did you miss the beginning of "The Vulcan Hello"? That was exactly what they were doing. Much like the beginning of Star Trek Into Darkness with Niburu. As a matter of fact, it is almost exactly the same: some crew saving a primitive race, something happens, we get spectacular reveal of starship where everyone on the planet can see it.

How much more different can you get?

I have to admit, I've only seen twelve episodes, but there isn't a whole lot there that is any different from the shows and various novels.

 

[Kor]

It's darker and grittier. I hear that's all the rage these days.

Kor

 

[BillJ]

It's darker and grittier. I hear that's all the rage these days.

I don't think Discovery is any darker or grittier compared to TOS. Especially considering all the latitude the creative team was supposed to have being on a streaming service.

 

[Kor]

I don't think Discovery is any darker or grittier compared to TOS. Especially considering all the latitude the creative team was supposed to have being on a streaming service.

Well, something's off about Discovery. TOS makes me happy. Discovery doesn't.

Kor

 

[Noname Given]

Did you miss the beginning of "The Vulcan Hello"? That was exactly what they were doing. Much like the beginning of Star Trek Into Darkness with Niburu. As a matter of fact, it is almost exactly the same: some crew saving a primitive race, something happens, we get spectacular reveal of starship where everyone on the planet can see it.

Um, at the beginning of "The Vulcan Hello" they were correcting an issue caused by Federation Miners to an Indigenous species (and breaking the Prime Directive in doing so) - and then they went to ascertain what happened to a damaged Federation Scanner/Relay satellite; and repaired it. Then they tried to determine IF those who damaged it (probably Klingons) did so to test how Star Fleet would respoond, or as a prelude to invasion of the Federation.

 

[BillJ]

Well, something's off about Discovery.

I know it is a "mileage may vary" kind of thing, but Discovery doesn't make me happy because I don't find it particularly good.

 

[BillJ]

Um, at the beginning of "The Vulcan Hello" they were correcting an issue caused by Federation Miners to an Indigenous species (and breaking the Prime Directive in doing so) - and then they went to ascertain what happened to a damaged Federation Scanner/Relay satellite; and repaired it.

I have to admit that I don't remember the miner part. Though it still doesn't make a lot of sense to show off your starship to what is clearly a primitive species.

 

[Lance]

Hell, many wanted to SEE flashbacks to show what happened to Kirk, Sock, etc.

The Enterprise laundromat has a lot of questions to answer.

 

[Shawnster]

Um, at the beginning of "The Vulcan Hello" they were correcting an issue caused by Federation Miners to an Indigenous species (and breaking the Prime Directive in doing so)

They actually operated well within 23rd century interpretation and application of the Prime Directive.

 

[Kor]

They actually operated well within 23rd century interpretation and application of the Prime Directive.

True. The 'absolutely no contact with pre-warp civilizations and let them die in case of disaster' rigmarole didn't come about until TNG.

Kor

 

[Noname Given]

They actually operated well within 23rd century interpretation and application of the Prime Directive.

Until the ship came down, and then flew over the 'Village'.