Other folks have brought up prequels and Discovery. Not sure why you need to make the discussion about me and not them?
The Omega Glory...
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Other folks have brought up prequels and Discovery. Not sure why you need to make the discussion about me and not them?
It was in keeping with what had been established in TOS (IE The S.S. Valiant - lost at the Galaxy Edge - see TOS - "Where No Man Has Gone Before" ; and the S.S. Horizon lost after contaminating the social culture on Sigma Iotia II - see TOS - "A Piece Of The Action".)
But the NX-01 was not S.S. It had no registry prefix of any kind. It was just Enterprise.
As for the Horizon - we have absolutely no idea what kind of ship it was or what prefix it had.
The thing that for me the Abrams films got was the unbridled sense of adventure and the rock 'em sock 'em action, arguably it captured that TOS spirit better than any other Trek I've seen including most of the movies actually featuring the original cast, the thing about TOS is it was essentially proud to be many things but one of them was a space western, and "The Omega Glory" maybe feels the most like that of any instalment. Interestingly it was one of three scripts written as a potential pilot episode and rejigged as a regular episode later.
Star Trek is philosophical, yes, but TOS had a much more visceral sense of good and bad, action hero stuff, a sense of fun, and a particularly specific something that a lot of American TV had in the 1960s but which is notoriously hard to pinpoint and replicate.
You are likely hitting on something here, going back to TMP, the movies/spinoffs seemed almost ashamed of their heritage. TOS mostly got treated like the racist uncle no one likes to see at family reunions. And the original Star Trek did make some massive missteps, at the same time, it was some of the best TV at the time. So good that it spawned this massive franchise.
I never got the impression the "essess" thing would be a prefix. It's just the short way of saying "starship", and doesn't limit our options much. The ships mentioned above may have been Starfleet vessels, or then not. They may have had prefixes, or then not. The prop of the Valiant recorder marker may have said "S.S. VALIANT" or "S. VALIANT" or "U.S.S. VALIANT" or "I.S.S. VALIANT" or perhaps "HARRY S. VALIANT". And so forth.
Conversely, nothing stops Archer's ship from having a prefix, and we indeed ultimately learn it's USS. No big deal, just taking one of the myriad tidbits of TOS and turning it into a Trek universe feature. Much as happened (unfortunately) with NCC, which no doubt was originally intended to be akin to the pennant codes of USN ships, that is, descriptive of the type and mission of the ship, but (chiefly thanks to Franz Joseph's manual) became a generic registry prefix for all Starfleet. This sort of stuff was allowed by TOS, and some of it was adopted, some not.
Timo Saloniemi
Eddie Valiant. Or brother Teddy, murdered by Judge Doom.
Well apart from the radical jump between their friendly meeting and Tracey's armed posse threatening the crew there's definitely something missing! Plus I have read somewhere about the missing scene before!
JB
I've always believed a few things about Tracy and his actions:
1. He definitely went off the edge regarding the death of his crew
2. He was transferring his guilt about not being able to save/protect his crew onto his feelings of being the savior of the Khom village
3. He felt he could redeem himself if he was able to isolate the immortality serum and bring it to the galaxy
...but he was insane at this point. His hellish experiences on this mission drove him to extreme sociopathic behaviors, and he became truly "evil" (if there is such a thing) and unsympathetic. It's one of the reasons I like this villain so much...most of Trek's villains are either relatable / sympathetic or they are pure mustache twirling bad guys. Tracy is one of the few I'd classify as just outright irredeemably BAD. And it works GREAT.
1. He definitely went off the edge regarding the death of his crew
2. He was transferring his guilt about not being able to save/protect his crew onto his feelings of being the savior of the Khom village
3. He felt he could redeem himself if he was able to isolate the immortality serum and bring it to the galaxy
...but he was insane at this point. His hellish experiences on this mission drove him to extreme sociopathic behaviors, and he became truly "evil" (if there is such a thing) and unsympathetic. It's one of the reasons I like this villain so much...most of Trek's villains are either relatable / sympathetic or they are pure mustache twirling bad guys. Tracy is one of the few I'd classify as just outright irredeemably BAD. And it works GREAT.
So the story is only half ruined for you then?
Because the Declaration of Independence isn't used in this episode.
So the story is only half ruined for you then?
Because the Declaration of Independence isn't used in this episode.
I've noticed that some keep confusing the Declaration of Independence with the Preamble to the US Constitution (which is what is actually cited in the episode). Non-Americans can be forgiven for this mix-up, but Americans should really know better.
That's pretty sad. It was an American TV show. What is it about that do you find so offensive?
All (Most) duplicate TOS Earths in Star Trek tend to be replicate Pax Americas Or Pax Olde Worlde Europe. The TOS Star Trek represents about 1/2% of Earth.
Given that the reason those duplicate Earths showed up in the first place was so existing sets could be used on the cheap - and those sets are American - this is hardly surprising.
And since it is completely impossible for those duplicate Earths to just arise spontaneously - violating all laws of probability - then there MUST be another explanation for how they came about.
On Omega IV, for example, not ony would it be equally impossible for an alien world to just HAPPEN to have exact word-for-word copies of the Constitution etc, but the documents we did see, can't be as old as the Yangs say they are. They'd have withered away to dust a long time ago.
So I'm still waiting for an explanation better than the one the DTI novels put forth. Yeah, sure, Omega IV could be a colony of Earth, but then there'd have to be a time warp involved, and the DTI explanation is a lot less convoluted.
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