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The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

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There's a crappy shot in 'Galaxy's Child' I'd like to see fixed, where Enterprise's nacelle and pylon partially disappear (a bad composite that should be easily fixed).

Also, I always hated the phaser beams in Season 5 - they were plain beams of light with no particles in them. It looked really cheap.

While they're doing Season 5, how about getting rid of the goofy opening titles? :)
 
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You know, at the very least there's two things in the series I'd want to see corrected in this whole project -if they end up doing the entire series.

1. That damn phaser coming out of torpedo tube in Darmok. There's no way that should have gotten by anyone when that episode was made. Yet, somehow, it did.

2. The consuming, odd, darkness/blackness in the corner of the screen in EaF during parts of the episode, especially the scenes with Picard in the 22c "courtroom."

Not the energy beam being fired from the captain's yacht in EaF? [Move it to the deflector dish, where such stuff would always come from in later series]
 
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Not the energy beam being fired from the captain's yacht in EaF? [Move it to the deflector dish, where such stuff would always come from in later series]
The dialog calls for it to come from the phaser strip, which is probably going to get fixed anyway.
 
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I don't know how anyone can prefer the 4 footer. I never understood how something that was supposed to be so big could have such obvious raised hull plating. It would have to be pretty shoddy workmanship. The smoother lines of the 6 footer make a lot more sense to me and I've always liked it better.

Because when I watched the show I saw no detail on the 6 ft model and the exaggerated detail on the 4ft was just visible. Wether this was due to my signal in alaska, the tv I was watching on, who knows.

ANd since 95% of my viewing of TNG was off that original run (when you would watch the episode you taped so many times you warped the VHS tape) and not the later VHS release or the DVD's which I do watch but nowhere near the amount of times i watched my copies from the broadcast, not even close.
 
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The Enterprise at the end doesn't look as good as it does on the Blu-ray of Generations. I suppose it wouldn't necessarily look as good, but it's a shame that it doesn't.

But you're comparing a low bitrate 720p YouTube clip to a high bitrate 1080p Blu-ray. Also, that shot is not actually in Generations. They used a lower angle looking up at the ship as it passes over.

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/generationshd/generationshd0978.jpg

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images/tnghd-ent1.jpg

And I think the bluray cap looks better.
 
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You know, at the very least there's two things in the series I'd want to see corrected in this whole project -if they end up doing the entire series.

1. That damn phaser coming out of torpedo tube in Darmok. There's no way that should have gotten by anyone when that episode was made. Yet, somehow, it did.

2. The consuming, odd, darkness/blackness in the corner of the screen in EaF during parts of the episode, especially the scenes with Picard in the 22c "courtroom."

Not the energy beam being fired from the captain's yacht in EaF? [Move it to the deflector dish, where such stuff would always come from in later series]

Oh, yeah that too. But in terms of the show that can easily be excused as first episode "jitters" and I had always assumed that energy beam came from the saucer deflector or, for some reason, it could've came from the yacht's own deflector or other external system.

The Darmok phaser and the video shittiness in EaF bother me a lot more than that "energy beam."

It is great to see all of the original effects elements will be used it'll be interesting to see how they'll be re-composited into new CGI effects (the ship flying through the Wolf 359 battlefield and the junkyard in "Unification" should both look good with new CGI). It would be nice, too, to see some new angles and shots of the Enterprise using CGI including the warp/impulse flybys and such.

I'm of two minds on the 4:3 and 16x9 issue. On one hand I watch all of my DVDs "stretched" to fill the screen (not out of not wanting "black bars" but out of not wanting to unevenly wear out the screen) and it doesn't bother me to do that (the stretching is "smart" enough and subtle enough that it doesn't bother me) so making it 16x9 by editing isn't necessary from my POV. I'd likely watch the 4:3 BDs "stretched" as well.

I think cropping the shots to make it 16x9 could run into... issues with cropping out objects that "add" something to the scene, making the scene more cramped by the reframing an adding in false camera moves to switch focus from one actor to another in a cropped shot would be just as bad as when the same was done when going from "Widescreen" to "P&S" in the days of VHS.

There's a shot up-thread of Worf, Yar, Picard and Riker all talking on the bridge. It was said the scene could be cropped to focus on whomever is talking. Well, suppose if in the middle of that scene (or a similar one) Yar or Worf starts talking you'd have to add in a "fake camera move" to change the focus of the picture. This gets into the whole "director's intent" thing that was always an issue with P&S.

I'd say to leave in 4:3 and if you really "have to" have something on the sides of the screen for airing on TV to fill space and to prevent people from wearing out their TVs put some flowing plasma or something over there for an effect or something, I dunno. The local news does something similar for field reports still using 4:3 cameras/editing even though the rest of the newscast is 16x9.
 
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The change that everyone really wants is for RAMA to be CGI'd into most of the scenes throughout each episode.

Walking infront of main characters, waving his arms around in the background, perhaps even floating alongside the ship in the intro.

We'd all pay to see that.
 
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The sad thing about the Darmok shot is that I love the FX in that episode, even that phaser blasts from the torpedo tube is a good f/x shot (just a stupid f/x shot)
 
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I think both the 4-foot model and the 6-foot model have their virtues and their drawbacks. Detail, exaggerated details, lighting, and all of that.

I think it's the 6-foot model that has the exaggerated panel lines and a thick "rounded" look to the deflector dish housing, as opposed to other model that has less exaggerated details and the "edges" of the ship are a bit sharper and natural looking.

I sadly admit I'm not sure which ship is which model but I can tell the difference between the looks of the models that are used. The large panel lines and details of that one establishing shot always bugs the hell out of me.

But I think the warp-engine pylons on one of the models always looked crooked or bent or something to me not the strong, rigid, massive structures they're supposed to be.

I would assume that in this process those behind the project will do what they can to make the model shots more consistent and good looking.
 
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I think it's the 6-foot model that has the exaggerated panel lines and a thick "rounded" look to the deflector dish housing, as opposed to other model that has less exaggerated details and the "edges" of the ship are a bit sharper and natural looking.

It's the other way around.
 
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The change that everyone really wants is for RAMA to be CGI'd into most of the scenes throughout each episode.

Walking infront of main characters, waving his arms around in the background, perhaps even floating alongside the ship in the intro.

We'd all pay to see that.

Hell I'd pay to see that.
 
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The Enterprise at the end doesn't look as good as it does on the Blu-ray of Generations. I suppose it wouldn't necessarily look as good, but it's a shame that it doesn't.

But you're comparing a low bitrate 720p YouTube clip to a high bitrate 1080p Blu-ray. Also, that shot is not actually in Generations. They used a lower angle looking up at the ship as it passes over.

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/generationshd/generationshd0978.jpg

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images/tnghd-ent1.jpg

And I think the bluray cap looks better.

Maybe you're just responding to the luma and chroma levels in the TNG re-composite?





 
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Wow, just read this news. I think some wee came out.
 
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No one really talked about the audio in detail yet. We are getting a 7.1 mix. The question is: how three-dimensional will it actually sound? If I remember right the sound was recorded on DAT or something similar at the time? Just as with the image there should be many different tracks for the various elements of a scene. Those tracks will then probably have been mixed down to a few tracks for better handling. There´s probably a music track, a sfx track and a dialog track. To create a really realistic 7.1 they would need the individual elements the sfx track was created from. The question is do those elements still exist? All of them? Or only in part?
 
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So assuming $50,000 per episode for the transfer, and 178 episodes, I make that just short of $9m to convert the entire lot. Let's also assume $10 profit per season set, so $70 for all seven. That's 128 thousand or so complete sets that they'll need to sell at least. Are they going to recoup their outlay in this economy? Probably, but what might screw it up?

  • They convert the episodes to 16:9 by cropping. People complain that information has been lost.
  • The leave the episodes as 4:3. People complain about the black bars.

Can they win?
 
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Yes, they can. Most of the people who buy the sets won't care which aspect ratio the show is in.

And they will definitely sell more than 128,000 complete sets.
 
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We'll have to see what they price a season set at. My guess is $40 wholesale, so maybe $60 to $80 retail. Amazon doesn't even have a placeholder listing for the taster set yet.
 
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Hmm... I seem to remember a thread where a lot of discussion regarding TNG-R is already going on. Why on God's green Earth is this a separate thread?
 
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Hmm... I seem to remember a thread where a lot of discussion regarding TNG-R is already going on. Why on God's green Earth is this a separate thread?

Because most people have never heard of or seen that thread? This is actual news - makes sense to have a clean break.
 
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