The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

[Holdfast]

Re: special features wishlist for TNG-R Blu-ray

Now that the TNG-R project is official what special features do you guys really want to see?
I'd like some branching original VFX in standard definition as a special feature.

CBS/Paramount has made their money a number of times over on TNG. How about finally the gag reel and other more frank opinions and reflections rather than EPK fluff?
It's the real fans buying the Blu-ray sets anyway.

I want to see more behind the scenes footage. They better mine those Entertainment Tonight camera tapes...

The Enterprise DVD season sets in 2005 were better for their special features than the TNG sets in 2002.

I think this topic is sufficiently duplicative to be integrated with the main discussion thread for TNG-R, especially given that most of the posts are old, making it difficult for a newcomer to the thread to jump into this one anyway.

 

[Flake]

This Trek XI sequence in particular is what I was referring to:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/xihd/trekxihd2886.jpg

 

[Brikar99]

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It's kind of like Star Wars on Blu-ray. How much better does it really look compared to DVD?

Probably not as good as it'd look if they hadn't used HD scans from eight years ago.

 

[RAMA]

Re: Entire series to be remastered for Blu-Ray

The first official announcement came on September 28. Odd that a thread called "OFFICIAL" was created on September 6.

http://www.startrek.com/article/the-next-generation-blu-rays-launch-in-2012

http://trekweb.com/articles/2011/09...12-Okudas-as-Consultants-Trailer-Online.shtml

Explained in the very first post...add to that I had a little "inside" information.

RAMA

 

[Mark 2000]

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I opposed the TOS Remastered because it replaced too much of the original show.

I'm a fierce critic of TOS-R, but I do like most of the stuff they did in live action. I was actually thinking, how hard would it have been for them to take Greg Jein's DS9 model and film the 20 or so stock shots of the ship and use that instead of CGI. They even had his D7 model and a K7 Station.

 

[bullethead]

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I opposed the TOS Remastered because it replaced too much of the original show.

I'm a fierce critic of TOS-R, but I do like most of the stuff they did in live action. I was actually thinking, how hard would it have been for them to take Greg Jein's DS9 model and film the 20 or so stock shots of the ship and use that instead of CGI. They even had his D7 model and a K7 Station.

Impossible, because so few effects houses do motion control anymore. ILM and WETA might, but you'd be spending tons of money when there are cheaper and easier options.

 

[Frontier]

So wait a minute, they're not going to do any CGI replace/fix work? All they're going to do CGI wise is cloning existing stuff like phaser beams?

No fixing of...

The multitude of scale issues when the E-D was with other ships?

Or the GIANT Klingon Birds of Prey in "The Defector"?

Or expanding the variety and angles of shots so it's not the exact same shot over and over with subtle changes to the planet?

Or making planets that look more real?

Or replacing some of the old matte paintings of landscapes?

...Seriously?

 

[bullethead]

So wait a minute, they're not going to do any CGI replace/fix work? All they're going to do CGI wise is cloning existing stuff like phaser beams?

Not in the sampler at least. Might change when they get to full remastering of the series. I certainly hope they fix the myriad of problems TNG had in terms of footage.

 

[LitmusDragon]

So wait a minute, they're not going to do any CGI replace/fix work? All they're going to do CGI wise is cloning existing stuff like phaser beams?

No fixing of...

The multitude of scale issues when the E-D was with other ships?

Or the GIANT Klingon Birds of Prey in "The Defector"?

Or expanding the variety and angles of shots so it's not the exact same shot over and over with subtle changes to the planet?

Or making planets that look more real?

Or replacing some of the old matte paintings of landscapes?

...Seriously?

I would not be surprised to see scale issues fixed in recompositing. The various ships may have very well been shot separately on separate rolls of film then combined into the image so you could easily change the size of the ship in the final image during that process.

The matte paintings are an interesting point and who knows what they'll do. The implication is that they would do nothing with them but we'll see.

 

[JarodRussell]

Am I the only one who wants the charm of the show to be kept intact as much as possible?

 

[Admiral Bear]

Am I the only one who wants the charm of the show to be kept intact as much as possible?

You mean that late 80's straight to NTSC slightly fuzzy video picture?

 

[JarodRussell]

Am I the only one who wants the charm of the show to be kept intact as much as possible?

You mean that late 80's straight to NTSC slightly fuzzy video picture?

No, I mean repeating stock shots, the occasional size mismatch, matte paintings clearly recognizable as paintings, etc...

 

[Tomalak]

So wait a minute, they're not going to do any CGI replace/fix work? All they're going to do CGI wise is cloning existing stuff like phaser beams?

Well they've already replaced or enhanced the old, poorly-detailed two-foot model of the Enterprise in the warp sequence, so there's no suggestion that there will be no fixes at all. I suppose we will have to wait and see what the scope is as time goes on. TOS-R actually started pretty conservatively, but got bolder with the changes as time went on.

Am I the only one who wants the charm of the show to be kept intact as much as possible?

I don't really see those things as "charm" as such, I'm in favour of the best possible presentation of the series. When we're talking about effectively remaking the whole series from the rushes, some things will inevitably be different. The whole HD presentation is something that was never intended.

 

[Dac]

Tbh, TNG and other Treks are probably the only shows that I can and have actually watched hundreds of times, and each time they don't get boring.

Having said that though, the chance to see them again, in higher quality and cleaned up fx shots? That's downright exciting, that one shot of the Enterprise going to warp whipped me into a frenzy, if they do that to every FX shot in the show I will waste money on buying each season on Blu Ray at full MSRP as well.

 

[JJohnson]

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The ILM shots of the 6ft model in Vistavision 35mm @ 1080p HD are vastly superior to any CGI so I am very relieved they aren't using CGI.

Look at the recent $150 million dollar CGI JJ-Prise in Trek XI, I felt that several CGI shots of that ship looked very poor and way inferior to decent modelwork, so low-budget CGI vs high quality ILM & Image G work would look like $hit.

ILM's work is terrific, no question...I still would have preferred at least half the work was a CGI model in the vein of the one created for TATV to expand the shot variety. I won't quibble though.

The CGI movie Enterprise was some of the best CGI starship FX I've ever seen.

And I think the bluray cap looks better.

Maybe you're just responding to the luma and chroma levels in the TNG re-composite?

I actually prefer the "look" of the STNG-R teaser.

RAMA

I'm hoping for more CG ship-work so that we can have more variety to the stock shots and get rid of / correct that off-angle through-the-neck-warp shot that they used so often. Also, given that we know two different models were used with different detailing, using a CG in place of one or the other would make sense so that the ship appears consistent. That was something that I was pleased about in the TOS-R - the consistent representation of the ship throughout the series.

 

[JJohnson]

This Trek XI sequence in particular is what I was referring to:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/xihd/trekxihd2886.jpg

The quality of the render to me looks really good, with great detail. What stinks is the ship itself. They should've used deg3D's ship. But that's a different argument for a different thread.

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: Entire series to be remastered for Blu-Ray

We'll have to see what they price a season set at. My guess is $40 wholesale, so maybe $60 to $80 retail. Amazon doesn't even have a placeholder listing for the taster set yet.

$60-$80 retail for a Paramount BD DVD Set is laughable, the TOS sets on BD have a SRP of around $130, about what the SRP of the DVDs sets were when the DVDs first came out 10 years ago.

I'd expect the BDs for TNG to be much in the same price-range, around $130 retail, though when they first come out they'll be cheaper per Best Buy's usual first-week release sale and they'll be cheaper on Amazon probably all of the time.

 

[JarodRussell]

I don't really see those things as "charm" as such, I'm in favour of the best possible presentation of the series. When we're talking about effectively remaking the whole series from the rushes, some things will inevitably be different. The whole HD presentation is something that was never intended.

It's just a change in resolution, nothing else. It doesn't change anything about the composition of shots, the design of elements or the content of scenes. Rushes and improvisation and stock shots and mistakes are part of any film production, plain and simple. TNG has always been a show where they say "Distance to target five thousand kilometers" and then they show an external space shot where the ship is only 500 meters away. Picard says "Increase speed to warp 6" and Geordi says "Aye sir, full impulse." Should we re-dub this because it's an error or should we just keep it as it was because it has been part of the show for 25 years already?

 

[Flake]

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I'm hoping for more CG ship-work so that we can have more variety to the stock shots and get rid of / correct that off-angle through-the-neck-warp shot that they used so often. Also, given that we know two different models were used with different detailing, using a CG in place of one or the other would make sense so that the ship appears consistent. That was something that I was pleased about in the TOS-R - the consistent representation of the ship throughout the series.

They might fix the through-neck shot anyway, the stars are the wrong angle but the stars will need replacing! So the new CG starfield might get done right.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

This Trek XI sequence in particular is what I was referring to:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/xihd/trekxihd2886.jpg

The quality of the render to me looks really good, with great detail. What stinks is the ship itself. They should've used deg3D's ship. But that's a different argument for a different thread.

That image looks better than any model.