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There's also a wish-list thread.
There's also a wish-list thread.
The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!
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Even though the model looks great here, I would really like to see it replaced with a CG model. That way, you could have CG people walking around in all the lit windows, you could see into every window, and you could even, as the ship pulls away, have some rooms' lights turn on/off. That would make the ship seem a bit more 'alive' than the model.
Even though the model looks great here, I would really like to see it replaced with a CG model. That way, you could have CG people walking around in all the lit windows, you could see into every window, and you could even, as the ship pulls away, have some rooms' lights turn on/off. That would make the ship seem a bit more 'alive' than the model.
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The ILM shots of the 6ft model in Vistavision 35mm @ 1080p HD are vastly superior to any CGI so I am very relieved they aren't using CGI.
Look at the recent $150 million dollar CGI JJ-Prise in Trek XI, I felt that several CGI shots of that ship looked very poor and way inferior to decent modelwork, so low-budget CGI vs high quality ILM & Image G work would look like $hit.
The ILM shots of the 6ft model in Vistavision 35mm @ 1080p HD are vastly superior to any CGI so I am very relieved they aren't using CGI.
Look at the recent $150 million dollar CGI JJ-Prise in Trek XI, I felt that several CGI shots of that ship looked very poor and way inferior to decent modelwork, so low-budget CGI vs high quality ILM & Image G work would look like $hit.
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Its amazing to me, this should sound great...STNG was an award winner for it's sound in its day, both mixing and editing. It will never have sounded better!
Its amazing to me, this should sound great...STNG was an award winner for it's sound in its day, both mixing and editing. It will never have sounded better!
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So let me get this straight - the Remastered TNG is actually the original show, not with CGI replacements or reedits or recorded music, etc? That is excellent news. I opposed the TOS Remastered because it replaced too much of the original show. I'm very happy to see they're leaving things alone with TNG in terms of its actual content. I'll actually buy this. (And before anyone says "so where have you been the last few months", I frankly had been ignoring all talk of the Blu-ray TNG because I had been assuming they'd be farting around with the original, replacing all the effects with cheesy CGI - yes, I said cheesy. I'm quoting a friend's reaction to seeing TOS Remastered - and rerecording all the music. I only just, out of curiosity, read up on TNG-R and learned they're leaving well enough alone and are "simply" upconverting.
It just shows more and more the whole Remastering exercise with the original series was unnecessary, and it also calls B.S. on all those folks saying shows from the 1980s/early 1990s cannot be released to high-def Blu-ray because of the way they were filmed and edited - TNG was almost always used as "Exhibit A" in those discussions. Well here's TNG to prove them all wrong (and obviously DS9 will be next) - and yes I know there's a lot of work involved here to upconvert, but considering there are threads on this very board in which people labelled this as impossible, this is quite a turnaround. Next we'll find someone's figured out a way to upconvert old videotape, which will open the door for a lot of older shows to make the change.
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So let me get this straight - the Remastered TNG is actually the original show, not with CGI replacements or reedits or recorded music, etc? That is excellent news. I opposed the TOS Remastered because it replaced too much of the original show. I'm very happy to see they're leaving things alone with TNG in terms of its actual content. I'll actually buy this. (And before anyone says "so where have you been the last few months", I frankly had been ignoring all talk of the Blu-ray TNG because I had been assuming they'd be farting around with the original, replacing all the effects with cheesy CGI - yes, I said cheesy. I'm quoting a friend's reaction to seeing TOS Remastered - and rerecording all the music. I only just, out of curiosity, read up on TNG-R and learned they're leaving well enough alone and are "simply" upconverting.
It just shows more and more the whole Remastering exercise with the original series was unnecessary, and it also calls B.S. on all those folks saying shows from the 1980s/early 1990s cannot be released to high-def Blu-ray because of the way they were filmed and edited - TNG was almost always used as "Exhibit A" in those discussions. Well here's TNG to prove them all wrong (and obviously DS9 will be next) - and yes I know there's a lot of work involved here to upconvert, but considering there are threads on this very board in which people labelled this as impossible, this is quite a turnaround. Next we'll find someone's figured out a way to upconvert old videotape, which will open the door for a lot of older shows to make the change.
Alex
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ILM's work is terrific, no question...I still would have preferred at least half the work was a CGI model in the vein of the one created for TATV to expand the shot variety. I won't quibble though.
The CGI movie Enterprise was some of the best CGI starship FX I've ever seen.
I actually prefer the "look" of the STNG-R teaser.
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ILM's work is terrific, no question...I still would have preferred at least half the work was a CGI model in the vein of the one created for TATV to expand the shot variety. I won't quibble though.
The CGI movie Enterprise was some of the best CGI starship FX I've ever seen.
I actually prefer the "look" of the STNG-R teaser.
RAMA
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Nope that thread has over 18,000 views mostly in the last week.
Nope that thread has over 18,000 views mostly in the last week.
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(Just in case you didn't know.)
Also, it's not true that this TNG-R project won't contain any new CGI. It will have to, since some of the SFX simply don't exist in an HD form, like phaser beams, or anything else 'drawn' on to the tape masters. Even if they painstakingly recreate the effect in HD to perfectly match the original effects as close as possible, it won't technically be the original effects. But that would be severely nit-picking!
The TOS Blu-rays contain the original versions in HD; the CGI is optional.
(Just in case you didn't know.)
Also, it's not true that this TNG-R project won't contain any new CGI. It will have to, since some of the SFX simply don't exist in an HD form, like phaser beams, or anything else 'drawn' on to the tape masters. Even if they painstakingly recreate the effect in HD to perfectly match the original effects as close as possible, it won't technically be the original effects. But that would be severely nit-picking!
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The first official announcement came on September 28. Odd that a thread called "OFFICIAL" was created on September 6.
http://www.startrek.com/article/the-next-generation-blu-rays-launch-in-2012
http://trekweb.com/articles/2011/09/28/First-Official-Details-on-Next-Generation-Remastered-on-BluRay-Box-Sets-Coming-in-2012-Okudas-as-Consultants-Trailer-Online.shtml
The first official announcement came on September 28. Odd that a thread called "OFFICIAL" was created on September 6.
http://www.startrek.com/article/the-next-generation-blu-rays-launch-in-2012
http://trekweb.com/articles/2011/09/28/First-Official-Details-on-Next-Generation-Remastered-on-BluRay-Box-Sets-Coming-in-2012-Okudas-as-Consultants-Trailer-Online.shtml
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Well we saw in the TATV scene in Ten forward that they need to remake the VFX in all live-action scenes, in this case it was the effect of two drinks being replicated. The new effect looked far better than the old one and was faithful to the original.
We are going to get a far far superior presentation of the series than we could ever have imagined
We need more screencaps/clips to chew on, cmon CBS put something else out there!
Well we saw in the TATV scene in Ten forward that they need to remake the VFX in all live-action scenes, in this case it was the effect of two drinks being replicated. The new effect looked far better than the old one and was faithful to the original.
We are going to get a far far superior presentation of the series than we could ever have imagined
We need more screencaps/clips to chew on, cmon CBS put something else out there!
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Yeah, how many threads do we actually need about TNG-R? I'm losing track of all these different threads.
Entire series to be remastered for Blu-Ray
The OFFICIAL STNG-R discussion thread!
What new FX/editing do you want to see in the STNG-R?
So will UK viewers notice more of a difference with the Blurays...
special features wishlist for TNG-R Blu-ray
Blu-Ray announcement 28th September?
TNG post production workflow
Rumor: TNG-HD is a-coming
We could open an entire sub forum with these. Merge them and make them sticky.
Yeah, how many threads do we actually need about TNG-R? I'm losing track of all these different threads.
Entire series to be remastered for Blu-Ray
The OFFICIAL STNG-R discussion thread!
What new FX/editing do you want to see in the STNG-R?
So will UK viewers notice more of a difference with the Blurays...
special features wishlist for TNG-R Blu-ray
Blu-Ray announcement 28th September?
TNG post production workflow
Rumor: TNG-HD is a-coming
We could open an entire sub forum with these. Merge them and make them sticky.
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^ Sounds like a plan.
^ Sounds like a plan.
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Um, the CGI in XI was in extremely high quality. What shots did you thing looked "very poor"? Cause the VFX quality in that film was fantastic.
Um, the CGI in XI was in extremely high quality. What shots did you thing looked "very poor"? Cause the VFX quality in that film was fantastic.
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The CG work of the ships in Abrams's Trek movie blows away any model work in the history of Star Trek for realism and detail.
The CG work of the ships in Abrams's Trek movie blows away any model work in the history of Star Trek for realism and detail.
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Considering this thread is actually addressing a question to a member of the production staff, it's understandable that it is separate from the rest to draw attention.
A sub-forum just for TNG where people can open multiple threads to discuss it? What a stupid idea.
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I dont think it will be like the controversial Superman (1978) remix done in 2000 with added new Sound FX for that DVD (but not used for the Superman Blu-ray. Some of the james bond movies on dvd have added soundFX for the 5.1 mixes too.
Possibly a very basic automatic plug-in used to just wrap around the 5.1 mix to 7.1 surround like some dolby 6.1 ES mixes with a matrixed extra channel.At least it will be DTS Master audio like TOS-R with hardly and compression. Great for low leel ambience when scenes are set off the Enterprise and reverb tails on the music.
FYI the production dialog was all recorded analog on a Nagra.
They will use the same dialog, music, and soundFX stems created in 2002 for the 5.1 mix for the DVDs.
I dont think it will be like the controversial Superman (1978) remix done in 2000 with added new Sound FX for that DVD (but not used for the Superman Blu-ray. Some of the james bond movies on dvd have added soundFX for the 5.1 mixes too.
Possibly a very basic automatic plug-in used to just wrap around the 5.1 mix to 7.1 surround like some dolby 6.1 ES mixes with a matrixed extra channel.At least it will be DTS Master audio like TOS-R with hardly and compression. Great for low leel ambience when scenes are set off the Enterprise and reverb tails on the music.
FYI the production dialog was all recorded analog on a Nagra.
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That's very true.
The one worry for me on a personal level, is that by the end of next year (the assumed likely season one release date), I'll have had another year of watching and becoming even more accustomed to Blu-ray films with top notch visual CGI. Along will come TOS-R, and I'll watch it while thinking "yeah, it looks really nice. .but erm. . .so what?"
Only when you watch the Blu-ray and the DVD side by side, will the undoubted increase in quality and all the work done on the series become obvious.
It's kind of like Star Wars on Blu-ray. How much better does it really look compared to DVD?
That's very true.
The one worry for me on a personal level, is that by the end of next year (the assumed likely season one release date), I'll have had another year of watching and becoming even more accustomed to Blu-ray films with top notch visual CGI. Along will come TOS-R, and I'll watch it while thinking "yeah, it looks really nice. .but erm. . .so what?"
Only when you watch the Blu-ray and the DVD side by side, will the undoubted increase in quality and all the work done on the series become obvious.
It's kind of like Star Wars on Blu-ray. How much better does it really look compared to DVD?
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No need for a subforum or a sticky I think.
It's always been accepted practice that when big Trek news hits, there can be multiple threads about different aspects of the news. Having said that, that doesn't mean there can be total thread duplication, which this particular thread happens to be. So I'll merge this one with the original one. One of the others you listed is also duplicative, so is merged. The others are not on the first page or two anyway, as far as I can tell, so are unlikely to garner new posts. If they do, we'll see what's best to do then.
Otherwise, we'll just play it by ear, and let supply and demand determine the number and popularity of threads (complete duplication excepted, as mentioned). Call it light-touch market regulation, if you like.
I have very slightly retitled a couple of threads, to make it a bit clearer as to what thread is for what.
No need for a subforum or a sticky I think.
It's always been accepted practice that when big Trek news hits, there can be multiple threads about different aspects of the news. Having said that, that doesn't mean there can be total thread duplication, which this particular thread happens to be. So I'll merge this one with the original one. One of the others you listed is also duplicative, so is merged. The others are not on the first page or two anyway, as far as I can tell, so are unlikely to garner new posts. If they do, we'll see what's best to do then.
Otherwise, we'll just play it by ear, and let supply and demand determine the number and popularity of threads (complete duplication excepted, as mentioned). Call it light-touch market regulation, if you like.
I have very slightly retitled a couple of threads, to make it a bit clearer as to what thread is for what.
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