The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

[Maxwell Everett]

Here are some good looks at the alleged CGI model (Tobias Richter's) used in those two shots from "Sins of the Father" and "The Inner Light":

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZlUa_araWY[/yt]

http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92054&d=1312981074
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92024&d=1312887273
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92025&d=1312887286
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92455&d=1315058424
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92456&d=1315058424
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92457&d=1315058449

http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/showthread.php?77687-NCC-1701-D-USS-Enterprise

 

[22 Stars]

I gotta agree, if they make that shot a seamless tracking into Picard in the window that would be incredibly sweet, and a real call-back to the opening shot of The Cage.

Check back on page 43 (just a wild guess) for a similar comment I made.

Great minds!

 

[22 Stars]

That mesh is amazing, but it doesn't look nearly as 'authentic' as the one in those stills. The lifeboats look a little TOO detailed and not yellow enough.

 

[RAMA]

Who alleges this?

Here are some good looks at the alleged CGI model (Tobias Richter's) used in those two shots from "Sins of the Father" and "The Inner Light":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZlUa_araWY

http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92054&d=1312981074
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92024&d=1312887273
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92025&d=1312887286
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92455&d=1315058424
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92456&d=1315058424
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92457&d=1315058449

http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/showthread.php?77687-NCC-1701-D-USS-Enterprise

 

[Maxwell Everett]

That mesh is amazing, but it doesn't look nearly as 'authentic' as the one in those stills. The lifeboats look a little TOO detailed and not yellow enough.

Yeah, the texture maps have been altered so the lifeboats match the show better. Perhaps.

 

[Maxwell Everett]

Who alleges this?

The posters in his own thread at scifi-meshes.com. Look at the last two pages. It's not confirmed, but the lit window pattern matches the shots from the Blu-ray. Plus all the details sans the lifeboats look right.

It's not that far-fetched. Gameforge and CBS already commissioned him to make it for use in advertising Star Trek: Infinite Space: http://startrek-is.com/

He had nothing to do with the Infinite Space trailer on that page, but these are his work:
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92198&d=1313673391
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92199&d=1313673391

 

[trekker670]

If you read the first page, he explicitly states that he has no association with the TNG-R project, but would love to work on it if he could.

 

[Maxwell Everett]

If you read the first page, he explicitly states that he has no association with the TNG-R project, but would love to work on it if he could.

True, but later on 4th September 2011 he says:

Thank you - unfortunately, I won´t be releasing this model to the public. I plan to use it in a project - and some other stuff that I´ll let you know when I can talk about it.

Then two days ago he posted this:

Check out the pics...
http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/rev...ay-review.html

 

[Sho]

That's really great, Tobias deserves it.

 

[RAMA]

Who alleges this?

The posters in his own thread at scifi-meshes.com. Look at the last two pages. It's not confirmed, but the lit window pattern matches the shots from the Blu-ray. Plus all the details sans the lifeboats look right.

It's not that far-fetched. Gameforge and CBS already commissioned him to make it for use in advertising Star Trek: Infinite Space: http://startrek-is.com/

He had nothing to do with the Infinite Space trailer on that page, but these are his work:
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92198&d=1313673391
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92199&d=1313673391

Didn't say it was far-fetched but I haven't seen anyone claim or prove it.

 

[Maxwell Everett]

Didn't say it was far-fetched but I haven't seen anyone claim or prove it.

You're right, it's still completely circumstantial.

 

[Trekker4747]

Here are some good looks at the alleged CGI model (Tobias Richter's) used in those two shots from "Sins of the Father" and "The Inner Light":

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZlUa_araWY[/yt]

http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92054&d=1312981074
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92024&d=1312887273
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92025&d=1312887286
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92455&d=1315058424
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92456&d=1315058424
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92457&d=1315058449

http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/showthread.php?77687-NCC-1701-D-USS-Enterprise

That model is... "nice" but not nearly as flawless as the one we've seen in the promos for this set and it has at least one glaring inaccuracy (the saucer impulse engines being lit) and other minor flaws to it. It looks to much like a plastic model/CGI creation. The model we've seen in these promos looks much, much better.

 

[NewHorizon]

Here are some good looks at the alleged CGI model (Tobias Richter's) used in those two shots from "Sins of the Father" and "The Inner Light":



http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92054&d=1312981074
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92024&d=1312887273
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92025&d=1312887286
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92455&d=1315058424
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92456&d=1315058424
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92457&d=1315058449

http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/showthread.php?77687-NCC-1701-D-USS-Enterprise

That model is... "nice" but not nearly as flawless as the one we've seen in the promos for this set and it has at least one glaring inaccuracy (the saucer impulse engines being lit) and other minor flaws to it. It looks to much like a plastic model/CGI creation. The model we've seen in these promos looks much, much better.

Those are work in progress shots, they're clearly not going to look like a scene that has been fully rendered to match the existing TNG filmed footage. They would have had to setup completely different lighting and add film grain. They can also turn the impulse engines off on the model as Mr. Richter would either have given them the model's project files or would have made the changes for CBS. That's why the work in progress shots look even more like CGI than the finished work in the promos.

The model is definitely a nice marriage between the 4 foot and 6 foot models.

 

[Flake]

It is Richters model, look at the lit saucer rim windows on those beauty shots - they match the ones that are lit on the Inner Light screenshot.

EDIT: as posted above Richter admitted himself!

I always wondered if that and the other models he is making recently (Reliant, Stargazer, Orbital Office, Excelsior) are for TNG-R and they are! I always lurk on that forum and look at the wonderful artwork they all make. Lots of talent that can (and now has!) be tapped by people on the TNG project.

 

[Tomalak]

There are a couple of little bits and pieces to correct, but that mesh is stunning, easily one of the best pieces of CGI I've seen. It's never going to quite match the original six-footer, but rather that than the four-footer.

So what's with all the mixed messages coming out about this? All the promo stuff stresses it's using the original materials (with the possible caveat of "where possible"), but then there's CGI shots in the teaser disc, where there surely shouldn't need to be. Has there been any official comment about this?

I wouldn't be at all upset with some CGI additions, and perhaps some more dynamic shots to replace the repetitious stock footage, but it would be nice to know what the policy is going to be.

 

[bullethead]

There are a couple of little bits and pieces to correct, but that mesh is stunning, easily one of the best pieces of CGI I've seen. It's never going to quite match the original six-footer, but rather that than the four-footer.

So what's with all the mixed messages coming out about this? All the promo stuff stresses it's using the original materials (with the possible caveat of "where possible"), but then there's CGI shots in the teaser disc, where there surely shouldn't need to be. Has there been any official comment about this?

I wouldn't be at all upset with some CGI additions, and perhaps some more dynamic shots to replace the repetitious stock footage, but it would be nice to know what the policy is going to be.

It could be that CBS/whoever is in charge of the project isn't really sure at this point of what they're policy is going to be. There aren't a lot of episodes where the CGI model would need to be used or would provide an opportunity to correct mistakes (like the fact that the hole in the saucer in Q Who disappears or the lack of damage on the Enterprise-D model in BOBW) in season 1, but there might be a few where it could allow them to produce a better final product (Arsenal of Freedom, for example; the engineering hull skirting the atmosphere looks kinda dumb).

At this stage of the project, now that they have some confidence in the CGI and the overall quality of their product, they're probably going to tackle the long range decisions that need to be made about the CGI.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

My nature tends towards being a purist but it would be good if all the parties involved were on the same page because I think the product would be better if that were the case no matter which direction they took.

 

[JarodRussell]

I don't find it surprising that Drexler & Co know nothing about what the other team does. We'll get an incoherent mix of episodes per season, one half has everything replaced with CG models, the other half has the original model shots.

 

[FrontierTrek]

Just updated TrekCore with a couple of features about the only new bonus feature on the sampler disc - a preview of Season 1 on Blu-Ray. Full (unwatermarked) 1080p screenshots of the trailer are included with a few little surprises in there!

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#s1bon

Plus - a first look at the cover art from Season 1:

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#s1cov

Watch out for another exclusive this weekend, plus we'll obviously be covering the Sampler Disc with the usual slew of hundreds of Blu-Ray screencaps soon enough!

 

[22 Stars]

Just updated TrekCore with a couple of features about the only new bonus feature on the sampler disc - a preview of Season 1 on Blu-Ray. Full (unwatermarked) 1080p screenshots of the trailer are included with a few little surprises in there!

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#s1bon

Plus - a first look at the cover art from Season 1:

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#s1cov

Watch out for another exclusive this weekend, plus we'll obviously be covering the Sampler Disc with the usual slew of hundreds of Blu-Ray screencaps soon enough!

Great job as always!