The Official STAR TREK Grading & Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

[Agent Richard07]

Leaving the birth scenes aside, I still have to smaller complaints or a complaint and a bit of a question, if you will. For one, I thought the ongoing battle was that bit too much of a frenzy or an assault in blinking, colorful and bright lights. For much of the actual battle, I didn't really know what was going on. I know it was probably intended to be a frenzy, with chaos aboard ship and all, but I prefer if I have more of a sense of what's going on.

Then I kind of have to question Captain Robau's decision to basically turn himself in. I don't really see what he hopes to gain. Plus I'm not quite sure when the ship loses its Warp drive. I seem to remember wondering at one point - before they lose it - why they don't just get the hell out of there. Maybe somebody can clear the sequence up a bit for me. I know I came out of it wondering if the loss of the ship and part of its crew couldn't have been avoided.

I asked myself the same thing. Nevermind beaming over, why didn't they just get out of there in the first place? Maybe they need to project strength and aren't trained to cut and run? I don't know.

 

[indranee]

Feds don't run?

wasn't the warp drive damaged in the first attack as well as the communications and transporting ability? wait, did they have transporting ability to begin with in that era?

 

[Gepard]

Leaving the birth scenes aside, I still have to smaller complaints or a complaint and a bit of a question, if you will. For one, I thought the ongoing battle was that bit too much of a frenzy or an assault in blinking, colorful and bright lights. For much of the actual battle, I didn't really know what was going on. I know it was probably intended to be a frenzy, with chaos aboard ship and all, but I prefer if I have more of a sense of what's going on.

Well, Gods, you basically summed up all the action in the entire movie.

 

[drmick]

Finally I am not alone in my disappointment with Star Trek:
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/inconsistencies-trekxi.htm

Unfortunately he seems to be getting a lot of hassle for his opinions. Which I can understand. At least one person was slightly insulting to me earlier in this thread:
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/misc/trekxi-faq.htm

 

[indranee]

of course you're not alone. look up... you've got 83 other people with you right here on this board. so stop feeling sorry for yourselves

 

[donners22]

Saw it for the third time and probably enjoyed it the least of them. Once I can sit back and actually think about what's going on, rather than just going with the flow, the ridiculous nature of the film becomes quite evident.

At least this time I got to stay through the whole end credits (since there were only three others in the cinema). Had to laugh when I saw the songs were performed by someone supposedly named Cyrano Jones!

 

[M'Sharak]

Had to laugh when I saw the songs were performed by someone supposedly named Cyrano Jones!

I recall someone else mentioning that here, possibly in one of the soundtrack discussions.

 

[AnnLouise]

the K/S friendship was there... just, in its infancy. after all, we're seeing how it all started, right?

Oh of course...but I'm used to seeing the TOS level of friendship, and it's just weird to see it's beginnings in an alternate timeline.

I was also wondering stuff like "what about Capt. April?" and "How are they going to do Amok Time with no Vulcan?", so you can see I was concentrating on the really important stuff.

Today, I was remembering the Spock/McCoy chess scene from "Court-Martial" and how that kind of encapsulated what I love about the relationships from TOS. It's a compliement to JJ and everyone involved that a longtime Trek viewer like me could see enough of that to get me into the film, while still bringing in new viewers.

 

[pookha]

Leaving the birth scenes aside, I still have to smaller complaints or a complaint and a bit of a question, if you will. For one, I thought the ongoing battle was that bit too much of a frenzy or an assault in blinking, colorful and bright lights. For much of the actual battle, I didn't really know what was going on. I know it was probably intended to be a frenzy, with chaos aboard ship and all, but I prefer if I have more of a sense of what's going on.

Then I kind of have to question Captain Robau's decision to basically turn himself in. I don't really see what he hopes to gain. Plus I'm not quite sure when the ship loses its Warp drive. I seem to remember wondering at one point - before they lose it - why they don't just get the hell out of there. Maybe somebody can clear the sequence up a bit for me. I know I came out of it wondering if the loss of the ship and part of its crew couldn't have been avoided.

I asked myself the same thing. Nevermind beaming over, why didn't they just get out of there in the first place? Maybe they need to project strength and aren't trained to cut and run? I don't know.

they lost warp drive (you see robau talking to the chief engineer) transporters and most of their shields in that first attack.

if one listens to robau talking to kirk it is pretty obvious he is going over just to buy them time to evacuate if they have too.

he even tells kirk to put the ship on autopilot (which is knocked out in the attack when robau is killed) and get away.

a lot of how communication works depends on how close a ship is to a subspace booster relay.

even in tos they sometimes had instead communications but other times had to wait for communications to go through.

other things like weird anomalies ect could have played a part.

 

[suarezguy]

George Kirk reminded me too much of Trip Tucker, so there was some dislike-by-association from the beginning.

 

[Australis]

^ I didn't gett hat vibe at all. We must have seen different movies.

 

[indranee]

^ yeah, I didn't either. Tucker's not my favorite character in Trek or ENT, so that'd have been bad

I love Pine as Kirk!

 

[Borgminister]

Pine was the most difficult to get used to, but he did a splendid job. Just hope they don't make him channel Shatner too much next movie...

 

[KimMH]

It would be better for Pine to find his own way as Kirk.

 

[indranee]

I think he is on his way. he did a fantastic job.

 

[Hyperspace05]

Leaving the birth scenes aside, I still have to smaller complaints or a complaint and a bit of a question, if you will. For one, I thought the ongoing battle was that bit too much of a frenzy or an assault in blinking, colorful and bright lights. For much of the actual battle, I didn't really know what was going on. I know it was probably intended to be a frenzy, with chaos aboard ship and all, but I prefer if I have more of a sense of what's going on.

Then I kind of have to question Captain Robau's decision to basically turn himself in. I don't really see what he hopes to gain. Plus I'm not quite sure when the ship loses its Warp drive. I seem to remember wondering at one point - before they lose it - why they don't just get the hell out of there. Maybe somebody can clear the sequence up a bit for me. I know I came out of it wondering if the loss of the ship and part of its crew couldn't have been avoided.

I asked myself the same thing. Nevermind beaming over, why didn't they just get out of there in the first place? Maybe they need to project strength and aren't trained to cut and run? I don't know.

Exactly what part of the "Warp drive knocked out" line in the movie did you miss? It's there, listen to the status updates coming from the crew in the Kelvin bridge scenes.

 

[MyCylon]

^
We heard the line. The question is one of timing. Speaking only for myself, I've only seen the movie once (and don't plan on going to the cinema again to see it) so I can't quite remember. But the feeling I got from watching once was that they did have the time to get out of there BEFORE the warpdrive was taken out.

 

[archeryguy1701]

I'm going to resee it tonight or tomorrow, but the report of warp being down came pretty quick... I think the only shot they would have had at getting out would have been if they turned tail and ran as soon as they saw Narada coming out.

 

[Hyperspace05]

I'm going to resee it tonight or tomorrow, but the report of warp being down came pretty quick... I think the only shot they would have had at getting out would have been if they turned tail and ran as soon as they saw Narada coming out.

Yep - and even then it might have been too late. The Narada fired on them virtually instantly after it emerged for the anomaly. That first volley took out the warp drive.

 

[archeryguy1701]

Just got back from it and Hyperspace05 is correct... warp was reported down immediately after the first shot.