Spoilers The NCC-82893 Thread

[Tuskin38]

To me it looks like a ship that would fit right in with the fleet from First Contact.

But it has nothing in common with any of the 24th Century ships. It's too rugged and blocky.

 

[shapeshifter]

Aesthetically, I prefer this one.

Giving the bridge module an ability to bug out from the ship could become controversial though, I wonder.

 

[Dukhat]

Storyboards are hardly definitive, unless you also believe that the Picard production team legitimately thought a few Nova-class ships was a viable threat to a Romulan war fleet?

None of that matters. The point was that the person making that storyboard used a design that they thought was contemporary to the time period.

But it has nothing in common with any of the 24th Century ships. It's too rugged and blocky.

What? So the Steamrunner, Saber and Norway classes were not rugged and blocky?

 

[Vale]

None of that matters. The point was that the person making that storyboard used a design that they thought was contemporary to the time period.

Prove it. Looks like they're just sketching in placeholders to me.

 

[Dukhat]

Prove it. Looks like they're just sketching in placeholders to me.

I don’t need to prove it. It’s right there in front of you. The ‘placeholders’ could have just been generic shapes. The fact that they specifically used a fleet of Nova classes along with Shepard classes (which they already had the production assets for from DSC) clearly shows their line of thought about the design.

 

[DEWLine]

So:
Cardenas > Radiant > Constellation > ...?...>Sagan?
Works for me!

 

[F. King Daniel]

You’re entitled to your opinion. To me it looks like a ship that would fit right in with the fleet from First Contact. The miniscule features that it has in common with the other DSC season 1 ships pales in comparison to the more advanced rest of the design. They even used it for storyboarding in PIC along with the Nova class. So clearly I’m not the only one who thinks this.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RYMG_IXo_IA/Xs5SneopZWI/AAAAAAABDTU/msz_kSz_0zE97UlE0dMrZWTwiRGD4_vTQCPcBGAsYHg/s1600/Aaron+Sowd+Star+Trek+Picard+1x10+Et+in+Arcadia+Ego+fleet+storyboard.jpg

Kind of an unfair comparison though since Disco S1 ships were deliberately designed not to fit in to TOS continuity, then smooshed in when they decided to go all Shared Universe. PIC ships are designed to fit in from the get-go.

 

[Tuskin38]

clearly shows their line of thought about the design.

It honestly doesn't, the artist probably just grabbed random ships they had on hand. They're placeholder, they were never intended to be used.

 

[Vale]

I don’t need to prove it. It’s right there in front of you. The ‘placeholders’ could have just been generic shapes. The fact that they specifically used a fleet of Nova classes along with Shepard classes (which they already had the production assets for from DSC) clearly shows their line of thought about the design.

So "couple of tiny thirty-year-old science ships vs Romulan battle fleet" is an entirely sensible realistic prospect then. Gotcha

 

[fireproof78]

Ships are supposed to serve for 100+ years, at least from my reading in the technical side. So, why not?

 

[Dukhat]

Kind of an unfair comparison though since Disco S1 ships were deliberately designed not to fit in to TOS continuity…

Exactly my point. The Cardenas class looks no more like a TOS ship than the Sovereign class does. It certainly doesn’t look less advanced than the Radiant class which comes after it.

So:
Cardenas > Radiant > Constellation > ...?...>Sagan?
Works for me!

Doesn’t quite work for me.

 

[Tuskin38]

Nothing says the Radiant comes after it though.

Nothing in canon says the TOS Connie comes after it either. Enterprise launched in 2245, 11 years before Discovery, so the first Connie, probably launched a year or more earlier.

 

[DaveyNY]

Why can't the Cardenas & Radiant classes be contemporary's?

The Enterprise and the Discovery are.

Whose to say Star Fleet didn't have several lines of starships under construction at the same time?

We already know that there are several Starship Building Facilities in the Sol system alone, never mind amongst other Federation member systems.

 

[Tuskin38]

True, the TNG Era had several different design languages happening at once.

 

[Vale]

True, the TNG Era had several different design languages happening at once.

I once posited that this was because different shipyards had different design philosophies, in the same way that the major technology companies do today.

So, for example, the Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards in the mid-24th century favoured these chunky rounded shapes as we see in the Challenger, Cheyenne, Freedom, New Orleans, and Springfield classes, and culminating in the smoothly blended chonkers that are the Galaxy, Nebula, and Intrepid classes.

Other shipyards, such as the San Francisco and Beta Antares Fleet Yards, favoured a more elongated, skeletal form factor, such as the much more elegant and modular Constitution, Excelsior, Sovereign, and Prometheus classes.

Taking this to its logical conclusion we could argue that the Intrepid and Prometheus class are more-or-less the same ship spec on paper, just built according to the alternative aesthetics of differing design schools, and functionally optimised accordingly. We might also argue that the "curviplanar" look of the First Contact era ships – the Akira, Steamrunner, Saber, and Defiant in its own way – represent a post-Wolf 359 unification of the best technological aspects of both design schools.

 

[Tosk]

True, the TNG Era had several different design languages happening at once.

And I liked it that way. The continual Eaves-ification of Starfleet starts to get boring IMO.

 

[Vale]

The continual Eaves-ification of Starfleet starts to get boring IMO.

 

[Mondragon]

LOL once this thread drops beyond p2, it's gone cause I'll never remember or do a search by the registry number.
So can mods put the ships name Stargazer back in the title already.

Nice shot ...

"STARGAZER" name registry under deflector ^ dish/sensor.

At least we now know where Joe's Defiant Shuttle ended up^ even looks like it has a spot for landing gear under the "wings".

or ..

LOL kidding, great model detail from underneath.
https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1510828648688865286?t=quG4RQhcSrIT0OvdVG92ig&s=19

Great looking ship, really hope the Stargazer comes back once the time-line is restored, and they don't have to blow it (and themselves) up.

 

[Mondragon]

I do like that TOS-era Stargazer design! But I can't help but wonder if it should have been a Cardenas-class?

Maybe the issue is that the Cardenas looked too advanced compared to the Constellation...

The Cardenas-class is a pre-TOS ship. Lorca's command before Discovery was the Cardenas-class USS Buran.
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...But as Discovery already introduced a mid-23rd Century four-nacelled ship I'm just curious as to why they didn't make a previous Stargazer one, especially as it would have given them the opportunity to add a new tie between Picard and Discovery.

I never caught up on Discovery, so what was the fate of the Buran, and Earth Prime Lorca for that mater?
Just presumed lost? Or did we ever see a dead "body"? Of him or his ship?

The Cardenas-class is a pre-TOS ship.....
Don't get me wrong, I love the old-school simplified TOS style
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Here's another take on a TOS era "Cardenas". Looks fantastic.
https://bolidecascade.wordpress.com/2019/06/20/cardenas-class-pt-iii/

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

From memory, the Buran was self-destructed by either Prime or Mirror Lorca, and Mirror Lorca claimed he did it to prevent his crew from being captured and tortured by the Klingons (he's not entirely trustworthy but he never gave an alternate explanation). Prime Lorca's fate is a mystery.