Spoilers The NCC-82893 Thread

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

Considering how many insane admirals have dropped in over the years, you'd think that only the local command crew would be authorized to blow up the damn ship. Can any command level officer who wanders by just blow up your damn ship if they're feeling like offing everybody?

 

[fireproof78]

Considering how many insane admirals have dropped in over the years, you'd think that only the local command crew would be authorized to blow up the damn ship. Can any command level officer who wanders by just blow up your damn ship if they're feeling like offing everybody?

Yes.

 

[Llywela]

...I mean, back in season one we learned that Oh's threat to destroy the ibn Majid remotely was credible enough that Captain Vandermeer committed murder and then suicide over it, so...visiting fleet admiral with instant destruct codes seems about par for that course! That's just how Starfleet rolls, right?

 

[fireproof78]

Starfleet is a system built on trust.

 

[Llywela]

Starfleet is a system built on trust.

Exactly. So visiting fleet admirals have override auto-destruct codes and are trusted to only use them if absolutely necessary. Starfleet builds in the capacity to remotely destroy any of its ships, and everyone trusts them to only do so if absolutely necessary. Except, of course, for when it all goes wrong and infiltrators climb the ranks into a position where they can use that power for evil, but them's the breaks.

 

[Mondragon]

Reviving The U.S.S. Stargazer

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Also LOL Paramount vid celebrating and promoting the return of the Stargazer. Mods still refuse to bring back the full title of the Stargazer thread.

!Dale!

 

[NCC-73515]

Perhaps the computer is aware of the current urgency level and only requires 2 or 3 people to initiate self-destruct when it knows there's no immediate threat. It knew here that the whole fleet is getting assimilated and the queen was gonna take over every ship function is just a few moments, that's why a quick and dirty authorization was enough.

 

[Tuskin38]

From Drexler
"Stargazer Approval Model. From here it goes to VFX, where they rebuild it, texture it, trick it out, and light it beautifully."

Drexer implies, and it's even notable looking at the model, they designed the bridge to separate from the ship

 

[Vale]

Drexer implies, and it's even notable looking at the model, they designed the bridge to separate from the ship

Jesus, how many nacelles does one ship need

 

[Vale]

A couple more kewl images from Bill Krause on Twitter.
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I do like that TOS-era Stargazer design! But I can't help but wonder if it should have been a Cardenas-class?

Maybe the issue is that the Cardenas looked too advanced compared to the Constellation...

 

[CommanderTrip]

From Drexler
"Stargazer Approval Model. From here it goes to VFX, where they rebuild it, texture it, trick it out, and light it beautifully."

Drexer implies, and it's even notable looking at the model, they designed the bridge to separate from the ship

The Stargazer bridge being able to eject/detach evokes hints of Galaxy Quest and Voyager's Aeroshuttle. I am digging S2 of Picard the more I dig into the BTS stuff. I didn't think that was possible

 

[Mondragon]

Drexer implies, and it's even notable looking at the model, they designed the bridge to separate from the ship

That's great, although sometimes these design concepts never factor into the show.
I remember Voyager had a shuttle(similar to STI's Captains yacht) designed to drop out from under the bridge- designed, rendered, they even did a test animation with it, yet they never used it in show.
I hope this visually does come into play, and we actually do see it separate on the show.

 

[Mondragon]

I do like that TOS-era Stargazer design! But I can't help but wonder if it should have been a Cardenas-class?

Maybe the issue is that the Cardenas looked too advanced compared to the Constellation...

That is another strong design for a four nacelle ship.
New Stargazer could as well have been a proto Cardenas . Or some visual intermediate between the original(Constellation class?) and the Cardenas class .
Not sure what determines switching or "claiming" a new class when they already have a class that serves that ongoing design narrative? Maybe just each creator trying to stake their claim?
I do love the Carl Sagan reference, should definitely have a ship named after him, this seems like a good place as any.

That said...

The Cardenas-class name came from a list of test pilots and space pioneers compiled by the art department. Eaves found that US Air Force brigadier general Robert Cardenas had piloted the B-29 plane that launched Chuck Yeager's first manned supersonic flight aboard a Bell X-1. - https://derekhorne.tripod.com/cardenas.html

Seems like a cool pilot.

Cardenas' B-29 Superfortresses carrying Yeager’s X-1

Damn Cardenas also flew the unique Northrop YB-49 “flying Wing”

But I can't help but wonder if it should have been a Cardenas-class?

Or maybe with Rios + La Sirena + Emmet + ¡Dale! + Cardenas (one of the few obscure (Mendez & Torres notwithstanding)Hispanic names in Starfleet) - it might have been way to much Hispanic heritage reference all in one place at the same time for some people to start to panic LOL kidding, most likely would't even know.
Having Rios, La Sirena, and a Cardenas class with some re-design to reflect the new Stargazer all together would have been an interesting take.

These designers really just want to put their own stamp on a similar idea, I think (as they should).

 

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

The Stargazer bridge being able to eject/detach evokes hints of Galaxy Quest and Voyager's Aeroshuttle. I am digging S2 of Picard the more I dig into the BTS stuff. I didn't think that was possible

A bridge that is functionally just a docked secondary craft makes sense, and actually offers a good reason, for once, for the bridge being at the exposed top of the saucer.

 

[Vale]

That is another strong design for a four nacelle ship.
New Stargazer could as well have been a proto Cardenas . Or some visual intermediate between the original(Constellation class?) and the Cardenas class .

The Cardenas-class is a pre-TOS ship. Lorca's command before Discovery was the Cardenas-class USS Buran. It predates the Constellation-class. I'm fine with the Stargazer NCC-82893 being Sagan-class; it's the pre-Constellation Stargazer I'm curious about.

Don't get me wrong, I love the old-school simplified TOS style of the Radiant-class... I mean, just look at it, it's superb!...

...But as Discovery already introduced a mid-23rd Century four-nacelled ship I'm just curious as to why they didn't make a previous Stargazer one, especially as it would have given them the opportunity to add a new tie between Picard and Discovery.

 

[Vale]

A bridge that is functionally just a docked secondary craft makes sense, and actually offers a good reason, for once, for the bridge being at the exposed top of the saucer.

It's a sensible idea and something that has been posited before many times – we know bridge modules are swappable, just strap a runabout warp drive to one and away you go! – though it's the first time we've seen it as part of a hero starship. I believe the TNG Technical Manual suggested that the Enterprise-D bridge could be ejected as a giant lifeboat in an emergency, though of course it had no engines to speak of; and when Andrew Probert collaborated with Tobias Richter on the original Ambassador-class concept he added swing-out nacelles to the bridge superstructure as an "advanced escape module":

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

The Cardenas-class is a pre-TOS ship. Lorca's command before Discovery was the Cardenas-class USS Buran. It predates the Constellation-class. I'm fine with the Stargazer NCC-82893 being Sagan-class; it's the pre-Constellation Stargazer I'm curious about.

Don't get me wrong, I love the old-school simplified TOS style of the Radiant-class... I mean, just look at it, it's superb!...

...But as Discovery already introduced a mid-23rd Century four-nacelled ship I'm just curious as to why they didn't make a previous Stargazer one, especially as it would have given them the opportunity to add a new tie between Picard and Discovery.

If anything, I think there should be a Cardenas class Stargazer in between the Constellation and Radiant classes to fill out the line.

 

[Vale]

If anything, I think there should be a Cardenas class Stargazer in between the Constellation and Radiant classes to fill out the line.

The Cardenas-class should predate the Radiant-class, given that the production team's intent with the Radiant-class Stargazer was that it dates from the late 2260s and the Cardenas-class is already an established class by the early 2250s. If we assume the Cardenas-class is a contemporary of the Walker-class then it could even date from the early 23rd century.

They could have also had a Cheyenne-class Stargazer between the Constellation-class and the Sagan-class, to bridge the 2350s and the 2400s.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

...But as Discovery already introduced a mid-23rd Century four-nacelled ship I'm just curious as to why they didn't make a previous Stargazer one, especially as it would have given them the opportunity to add a new tie between Picard and Discovery.

The impression I get is that they made a deliberate choice to connect more to the look of the TOS era than the Discovery era. Either that or they just weren't aware of the ship.

 

[Vale]

The impression I get is that they made a deliberate choice to connect more to the look of the TOS era than the Discovery era. Either that or they just weren't aware of the ship.

Me too, I'm just "what-if"ing