You may very well be the only one.
Game The Most Disliked Second Season Episode
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If I know that I'm not likely to get another vote in a particular contest (because, say, I'm going to work or to dinner or to bed), and a weak episode that I happen to like is still on the board, sometimes I'll vote for that one over a stronger episode because I'm reasonably sure somebody will vote to save the stronger episode before the game is over. Whereas, if I don't vote for the weaker one, it just may lose, and I like it well enough not to want that to happen. You may notice that VOY: "The Fight" has one win in the 2022 rounds -- that's because I got in quickly enough to save it in all the other rounds it appeared in. I genuinely like the weird scene where all the characters are speaking over one another, using words from their dialogue earlier in the episode. Apparently I'm the only one!
Isn't that considered tactical voting? 
Regarding "THE FIGHT", I will say the idea of Chaotic Space is unique. I just think the execution of the episode was not good.
Regarding "THE FIGHT", I will say the idea of Chaotic Space is unique. I just think the execution of the episode was not good.
I suppose you could make a case for that. But I am actually voting for the episode because I like it, so surely that's legit enough?
Yes. I was just screwing with you, hence the smiling face.
Well, I think what we really want to avoid is the stated elimination reason being something tactical -- that misses the point, when people aren't talking about the episode itself when they save it. But we haven't really had that problem in awhile. As long as people are saving an episode they truly love and saying something they love about it, I think that's fair play.
(Or, to revise that for the end of a round: as long as people are saving an episode they find less bad than the others remaining and saying something they find less bad about it...)
I mean, for me, so many of these lists... there could be 100 episodes, and I'll feel like there's a 75-way tie for my favorite, so there's a lot of random whim involved in which ones of those I end up saving. Sometimes I find myself feeling particularly fondly towards an episode others hate, and wondering why exactly that is. Is it because I'm always sympathetic to the underdog? (As if the poor episode knows it has a bad rep, and needs SOMEBODY to love it) Or is that because it feels "better" simply to see qualities others don't? Is thinking of it like that a form of tactical voting?
But then I remind myself that "Sub Rosa" and "Basics" and (recently) "Shades Of Gray" are among my most rewatched episodes, and I go ahead and save them anyway...
(Or, to revise that for the end of a round: as long as people are saving an episode they find less bad than the others remaining and saying something they find less bad about it...)
I mean, for me, so many of these lists... there could be 100 episodes, and I'll feel like there's a 75-way tie for my favorite, so there's a lot of random whim involved in which ones of those I end up saving. Sometimes I find myself feeling particularly fondly towards an episode others hate, and wondering why exactly that is. Is it because I'm always sympathetic to the underdog? (As if the poor episode knows it has a bad rep, and needs SOMEBODY to love it) Or is that because it feels "better" simply to see qualities others don't? Is thinking of it like that a form of tactical voting?
But then I remind myself that "Sub Rosa" and "Basics" and (recently) "Shades Of Gray" are among my most rewatched episodes, and I go ahead and save them anyway...
I thought you were, and then I went back and read @Sakonna 's rules at the beginning of the thread, and my infinite overthinking drive kicked in.... (Don't you hate when that happens?)
Whew!
I totally thought "Perpetual Infinity" would take this one. But I do haaaaaaate "Shockwave, Part II", so that works too. 
I liked how well this played. I'm kind of surprised to discover lists this long still work as games. That makes me wonder what else would work -- an entire series? one list that's every episode and movie of the whole franchise?
But let's do a short one next: "The Most Disliked Wedding Episode." Hope to see you all there!
MOST DISLIKED WINNERS, 2022
WRITER GENE RODDENBERRY: TOS, Season 1: "Mudd's Women"
MAJEL BARRETT APPEARANCE: TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
3RD SEASON: TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
'HEY, THIS PLANET IS JUST LIKE EARTH!': TOS, Season 3: "Plato's Stepchildren"
ROMULAN: TAS, Season 2: "The Practical Joker"
DIRECTOR WINRICH KOLBE: TNG, Season 5: "The Masterpiece Society"
5TH SEASON: TNG, Season 5: "The Perfect Mate"
ROMANCE-OF-THE-WEEK: TNG, Season 6: "Aquiel"
KLINGON: TNG, Season 6: "Birthright, Part II"
DIRECTOR CLIFF BOLE: TNG, Season 7: "Liaisons"
DIRECTOR LES LANDAU: TNG, Season 7: "Dark Page"
WRITER RONALD D. MOORE: TNG, Season 7: "Journey's End"
7TH SEASON: TNG, Season 7: "Firstborn"
HOLIDAY: DS9, Season 3: "Meridian"
CARDASSIAN: DS9, Season 6: "Sons & Daughters"
MIRROR UNIVERSE: DS9, Season 6: "Resurrection"
FERENGI: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
COMEDIC/LIGHT-HEARTED: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
6TH SEASON: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
JEFFREY COMBS APPEARANCE: DS9, Season 7: "The Emperor's New Cloak"
WRITER JOE MENOSKY: VOY, Season 5: "The Fight"
HOLODECK: VOY, Season 6: "Spirit Folk"
MAQUIS: VOY, Season 7: "Repression"
BARCLAY: VOY, Season 7: "Inside Man"
2-PART/DOUBLE EPISODE: VOY, Season 7: "Flesh And Blood"
RECYCLED TITLE: ENT, Season 1: "Terra Nova"
VAUGHN ARMSTRONG APPEARANCE: ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
2ND SEASON: ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
DIRECTOR MIKE VEJAR: ENT, Season 3: "Rajiin"
DIRECTOR DAVID LIVINGSTON: ENT, Season 3: "Harbinger"
SEASON PREMIERE: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
EVERY 47TH RELEASE: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
VISIT TO EARTH'S PAST: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part II"
HOLLYWOOD REPORTER'S 100 BEST EPS: ENT, Season 4: "Home"
DIRECTOR ALLAN KROEKER: ENT, Season 4: "These Are The Voyages..."
TIME TRAVEL/TRAVELER/LOOP/ANOMALY: DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
FEMALE DIRECTOR: DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
SEASON FINALE ANTAGONIST: DIS, Season 2: Control
DIRECTOR JONATHAN FRAKES: DIS, Season 3: "There Is A Tide..."
47TH EPISODES: DIS, Season 4: "The Examples"
4TH SEASON: DIS, Season 4: "The Galactic Barrier"
4TH & 7TH EPISODES: ST, Season 2: "Ask Not"
TREK NOIR: PIC, "Broken Pieces"
CAST CROSSOVER: PIC, "Et In Arcardia Ego, Part 1"
GUINAN: PIC, "Monsters"
BORG/XB: PIC, "Mercy"
Q: PIC, "Mercy"
COUPLE: LD, Carol Freeman/Admiral Husband
REGULAR CHARACTER: PRO, Drednok
TRIPLE WINNERS
DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
DOUBLE WINNERS
TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
PIC, Season 2: "Mercy"
TOTAL SHOW WINS
SNW & Movies: 0 wins
TAS, ST, LD & PRO: 1 win each
TOS: 4 wins
VOY & PIC: 5 wins each
DIS: 6 wins
DS9: 7 wins
TNG: 8 wins
ENT: 10 wins
I liked how well this played. I'm kind of surprised to discover lists this long still work as games. That makes me wonder what else would work -- an entire series? one list that's every episode and movie of the whole franchise?
But let's do a short one next: "The Most Disliked Wedding Episode." Hope to see you all there!
MOST DISLIKED WINNERS, 2022
WRITER GENE RODDENBERRY: TOS, Season 1: "Mudd's Women"
MAJEL BARRETT APPEARANCE: TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
3RD SEASON: TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
'HEY, THIS PLANET IS JUST LIKE EARTH!': TOS, Season 3: "Plato's Stepchildren"
ROMULAN: TAS, Season 2: "The Practical Joker"
DIRECTOR WINRICH KOLBE: TNG, Season 5: "The Masterpiece Society"
5TH SEASON: TNG, Season 5: "The Perfect Mate"
ROMANCE-OF-THE-WEEK: TNG, Season 6: "Aquiel"
KLINGON: TNG, Season 6: "Birthright, Part II"
DIRECTOR CLIFF BOLE: TNG, Season 7: "Liaisons"
DIRECTOR LES LANDAU: TNG, Season 7: "Dark Page"
WRITER RONALD D. MOORE: TNG, Season 7: "Journey's End"
7TH SEASON: TNG, Season 7: "Firstborn"
HOLIDAY: DS9, Season 3: "Meridian"
CARDASSIAN: DS9, Season 6: "Sons & Daughters"
MIRROR UNIVERSE: DS9, Season 6: "Resurrection"
FERENGI: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
COMEDIC/LIGHT-HEARTED: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
6TH SEASON: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
JEFFREY COMBS APPEARANCE: DS9, Season 7: "The Emperor's New Cloak"
WRITER JOE MENOSKY: VOY, Season 5: "The Fight"
HOLODECK: VOY, Season 6: "Spirit Folk"
MAQUIS: VOY, Season 7: "Repression"
BARCLAY: VOY, Season 7: "Inside Man"
2-PART/DOUBLE EPISODE: VOY, Season 7: "Flesh And Blood"
RECYCLED TITLE: ENT, Season 1: "Terra Nova"
VAUGHN ARMSTRONG APPEARANCE: ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
2ND SEASON: ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
DIRECTOR MIKE VEJAR: ENT, Season 3: "Rajiin"
DIRECTOR DAVID LIVINGSTON: ENT, Season 3: "Harbinger"
SEASON PREMIERE: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
EVERY 47TH RELEASE: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
VISIT TO EARTH'S PAST: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part II"
HOLLYWOOD REPORTER'S 100 BEST EPS: ENT, Season 4: "Home"
DIRECTOR ALLAN KROEKER: ENT, Season 4: "These Are The Voyages..."
TIME TRAVEL/TRAVELER/LOOP/ANOMALY: DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
FEMALE DIRECTOR: DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
SEASON FINALE ANTAGONIST: DIS, Season 2: Control
DIRECTOR JONATHAN FRAKES: DIS, Season 3: "There Is A Tide..."
47TH EPISODES: DIS, Season 4: "The Examples"
4TH SEASON: DIS, Season 4: "The Galactic Barrier"
4TH & 7TH EPISODES: ST, Season 2: "Ask Not"
TREK NOIR: PIC, "Broken Pieces"
CAST CROSSOVER: PIC, "Et In Arcardia Ego, Part 1"
GUINAN: PIC, "Monsters"
BORG/XB: PIC, "Mercy"
Q: PIC, "Mercy"
COUPLE: LD, Carol Freeman/Admiral Husband
REGULAR CHARACTER: PRO, Drednok
TRIPLE WINNERS
DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
DOUBLE WINNERS
TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
PIC, Season 2: "Mercy"
TOTAL SHOW WINS
SNW & Movies: 0 wins
TAS, ST, LD & PRO: 1 win each
TOS: 4 wins
VOY & PIC: 5 wins each
DIS: 6 wins
DS9: 7 wins
TNG: 8 wins
ENT: 10 wins
One list that's every episode and movie of the whole franchise?
I'm considering barfing at the very thought.
We'd all get confused after the first episode with such a long list. 
Or most disliked "Oh shit, an alien has taken over/replaced a crew member!" episode?
That's probably quite a long list.
Would you believe most of these list ideas already exist (at various states of completion)?
I'll run that one soon... if not next, within the next week.
That reminds me, we also have a "Latin Titles" list from before I've been meaning to resurrect...
This one we literally have two versions -- I made a list that was just proper names only, @Farscape One suggested we expand it to every title that contains a proper name, I wasn't sure which was the right one to run -- but now that you have also generated Farscape's same idea, we'll do that version.
I'll run that one soon... if not next, within the next week.That reminds me, we also have a "Latin Titles" list from before I've been meaning to resurrect...
I'm working on cracking this one. It is truly one of my favorite Trek tropes, so I want to play this list! But Trek has soooooooo many kinds of alien possession and replacement and so on, it is tricky to figure out where to draw the line. But I'm determined to figure it out.
I've also toyed around with the reverse of this -- episodes with the long poetic titles.
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