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Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?

There were pictures? I could only take so much of the preview on Amazon without risking serious harm.
 
Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?

See, I thought you bought the book. Money well spent and all.
 
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You're getting close to insulting me, sir. I must ask you to desist.
 
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ETA: I've noticed that someone called Dwight Huth is posting exactly the same comments as Dryson at space.com, including the LEGO dish comparison.

http://www.space.com/30948-dimming-star-alien-megastructure-mystery.html

The possible causes are morphic resonance, plagiarism, or they are one and the same person.

Yes, if you look back at most of his links with space.com posts, you can see him posting the same comments there as here. I've pointed this out a few times before.
 
Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?

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ETA: I've noticed that someone called Dwight Huth is posting exactly the same comments as Dryson at space.com, including the LEGO dish comparison.

http://www.space.com/30948-dimming-star-alien-megastructure-mystery.html

The possible causes are morphic resonance, plagiarism, or they are one and the same person.

Yes, if you look back at most of his links with space.com posts, you can see him posting the same comments there as here. I've pointed this out a few times before.

Not worth investing any time in, though, is it? Perhaps it's a syndrome similar to P K Dick's except that it manifests as a compulsion to write non-fiction rather than fiction.
 
Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?

I find it entertaining to go back and read some of those threads, particularly the one where we established a new branch of physics.

And, no, it's all still fiction.
 
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Well, faction -- other than the usual meaning of a group or clique -- is a story that uses real people or events as part of a fictional account, so for example, Carl Sagan or Jim Morrison in Dark Skies. Not an exact fit.

Anyway, way off topic...
 
Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?

It's unlikely, but I hope they have discovered a megastructure. It would be a much needed shot in the arm for human space exploration, a strong motivator to perhaps build our own large scale clean energy machine.
 
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I don't see why humans with all their life-support requirements need to do tedious jobs such as mining, processing, fabrication, and assembly. I would think these would be best done using nanotech and robots.
 
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If there were aliens there 1480 years ago, they just might not have been interested in advertising their presence. From http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1511/1511.01606.pdf

The observations presented here indicate no evidence for persistent technology-related
signals in the microwave frequency range 1 – 10 GHz with threshold sensitivities of 180
– 300 Jy in a 1 Hz channel for signals with 0.01 – 100 Hz bandwidth, and 100 Jy in a 100
kHz channel from 0.1 – 100 MHz.

These limits correspond to isotropic radio transmitter powers of 4 – 7 * 10^15 W and 10^20 W
for the narrowband and moderate band observations. These can be compared with
Earth’s strongest transmitters, including the Arecibo Observatory’s planetary radar (2 *
10^13 W EIRP). Clearly, the energy demands for a detectable signal from KIC 8462852
are far higher than this terrestrial example (largely as a consequence of the distance of
this star). On the other hand, these energy requirements could be very substantially
reduced if the emissions were beamed in our direction. Additionally, it’s worth noting
that any society able to construct a Dyson swarm will have an abundant energy source, as
the star furnishes energy at a level of ~10^27 watts

1 Jansky (Jy) = 10^−26 watts per square metre per hertz in SI units.
EIRP = Equivalent isotropically radiated power.

I find it amusing how journalists rush to conclusions and wilfully misinterpret experimental results. You'd think their livelihoods depended on it. Oh wait...

Still don't think it's likely to be aliens as finding one megastructure in such a small random sample of 80,000 stars implies there would be a couple of million of these structures in the milky way.
 
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Still don't think it's likely to be aliens as finding one megastructure in such a small random sample of 80,000 stars implies there would be a couple of million of these structures in the milky way.
Why would you think you have any idea of how likely it is? Perhaps an ancient civilization has been building megastructures around stars for hundreds of millions of years as they colonize the galaxy.

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Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?

Think how likely another alien species would think of finding a planet full of humans looking out into space for them among 80,000 stars. Is it possible that such a planet exists?

Another ideas I had was to take the light dim percentages from KIC and then turn them into associations involving letters from alphabets from around Earth.

Example a 15% dim would equal the 15th letter of any alphabet currently in use or in ancient form.

The dim percentages might also equate to an element on the Periodic Table of Elements.

Remember Barclay and his attmepts to contact Voyager?
 
Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?

Another ideas I had was to take the light dim percentages from KIC and then turn them into associations involving letters from alphabets from around Earth.

So, doing the math:
roughly 1400 years ago at the latest, they started doing this.

Which means they observed our alphabets roughly 1400 years before that. (speed of light from Earth reaching their telescopes)

This assuming it took them no time to actually construct this megastructure.

So, a minimum of 2800 years ago in our past is what they are looking at. In resolutions high enough to read text. Remember, the ancient world wasn't big on billboards pointed at the sky. (And no, the Nazca lines aren't old enough by about 1500 years even if they did constitute an "alphabet")

A quick google tells us that Egypt is the big civilization of the time with Greece starting to colonize parts of the Mediterranean basin.

These aliens would quickly determine that there is no civilization on earth advanced enough at the time to even see their star. never mind detect variations in it's luminosity at precise enough measurements to decode a message.
 
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I don't know? They really didn't explain what they thought it was. Nor if they were continuing to see the spikes.

Until they can say what it is with certainty, it'll still draw alien megastructure speculations.
 
Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?

Still don't think it's likely to be aliens as finding one megastructure in such a small random sample of 80,000 stars implies there would be a couple of million of these structures in the milky way.
Why would you think you have any idea of how likely it is? Perhaps an ancient civilization has been building megastructures around stars for hundreds of millions of years as they colonize the galaxy.

The Fermi Paradox -- I explained the numbers above: 200 billion / 80 thousand = 2.5 million based on the number of KST observed main sequence stars whose data has so far processed and the approximate number of main sequence stars in the galaxy.

If this is a megastructure, the lack of evidence that aliens have been to Earth implies that something (the Great Filter) wipes them out as soon as they start to look like they're going to start spreading across the galaxy or that we're on a reservation.

Time to open a casino?
 
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Another ideas I had was to take the light dim percentages from KIC and then turn them into associations involving letters from alphabets from around Earth.
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A quick google tells us that Egypt is the big civilization of the time with Greece starting to colonize parts of the Mediterranean basin.

Don't forget the Assyrian empire, Carthage, Chavin (in South America), various Indian city states, and Zhou China.

These aliens would quickly determine that there is no civilization on earth advanced enough at the time to even see their star. never mind detect variations in it's luminosity at precise enough measurements to decode a message.

I agree. I also doubt that they would start advertising their presence to all and sundry if anything nasty lurks out there or perhaps they're not that gregarious.
 
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