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Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?
You're not the first person to have such ideas.
See, for example, http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/1003.5938
quoted in http://news.discovery.com/space/do-we-overlook-alien-beacons.htm
and http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1211/1211.6470.pdf
Some people who post do here have science degrees, by the way. You can probably tell by our attitude...
You're not the first person to have such ideas.
See, for example, http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/1003.5938
quoted in http://news.discovery.com/space/do-we-overlook-alien-beacons.htm
and http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1211/1211.6470.pdf
Some people who post do here have science degrees, by the way. You can probably tell by our attitude...
Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?
Yeah, I'm not sure as what form of fallacy or cognitive bias to classify such a statement.
Yeah, I'm not sure as what form of fallacy or cognitive bias to classify such a statement.
Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?
I think exocomets can be ruled out because the dimming has been recorded at up to 22%. Comets that close to KIC to be detected might also be close enough to be vaporized thus causing the dim return to actually decrease and not increase. What ever the objects are they are solid.
If the objects were comets their orbit would be seem to speed up or be in front of or slow down or be behind of the other objects in the swarm. If the swarm is large enough to cause a 22% dim then the swarm is large enough to have its own gravity that would effect the objects within the swarm itself even possibly causing the objects to drift apart over time.
Several articles have called the swarm of comets exocomets meaning on the outside of the solar system. If the swarm of comets are in fact comets the gravity of KIC might not be enough to maintain them in a proper orbit this causing the dim that has appeared to be even more erratic.
At 22% dim it appears that the objects might be moving closer to KIC resulting in less dim and then moving away from KIC resulting in more dim as the objects block more of KIC the farther away from KIC they are and closer to Earth .
One way to determine if the objects are natural is to determine the time between each object as it has been recorded. If the times that are detected at traveling across the sun remains the same then the objects are artificial. If the time is not the same and there is a fluctuation then the objects are natural.
Look at the ISS. It has to remain in a constant orbit and uses thrusters to adjust its position to stay in the correct orbit which shows up as smooth and precise movements across the sky. Natural objects would be at the whim of gravity and other factors and would not be able to adjust their orbits this creating an eccentric and unsmooth pattern across the sky. Their pattern of orbit would be determined by their size of course smaller objects are less likely to overcome outside influences such as larger object gravitational forces which would effect the objects if they were a group of exo comets.
I think exocomets can be ruled out because the dimming has been recorded at up to 22%. Comets that close to KIC to be detected might also be close enough to be vaporized thus causing the dim return to actually decrease and not increase. What ever the objects are they are solid.
If the objects were comets their orbit would be seem to speed up or be in front of or slow down or be behind of the other objects in the swarm. If the swarm is large enough to cause a 22% dim then the swarm is large enough to have its own gravity that would effect the objects within the swarm itself even possibly causing the objects to drift apart over time.
Several articles have called the swarm of comets exocomets meaning on the outside of the solar system. If the swarm of comets are in fact comets the gravity of KIC might not be enough to maintain them in a proper orbit this causing the dim that has appeared to be even more erratic.
At 22% dim it appears that the objects might be moving closer to KIC resulting in less dim and then moving away from KIC resulting in more dim as the objects block more of KIC the farther away from KIC they are and closer to Earth .
One way to determine if the objects are natural is to determine the time between each object as it has been recorded. If the times that are detected at traveling across the sun remains the same then the objects are artificial. If the time is not the same and there is a fluctuation then the objects are natural.
Look at the ISS. It has to remain in a constant orbit and uses thrusters to adjust its position to stay in the correct orbit which shows up as smooth and precise movements across the sky. Natural objects would be at the whim of gravity and other factors and would not be able to adjust their orbits this creating an eccentric and unsmooth pattern across the sky. Their pattern of orbit would be determined by their size of course smaller objects are less likely to overcome outside influences such as larger object gravitational forces which would effect the objects if they were a group of exo comets.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?
Another idea is that the dim could be the result of a planet causing an eclipse. But I would have to think that to view a lunar or solar eclipse we would have to be very close to the eclispe itself in order to observe it.
If we were able to detect large planets as they pass across their sun because of how the planet causes the sun to dim because of blocking out a certain percentage of the sun's light then Kelpler would have discovered more oddities such as KIC as a result of planets passing across their sun.
The dim could also be a result of the same matter that is present in the Big Hole in the Universe that as the unknown matter passes across the sun it would block out some of its luminosity.
http://m.space.com/4271-huge-hole-universe.html
Another idea is that the dim could be the result of a planet causing an eclipse. But I would have to think that to view a lunar or solar eclipse we would have to be very close to the eclispe itself in order to observe it.
If we were able to detect large planets as they pass across their sun because of how the planet causes the sun to dim because of blocking out a certain percentage of the sun's light then Kelpler would have discovered more oddities such as KIC as a result of planets passing across their sun.
The dim could also be a result of the same matter that is present in the Big Hole in the Universe that as the unknown matter passes across the sun it would block out some of its luminosity.
http://m.space.com/4271-huge-hole-universe.html
Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?
You are totally misunderstanding the nature of the "hole". Nothing is being blocked.
Please, please — stop with the wild speculation. Otherwise peoples' heads will start exploding. You wouldn't want that on your conscience, would you?
You are totally misunderstanding the nature of the "hole". Nothing is being blocked.
Please, please — stop with the wild speculation. Otherwise peoples' heads will start exploding. You wouldn't want that on your conscience, would you?
Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?
So far the possibilities of what the object might be are the following:
1. Swarm of large exocomets.
2. Alien Megastructure
3. Mega asteroid that is the remnants of a planet.
4. Unknown matter passing across KIC's surface similar to matter that created areas of the Universe that are void of any stars or any other matter.
5. Mega sized planets.
6. Solar and or Lunar Eclipse.
7.Possible dust disk formed around KIC as the result of planetary annihilation.
8. Lopsided star - http://www.techinsider.io/alien-megastructure-explained-oblate-star-2015-10
If the object is an alien megastructure then I would think it would look similar to a LEGO space dish as seen below.
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/301527454743?_mwBanner=1
Wrapped around into a sphere the outer edges would allow light through but components built into the sphere would block light until the sphere's center blocked out the 22%.
So far the possibilities of what the object might be are the following:
1. Swarm of large exocomets.
2. Alien Megastructure
3. Mega asteroid that is the remnants of a planet.
4. Unknown matter passing across KIC's surface similar to matter that created areas of the Universe that are void of any stars or any other matter.
5. Mega sized planets.
6. Solar and or Lunar Eclipse.
7.Possible dust disk formed around KIC as the result of planetary annihilation.
8. Lopsided star - http://www.techinsider.io/alien-megastructure-explained-oblate-star-2015-10
If the object is an alien megastructure then I would think it would look similar to a LEGO space dish as seen below.
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/301527454743?_mwBanner=1
Wrapped around into a sphere the outer edges would allow light through but components built into the sphere would block light until the sphere's center blocked out the 22%.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?
I'm flabbergasted if the aliens are using LEGO to build a Dyson swarm or bubble. Perhaps they are more devious than we thought...
I'm flabbergasted if the aliens are using LEGO to build a Dyson swarm or bubble. Perhaps they are more devious than we thought...
Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?
It's a sign that your head is about to explode. Stand back!
I warned him about this.
It's a sign that your head is about to explode. Stand back!
I warned him about this.
Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?
Its obvious that you lack the ability to even form a comparison. Your jokes only fall back on yourself.
Its obvious that you lack the ability to even form a comparison. Your jokes only fall back on yourself.
Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?
Another idea I had was regarding the object causing the dim of KIC to be a planet that one time had water on it.
If we were to remove all of the water on planet Earth we would have some pretty interesting land features.
Challenger Deep is approximately 36,200 feet deep. If all of the other land masses of Earth were approximately the same height then the dim of the planet crossing in front of KIC would be hardly noticeable. But if a Challenger Deep is encountered on the planet crossing the path of KIC the light dim would noticeable as the higher land features would block out more sunlight from KIC where a 32,200 feet deep trench would allow that light pass through.
So maybe the results from Kepler are in fact the sunlight from KIC being affected by a planet that once had water on it but that water is now gone and is going through a change like Mars did in its past.
Another idea I had was regarding the object causing the dim of KIC to be a planet that one time had water on it.
If we were to remove all of the water on planet Earth we would have some pretty interesting land features.
Challenger Deep is approximately 36,200 feet deep. If all of the other land masses of Earth were approximately the same height then the dim of the planet crossing in front of KIC would be hardly noticeable. But if a Challenger Deep is encountered on the planet crossing the path of KIC the light dim would noticeable as the higher land features would block out more sunlight from KIC where a 32,200 feet deep trench would allow that light pass through.
So maybe the results from Kepler are in fact the sunlight from KIC being affected by a planet that once had water on it but that water is now gone and is going through a change like Mars did in its past.
Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?
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The first word of your fourth guess is the most likely cause of the dimming.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?
Or perhaps I'm just not as familiar with LEGO as you obviously are.
Or perhaps I'm just not as familiar with LEGO as you obviously are.
Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?
Those are some rich aliens! LEGO's are expensive!
Those are some rich aliens! LEGO's are expensive!
Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?
Ai Weiwei is envious.
ETA: I've noticed that someone called Dwight Huth is posting exactly the same comments as Dryson at space.com, including the LEGO dish comparison.
http://www.space.com/30948-dimming-star-alien-megastructure-mystery.html
The possible causes are morphic resonance, plagiarism, or they are one and the same person.
Ai Weiwei is envious.
ETA: I've noticed that someone called Dwight Huth is posting exactly the same comments as Dryson at space.com, including the LEGO dish comparison.
http://www.space.com/30948-dimming-star-alien-megastructure-mystery.html
The possible causes are morphic resonance, plagiarism, or they are one and the same person.
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Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?
Same person.
He was trying to sell a book here a while back and Dwight Huth was the authors name.
http://www.amazon.com/Indoctrinatio...F8&qid=1446660170&sr=8-1&keywords=dwight+huth
The sole review...
Same person.
He was trying to sell a book here a while back and Dwight Huth was the authors name.
http://www.amazon.com/Indoctrinatio...F8&qid=1446660170&sr=8-1&keywords=dwight+huth
The sole review...
Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?
Yeah, apparently early man and dinosaurs walked the Earth at the same time.
Yeah, apparently early man and dinosaurs walked the Earth at the same time.
Re: Has Kepler Discovered An Alien Megastructure?
No, no, no. We rode the dinosaurs. Didn't you look at the pictures?
Yeah, apparently early man and dinosaurs walked the Earth at the same time.
No, no, no. We rode the dinosaurs. Didn't you look at the pictures?
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