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Unsurprisingly, someone has already deepfaked the Luke scene. Honestly, it looks like a one step forward, two steps back kind of fix. The eyes look a lot more alive, but the flat lighting on the face makes the whole thing look detached from the body, and the matte line around the hair need a LOT more work.
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Like with the 'Rogue One' Takin and Leia scenes, it's also worth remembering that the deepfakes only look as good as they do because ILM already did all the heavy lifting by replicating the facial geometry. Trying to do that on the raw footage of the stand-in performers will yield much poorer results.

Be that as it may, what's the excuse to not do this final step to make it look that much better? This looks much better to me at an admittedly quick glance on a youtube video.
 
I thought the sequel series was a C+ at best but I will agree TLJ was best of the lot and much better than the prequels.

There are irreconcilable differences regarding where people think the franchise should go, especially with Luke and Rey’s ancestry. I loved the theme of “The Jedi don’t own the force, the Skywalker bloodline does not own the force, everyone does”. I loved that Rey had no special ancestry and hated they reversed that in the next film. And the broom kid made it seem like there were dozens of force users out there who would form a totally new organization separate from the Jedi. And I thought Luke’s direction tracked logically from his failure to protect the children.

But if you wanted Star Wars to be the story of Skywalker and for Luke to be unquestionably heroic, you’re gonna hate it for all the reasons I liked it.
 
We definitely won’t be seeing Finn ever again. Lol. Mostly likely Poe will never be shown again. You’re favorite trio will never ever gain the significance of the originals because they just repeated their story. They weren’t first. Sorry but the sequels are done and no one cares to explore that era of Star Wars again.

I welcome differing opinions, but you're way, way too stupid to bother with. Ta!
 
The standard for a sequel being good isn’t exceeding the original, it’s expanding on what the original built in a way that makes the world as a while even better.
 
The Godfather Part II being a good example. It didn't attempt to replicate the first film but in the process gave us such a fantastic development and evolution of the story that it's gone down in many opinions as just as good as the original.
 
My opinion of Disney Star Wars (because this is all this is despite how highly some think of theirs):
  • Rebels started out pretty weak but turned out to be a lot of fun and added some good Star Wars stories and lore
  • TFA was a fun return to the GFFA with our heroes and introduced some great characters even if it was very much a retread on ANH
  • Rogue One is a depressing overrated mess of a film with more fan service designed to fill a plot hole we lived with for decades although it does have the best battles since ROTJ
  • TLJ is imperfect but probably the most engaging of the Disney entries -- it challenges preconceptions and goes in new directions
  • Solo is a lot of fun but like Rogue One is a little too interested in showing origins and fan services but it does well in telling an engaging story
  • Resistance is fairly forgettable but utterly harmless
  • TRoS is a hot mess of a movie that moves too quickly -- admittedly it does play a little better the more you watch it
  • The Mandalorian is fun and the second season does a great job of doing something interesting (despite lots of fan service) while the first starts off interesting but ends up not going anywhere really
  • The Clone Wars Season Seven is a good conclusion to the series but could have a better choice of stories chosen -- Siege of Mandalore is brilliant
 
Solo's kind of an odd one with me. I wasn't impressed with it when I saw it in theatres, but on subsequent re-watches on home media, it has grown on me, and indeed I downright enjoyed it the last time I watched it.

As it stands, I rate the new movies thusly:
Rogue One
The Last Jedi
The Force Awakens
Solo
Rise of Skywalker

Rise of Skywalker really doesn't click with me at all, even on subsequent re-watches.

On the TV side of things, Rebels was downright amazing, Resistance was largely forgettable. The final Clone Wars season was great, and The Mandalorian is mostly enjoyable but falls short of being perfect.
 
Alright, I'll bite.

The Last Jedi
The Force Awakens
Solo
The Rise of Skywalker
Rebels
Rogue One
Mandalorian
Clone Wars Season 7.

I know I’m in the vast minority, but I really liked Solo. It had its problems but I never thought it was as bad as many felt it was. Oh well... :shrug:
Solo is a blast and doesn't deserve the hate.
 
I loved Rogue One. Krennic is may favorite Star Wars bad guy. Not too happy with Solo though. Not terrible, but didn't find that Ehrenreich was like Solo at all. He could not pull off the sheepish grin that Ford gave Solo. My favorite part was when he said he rounded down the time it took for the Corellian Run. That is totally Solo.
 
For me, Solo is just too darn boring to hate. It's just...there. (barely.)
The first part of it was kind of boring but after that I thoroughly enjoyed it. Dryden Voss is one of my favorite Star Wars villains introduced of late. It's just a fun heist movie in Star Wars.

I respect other people's opinions but this one...:shrug:
 
The first part of it was kind of boring but after that I thoroughly enjoyed it. Dryden Voss is one of my favorite Star Wars villains introduced of late. It's just a fun heist movie in Star Wars.

I respect other people's opinions but this one...:shrug:

Had the opposite reaction! It's passably okay for an hour or so. but once they land with the coaxium, the movie totally grinds to a halt and never recovers.
 
Unsurprisingly, someone has already deepfaked the Luke scene. Honestly, it looks like a one step forward, two steps back kind of fix. The eyes look a lot more alive, but the flat lighting on the face makes the whole thing look detached from the body, and the matte line around the hair need a LOT more work.
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Like with the 'Rogue One' Takin and Leia scenes, it's also worth remembering that the deepfakes only look as good as they do because ILM already did all the heavy lifting by replicating the facial geometry. Trying to do that on the raw footage of the stand-in performers will yield much poorer results.
I suspect Luke’s appearance drew a lot more on deepfake-style techniques and technologies than most of the digital human work we’ve seen in film in recent years. I’ll be surprised if, when the BTS stuff comes out in a little while, there’s a breakdown where we see digi-Luke had a fully rigged head with bones and muscles and simulated blood flow and all the trimmings with detailed motion-tracking from the stand-in combined with hand-animation to get all the nuances of how Hamill moved his face (on Rogue One, for instance, they noticed that Guy Henry formed certain phonemes with his mouth in a different way than Peter Cushing did, so those lip syncs had to be hand-animated). My guess would be there was a fairly rough animated Luke-head put on top of Max Lloyd-Jones’ face, that was sweetened up with machine-learning stuff. One of the drawbacks of deep fakes is that it’s essentially a black box, and getting the best results is a lot of trial and error and luck with the source footage you train the computer on. And ILM has access to a lot more photos and footage of Mark Hamill as RotJ-era Luke than any fan does, so their results will always come out differently even if they used the same basic tool.
 
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