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Spoilers The Mandalorian | Disney+ | Streaming Nov. 12

I see a bunch of complaints that this episode had too much fan service. But the whole show thus far has been fan service and this episode continued the trend.

Like last week, I can’t figure out if this show is actually good or all of the nostalgia and baby Yoda is making it seem better than it actually is. It definitely doesn’t feature deep storytelling.
 
I thought the episode was a lot of fun. Most of the fan service was all in the first 10 minutes or so and didn't detract from the meat of the story. I loved the tease at the end and I hope the Rev's prediction comes true. It would be classic Filoni.
 
I don't know, bounty hunters seem to be mostly loners. Don't want to share the bounty if they don't have to.
Did you miss the part where like 50 of them showed up at once?
Anyway, if as was suggested Karga had a tracker on that ship why wait *weeks* to do anything about it and why give the location (and by extension the reward) to that kubaz? Karga isn't that stupid.
 
I have a bit of a pet peeve: that is the overuse of the word "iconic." There's this growing tendency to use it interchangeably with "familiar" or "recognizable." The problem is the semantic difference matters, even in the abstract. It's like how in the mid-naughts everything became "epic." But if everything is epic how can anything really be? The same goes for "iconic."

And I've seen this trend to be especially true within the Star Wars fandom. So much of the general franchise proprietary and paraphernalia has been deemed "iconic" that its significance and/or importance has been blown out of proportion.

Take Boba Fett himself, for example. Here's a guy who - thanks to a toy - became really popular with young fans despite only having a few moments of screen time. And his notoriety and popularity only grew over the years. And then he got a dad and a culture from which he came, spread across several different forms of media. His familiarity with the fandom only grew. But did he ever become "iconic"? No. It may seem like a foreign concept to us crazy fuckers who know what a Taung is and can identify the Mythosaur by name, but to the greater populous - even when only including those who've seen anything Star Wars the T-Visor is an unfamiliar image. And Boba Fett isn't much more than a name and a face. And even the latter is a bit fragile as how many people could actually identify TemMorr on sight? But the Mando has neither of those things. He's just a voice wearing a familiar suit of armor.

Star Wars has a lot of voices. 3PO, Darth Vader, Chewie (in his own way). And these voices are all paired with a name and a figure, both of which have become very familiar. But are they 'iconic?' Eh. Vader (at least his helmet) has the best case. But what about what's underneath? Messrs Daniels, Mayhew, Prowse and Jones. (And for the sake of where I'm going with this, you can throw Kenny B. in there too.) Once again, beyond us crazy fuckers, how many people who've seen Star Wars could identify them on sight? To most people, they're nameless and faceless. But they're all as integral to the story and their characters as Hamill, Fisher, and Ford. You know, the ones under the lights - or in the limelight.

**Now the one obvious exception here is JEJ. But I would argue that he didn't become as familiar or recognizable from his face/person until Field of Dreams, which was half a decade after the fact.

Oops. I forgot one. The little green dude. Yet again, a really familiar voice, familiar image, and a name. Is he iconic? Umm.. Maybe? But we're getting ahead ourselves. Instead, let's talk about Frank Oz. I wasn't quite alive at the time - but I have to think he was fairly well known by the time. From what I've always understood, Fozzie was one of the most popular of the group and by the time of Empire, the show had been on several years and the first two films had already come out. So I have to figure that he was more well-known (at the time) than any of the others I mentioned. But here's the thing, he had that small cameo in Trading Places a couple of years later. Did very many people recognize him before he started talking? Because that's the thing about Oz; he has a very distinct timbre to his voice. And on top of that, Yoda has a very distinct way of speaking. But so is his appearance

Back to the previous characters I mentioned. In the real world, they're all recognizable with diminishing results the further away you get to the core audience. (As are the actors who play them.) But in-universe, Chewie and 3P0 aren't distinguishable in any way. Protocol droids all kind of look the same. Sure some are gold plated and some are chrome. But the design is all pretty much the same. And a lot of them sound like Tony Daniels too. And while Wookies to have differences in their appearance, I think it would be hard to [in-universe] go to Kashyyyk and pick out Chewie if he wasn't sporting his baldric and bowcaster. And I have no idea how different their growls are supposed to sound in-universe. Each is recognizable with diminishing results the further you get outside the core ‘family.’

The point is, in-universe they completely blend into the crowd, such that they too are faceless. And of course, T-Visors, despite having their own accouterment, are all homogeneous. The Mandalorians’ faces are all the same. And each person is recognized with diminishing results the further you get away from their immediate clan members. To the point that, when Mando gets out into the greater galaxy doing his thing, he’s just a voice. He has no face. He has no name.

Yoda is the Star Wars voice. And I think his image is the most “iconic” out of anything else in the franchise. That is, I believe that if you were to go out of the greater parts of the world and show people a lightsaber, Vader’s helmet, and a Yoda doll, it’s the Yoda doll that would be the most recognized. Because I think that’s the adorable little green dude that resonates the most the further you get from the core audience. And I also think Yoda-speak resonates very well with “fair-weather” (For lack of a better term.) fans.

It’s to that end, that I truly think Yoda is the “face of the franchise.” He is the most universally beloved character, both inside and outside the immediate fandom. And he is the leader of the heroes - those who stand in the light. (Or in the limelight as it were.)

You know who also loved the limelight? Apollo Creed. Probably the most Star Warsy non-Star Wars character contemporary to the OT.

And what does the show do in its opening minutes? Sits our taciturn hero in a face-off with the man whose arm makes-up 50% of one of the most popular internet memes and who once - like Ani and Luke before him - famously lost a hand. Action Jackson himself. That’s right Carl “No Playin’ no Jiven’, There is no Tomorrow, Eye of the Fucking Tiger” Weathers. And he’s every bit as flamboyant and loud as you’d expect him to be. And he has a name. And a face. And his voice invokes characteristics of great Star Wars characters before him. He exists in the limelight. Feeds off of it, even. But he’s not a hero. And despite his best efforts, the nameless faceless one barely says ten words to him.

In fact, for someone whose only distinct form of identification [#youdon’tneedtosee…] is his voice, Mando says very little. He purposely stays out of the limelight. “Under the beam”. And his job is very mundane and blue-collar in a Star Warsy kind of way. He doesn’t seek to be a hero or fame or anything of that sort.

And yet here we finally are: the little, little green dude. This tiny little being who embodies the ‘face’ of the franchise has a tiny, distorted face; and whose voice of the franchise has no voice; and who is the leader of heroes who is completely helpless and entire existence dependant on the nameless, faceless one.

Star Wars couldn’t exist without the Mayhews and the Bakers and the Daniels and all countless men and women you see in those production photos whose names you don’t know, whose voices you never hear, and who faces you can barely pick out from one and another. They don’t seek the limelight, but they’re are every bit the Star Wars heroes as Lucas, Hamill, Fisher, and Ford.

The Mandalorian isn’t about something? Bullshit.

As far as episode five, well the Mando meets the greener than green flamboyant (In an overly obnoxious) way wannabe and the team-up. Toro, as we eventually learn, wants to “become legendary.” He seeks the limelight.

They’re after an assassin whose MO is sniping. Snipers like to stay in the shadows. They don’t seek the limelight. She has them pinned down. They execute their plan that involves Mando tossing a flashbang grenade. The assassin is exposed to the light. She is forced to take off her helmet #nottheway and … Hey, it’s Ming-Na!* Anyway, the moment she is forced to remove her helmet the battle is over. Mando has won.

Then we get to the end. Toro seeks the light. Mando shines it on him. The battle is over.

*And despite MNW having become fairly recognizable - especially thanks to that show about Tahiti - it's worth noting that her most famous role remains one that involved only her voice.
 
Ben's house has absolutely nothing to do with Boba Fett. There's no connection, why are you making that leap?
Sorry to go back to this, but just in case you didn't follow the link in the post you responded to, I'll explain. In one of the early issues of Marvel's core Star Wars series, Luke is ambushed by Boba Fett while he is back checking out Ben's hut between A New Hope and The Strikes Back. Thank to Disney's everything is equal policy, this means it is canon that Boba Fett is aware of Ben Kenobi's now abandoned hut.
As for the episode, I enjoyed it. Not as much as the rest of the episodes so far, but it was still good.
I'm a big Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D fan, so I got a kick out of seeing Ming Na Wen, I just wish we had gotten a bit more with her.
The mechanic with the Pit Droids was pretty fun.
I got a big kick out of revisiting Tattooine, Mos Eisley, and the cantina.
As for the end, I saw a theory on recap yesterday that it was Giancarlo Esposito's Moff Gideon who showed up at the end, and that seems a lot more likely to me than Boba Fett.
 
Sorry to go back to this, but just in case you didn't follow the link in the post you responded to, I'll explain. In one of the early issues of Marvel's core Star Wars series, Luke is ambushed by Boba Fett while he is back checking out Ben's hut between A New Hope and The Strikes Back. Thank to Disney's everything is equal policy, this means it is canon that Boba Fett is aware of Ben Kenobi's now abandoned hut.

It doesn't matter if it's "official" or not, it's such an absurd deep dive into an obscure reference that it would be laughable to try to generate any story or meaningful connection from it. Who cares what a comic said? Seriously.

I know what Lucasfilm's official "policy" is regarded new canon, but even still, not all canon is created equal.

As for the end, I saw a theory on recap yesterday that it was Giancarlo Esposito's Moff Gideon who showed up at the end, and that seems a lot more likely to me than Boba Fett.

I pray that this is true.
 
So the cantina that refused to serve droids... is now run by a droid. Poetic justice, or something. :cool:

Kor
 
As for the end, I saw a theory on recap yesterday that it was Giancarlo Esposito's Moff Gideon who showed up at the end, and that seems a lot more likely to me than Boba Fett.
Yeah him and Karga were my initial assumptions too, but watching it back the scene featured not one but TWO sound elements associated with Boba. That's not an accident, it's deliberate. So whether or not that's actually Boba remains to be seen, the fact remains that there's a deliberate and calculated effort (by Filloni no less) to at least allude to the possibility that it's him.
 
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Another fun episode, can't believe they actually went to Tatooine, this one was chock full of familiar things. Noticed immediately that there was no droid detector at the cantina, and then there were droid bartenders! Loved even more that Toro Calican had his feet propped up on the table.

Upon watching the ending, my immediate impression was that this was who Fennec Shand was going to meet at Mos Espa, and I suspect that makes it a bit more likely that it was Giancarlo Esposito. Glad we won't have to wait a year to find out.

Horatio Sanz, Brian Posehn, Amy Sedaris, someone at casting must have a bit of a funny bone.
Don't forget Taika!
(What We Do In The Shadows and Hunt for the Wilderpeople are both outstanding examples of movies this century. If anyone here hasn't seen both of them, rectify that situation. Almost forgot, I just saw Jojo Rabbit in the theater a few weeks ago too. Another winner.)
 
It doesn't matter if it's "official" or not, it's such an absurd deep dive into an obscure reference that it would be laughable to try to generate any story or meaningful connection from it. Who cares what a comic said? Seriously.
I don't see were it's that laughable, for the people who haven't read the comic, it would just be a fun little coincidence that he happened to pick Ben's hut to hide out in, and for the people who read the comics it's a fun little callback.
I know what Lucasfilm's official "policy" is regarded new canon, but even still, not all canon is created equal.
Obviously, the movies and TV shows will always take priority, but as long as there aren't any issues, I don't see why treating the books and comics as an equally legitimate part of the franchise is a problem.

Yeah him and Karga were my initial assumptions too, but watching it back the scene featured not one but TWO sound elements associated with Boba. That's not an accident, it's deliberate. So whether or not that's actually Boba remains to be seen, the fact remains that there's a deliberate and calculated effort (by Filloni no less) to at least allude to the possibility that it's him.
Those could be a clue, but some people seem to completely convinced it's him, and I just don't see it as being that definite based off of what little evidence we have.
 
I don't see were it's that laughable, for the people who haven't read the comic, it would just be a fun little coincidence that he happened to pick Ben's hut to hide out in, and for the people who read the comics it's a fun little callback.
Exactly.
 
It doesn't matter if it's "official" or not, it's such an absurd deep dive into an obscure reference that it would be laughable to try to generate any story or meaningful connection from it. Who cares what a comic said? Seriously.

I know what Lucasfilm's official "policy" is regarded new canon, but even still, not all canon is created equal.
How is it an issue to reference a part of the lore? If people know about it, great. If not, oh well.

And lots of people care about the comics and enjoy their stories. Dr. Aphra and Darth Vader have become some of the more popular comic characters in the new comics. Just because it isn't important to all fans doesn't make it laughable. In fact, calling it laughable is rather insulting to those who do enjoy it.
 
Those could be a clue, but some people seem to completely convinced it's him, and I just don't see it as being that definite based off of what little evidence we have.
And I'm not saying that it is him for sure (I've already stated I'm not especially enamoured with the idea) but I am saying that the *intent* of that scene is definite.
This is Dave Filloni. The man knows exactly what buttons to push to stir up the fans. Whether it's a tease, misdirect or if it really is Boba.

Honestly, I'm leaning towards it being him. Not because I want it to be (I kinda don't) but because the evidence is compelling and it's totally Dave's style.
 
Out of curiosity, how old would Boba Fett be at this point in the timeline? Am I right in thinking he's roughly close to Temuera Morrison's current age? (55-60)
 
I didn't realize the sound effect you mentioned were connected to Boba Fett, so I had originally thought people were just jumping to massive conclusion with very little evidence.
It does sound like there's a better chance than I thought, but I still question if it's him.
If it actually is him, I will be amazed that they actually managed to keep it quite. It's the kind of thing I would expect them to promote the hell out of, or at least drop some pretty blatant hints, to get people to watch.
 
Out of curiosity, how old would Boba Fett be at this point in the timeline? Am I right in thinking he's roughly close to Temuera Morrison's current age? (55-60)
Boba was around 10 years old in Episode II (he was created the same time as the original batch of clones) so he would be about 41ish by the time of The Mandalorian.
 
Boba was around 10 years old in Episode II (he was created the same time as the original batch of clones) so he would be about 41ish by the time of The Mandalorian.
Ah yeah, I think I was accidentally calculating all the way up to the sequel trilogy. Still, Boba's probably lived pretty rough. If he really does show up, it could definitely work. Or if he's to keep his helmet on, maybe Dee Bradley Baker could do the honors for some animated synchronicity.
 
I actually liked this episode better than Ep. 4. My only complaint was that the HTH combat sequence seemed badly choreographed and executed. Ming-Na-Wen has had way better sequences fight in AoS over the years, but maybe it's due to her partner in the sequence.

I also get sick of the 'too much fan service' argument as I don't mind at all them tying it back to elements of previous STAR WARS outings that I enjoyed. This is ENTERTAINMENT - and as long as I find it entertaining (which I do), that's all I care about.
 
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