I think there are some very good moments in it. I think there are some very craptastic moments in it. For me, its better than the prequels. And Rogue One. And the Holiday Special.
Okay, maybe not the Holiday Special.
The Last Jedi - Actually Widely Hated?
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I think there are some very good moments in it. I think there are some very craptastic moments in it. For me, its better than the prequels. And Rogue One. And the Holiday Special.
Okay, maybe not the Holiday Special.
That would be it, yes.
It's neither better nor worse than anything that came after Empire.
If I was going to rank all the post-Empire movies, I'd have R1 and TFA at the top and Clones and Solo at the bottom. But I don't think the disparity between them is as great as most people claim it is.
People, at this point it is clear that we are being made fun of. This person and his "forced diversity" isn't being serious. It has been explained very clearly why this phrase makes no sense, particularly in the context of the Star Wars movies, and yet these explanations are ignored, until the next great opportunity to bust that phrase out and derail another thread. Something must be done.
Agreed. No one is going to change his mind because either a) He's totally sincere, and thus his views are too ingrained to be changed, or b) He's a troll just enjoying the chaos. The only sensible course of action in either case is just let his posts go by. Or, there is a board mechanism which helps with that kind of thing. Then maybe every thread won't be a rehash of the same people arguing the same arguments with the same guy.
I am a personal believer in allowing people the opportunity to speak out for themselves, and make their viewpoint known.
However, I must agree that at this point it is a fruitless endeavor, with no true communication actually happening.
More's the pity
However, I must agree that at this point it is a fruitless endeavor, with no true communication actually happening.
More's the pity
You know, there was a moment in Rogue One I want to point. Overall, the film made me giddy with all the Star Warsy stuff about it, I remember being on the playground at like 6 years old imagining huge battles in SW.. and Rogue one had that feeling. SW was able to be a war story for the spectacle and for the heroics and the villainy while still being detatched from the real world context and the heedy consequences of it. The moment I speak of is a quick shot of these new TIES flying information over the tower in Scarif.. they were new TIES that had a different shape. I know as an adult.. it's kind of silly to geek out over how cool spaceships that shoot lasers look on screen. That's what I like about SW. So I kind of wish the conversations were about that then about the diversity. Yet as that Marvel thread has shown.. people LOVE the marvel stuff but they want it to become political .. they want to put the political stuff first .. Marvel HAS to cast a diversity actor.. (I have no objection to them doing that).. but what I'm saying is.. all Marvel and all Lucasfilm HAVE to do is make entertainment. Lucas didn't HAVE to make Lando black, but he did and it was great. He could have made . It was all about escapism.. but all this talk brings the real world into the films more than the films provide an escape
The beauty of Star Wars is that there is enough space to geek out over the tech, just enjoy the escape or look at is at an allegory. No one is forcing you to look at diversity. You are choosing to focus on this. You can start your own thread about the Ships of Star Wars. If you don't like the forum here, there is Reddit, TheForce.Net, TheCantina, Facebook groups galore, YouTube comment threads. Lots of places to talk Star Wars. I'm not trying to kick you out, because as much as I disagree with you, I think sometimes its good to have a dissenting opinion. BUT, if you're not happy with the conversation here, there are other options. Sometimes we end up in a prison by our own choosing.
I am an unapologetic Creed fan. Seen them in concert and everything.CREED?!? Really?
So, tough :P
Creed was one of those things that I only found out via the Internet that I was supposed to hate.Fair enough, my friend. Fair enough.
Like Star Wars
Creed was one of those things that I only found out via the Internet that I was supposed to hate.
Like Star Wars
Ive never been a huge Creed fan. The overreaction was a joke. But hey, we all have the things we love. No real judgment here.
Oh, I know
The opening to ROTJ does feel like a very long prologue that is disconnected from the rest of the movie. I enjoy it, but there's definitely some opportunities for trimming there.
It just feels like, “Aw crap! Harrison signed on after all! Now we need to figure a way to get him out of this mess we put him in. We were just gonna kill him off off camera and be done! So let’s spend 45 minutes fixing this mess!”
Quite right. I was recently revisiting ROTJ and it struck me how going from the sail barge blowing up, to Dagobah then to the Rebel Fleet and the Emperor's arrival is very strange. The flow of the film has a bit of a stutter step towards the middle.
More of interest to me is how interesting it is to see the controversy that TLJ experiences being shown through in ROTJ. Despite ROTJ (and ESB's) acceptance now, it certainly wasn't always so. ROTJ was very divisive, especially with the Ewoks, and the wide variety of muppets utilized. It was considered child-focused film, and a bit out of step with the prior installment.
What's more interesting to me is that this tribalism we consider so hostile has been around since that last film, and the series after. It is only through the tinge of nostalgic lenses and passage of time that we regard it so well. And, the same will eventually be true of the ST.
i think the prologue of ROTJ is all about friendships and, after a big a big defeat, these friends forging ahead with a renewed spirit to fight.
Of course everyone would hear would RATHER have
We cannot outrun the First Order fleets.
We can jump to light speed
Well they can track us through
lightspeed.
- They can track us through lightspeed?
- Yeah.
They'll just show up 30 seconds later
and we'll have blown a ton of fuel.
Of which, by the way, we're
dangerously short of.
- They can track us through lightspeed.
- Yes.
And they could...
I can't feel my teeth.
What did you shoot me with?
Active tracking...
What now?
New hyperspace tracking...
Hyperspace tracking is a new tactic
but the principal must be the same
as any active tracker.
- So they're just tracking us...
- Tracking us...
- from the main ship.
- from the main ship.
But we can't get to the tracker.
It is an A class process they'll
controll from the main bridge.
Yes, but all Class A process...
- Has a dedicated power breaker
- Power breaker.
But...
Who knows where the breaker
room is on the Star Destroyer?
I'm the guy who used to mop it.
If I can get us there
I can shut their tracker down.
Of course everyone would hear would RATHER have
We cannot outrun the First Order fleets.
We can jump to light speed
Well they can track us through
lightspeed.
- They can track us through lightspeed?
- Yeah.
They'll just show up 30 seconds later
and we'll have blown a ton of fuel.
Of which, by the way, we're
dangerously short of.
- They can track us through lightspeed.
- Yes.
And they could...
I can't feel my teeth.
What did you shoot me with?
Active tracking...
What now?
New hyperspace tracking...
Hyperspace tracking is a new tactic
but the principal must be the same
as any active tracker.
- So they're just tracking us...
- Tracking us...
- from the main ship.
- from the main ship.
But we can't get to the tracker.
It is an A class process they'll
controll from the main bridge.
Yes, but all Class A process...
- Has a dedicated power breaker
- Power breaker.
But...
Who knows where the breaker
room is on the Star Destroyer?
I'm the guy who used to mop it.
If I can get us there
I can shut their tracker down.
I don't know what you are saying. Has your brain finally broken due to overwhelming diversity or something?