It's dialogue from the brilliant masterpiece known as Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi. I believe he is quoting it to mock how poorly written it is.
The Last Jedi - Actually Widely Hated?
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I know what he was doing, but I don't think he achieved his goal with this random quote.
That's not how the Force works.
It's not a black or white. I can enjoy both. But, the flow of ROTJ is noticeable to me.
However, and I know this is strange, I am entertained by both ROTJ and TLJ. That's all I want from a movie-to be entertained. I don't get this obsessive need to tear it down at every turn.
There are good elements in Return of the Jedi, I just don't think it is a very good movie overall. Same with Revenge of the Sith.
Not only that, but someone can enjoy one part of a movie and not like another part.
I think that Rogue One is overrated. I think it has a lot of overblown fan service. And, I think that it doesn't really fall into the spirit of what makes Star Wars fun. Its dark. Its depressing. I have a hell of a time relating to any of the main characters. At the same time, I believe that it has the best battle scenes since Return of the Jedi and that its the closest a Star Wars film will actually feel to getting to a real war. I applaud it for those things. But the good does not outdo the bad in my opinion.
I think that Rogue One is overrated. I think it has a lot of overblown fan service. And, I think that it doesn't really fall into the spirit of what makes Star Wars fun. Its dark. Its depressing. I have a hell of a time relating to any of the main characters. At the same time, I believe that it has the best battle scenes since Return of the Jedi and that its the closest a Star Wars film will actually feel to getting to a real war. I applaud it for those things. But the good does not outdo the bad in my opinion.
Agreed, though I think ROTJ has far more good elements than ROTS. But, I'll admit my bias that I find ROTS a very difficult movie to get through, it's pacing is weird, and feels like too much movie crammed in to the run time.
ROTJ just has an episodic feel, and then rushes in the middle. The pacing is something I've noticed more of late.
Same here. Many love Rogue One. I love the space battles, the use of old footage, and the spaceship designs. I loathe the fan service of Vader and do not connect with the characters. So, it's easy to pass on for me.
I am sorry to do this but I wanted to be fair in another thread and that I know that the originals are not flawless. So I'll just copy what I wrote about ROTJ here since this thread specifically brings up the pacing issues of it:
for years I was on the "hate ROTJ train" and guess what, none of my criticisms I had during that time went away.
they are still there. and they are a little different than the normal criticisms like "teddy bears beat the empire"
My main criticism was that it was a film made entirely of "arrivals" so much of the screen-time is people arriving at places.
It begins with the shuttle arriving at the Death star, .. and then it shows Vader disembarking in a rather slowly paced scene. .. then it has the droids arriving at the palace in a scene just as slow paced, followed by every other character arriving separately (by the way .. on a side note.. people point out Luke's flawed plan for the rescue.. I actually don't think he had a plan.. because he didn't know how the crime lord and his men were organized.. so his plan was to just simply to get each of his men inside, and once inside, they'd improvise a rescue) .. fortunately after that opening act there is not a Luke arrives on Dagobah scene, but we DO have a scene where people arrive at the rebel base, followed by the strike team arriving in orbit of Endor, following them arriving on the planet, followed by them arriving at the bunker, followed by them arriving at the village, followed by Luke arriving at the shuttle pad followed by him and Vader arriving on the death star.. whereas the previous film everyone was in motion and the pace seemed a bit quicker.
I also think that something could have happened in Act 2 to increase the stakes (to that point the heroes feel like they are in a completely different film form the villains). I always thought that a wing of TIES should have came in and broken up the assembled fleet and damaging a few ships. And the Endor strike team would be cut off from Ackbar and the others and they'd have to discuss the gamble of going through with the plan not knowing if Ackbar and the rest of the fleet were even still around. Just a bit of suspense there.
But I love the film.. because it kept true to the others, and had the best scenes and character work (not to mention the best space and ground battles) of the others. It is not flawless, but they still pushed the envelope..
for years I was on the "hate ROTJ train" and guess what, none of my criticisms I had during that time went away.
they are still there. and they are a little different than the normal criticisms like "teddy bears beat the empire"
My main criticism was that it was a film made entirely of "arrivals" so much of the screen-time is people arriving at places.
It begins with the shuttle arriving at the Death star, .. and then it shows Vader disembarking in a rather slowly paced scene. .. then it has the droids arriving at the palace in a scene just as slow paced, followed by every other character arriving separately (by the way .. on a side note.. people point out Luke's flawed plan for the rescue.. I actually don't think he had a plan.. because he didn't know how the crime lord and his men were organized.. so his plan was to just simply to get each of his men inside, and once inside, they'd improvise a rescue) .. fortunately after that opening act there is not a Luke arrives on Dagobah scene, but we DO have a scene where people arrive at the rebel base, followed by the strike team arriving in orbit of Endor, following them arriving on the planet, followed by them arriving at the bunker, followed by them arriving at the village, followed by Luke arriving at the shuttle pad followed by him and Vader arriving on the death star.. whereas the previous film everyone was in motion and the pace seemed a bit quicker.
I also think that something could have happened in Act 2 to increase the stakes (to that point the heroes feel like they are in a completely different film form the villains). I always thought that a wing of TIES should have came in and broken up the assembled fleet and damaging a few ships. And the Endor strike team would be cut off from Ackbar and the others and they'd have to discuss the gamble of going through with the plan not knowing if Ackbar and the rest of the fleet were even still around. Just a bit of suspense there.
But I love the film.. because it kept true to the others, and had the best scenes and character work (not to mention the best space and ground battles) of the others. It is not flawless, but they still pushed the envelope..
I'm sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine. There are no Muppets in any of the Star Wars movies, Muppet refers to a very specific type of puppet, and there are none of those type in Return of the Jedi or any of the other Star Wars movies.
So I think at this point, it seems that people agree that TLJ has become a tonal outlier, between two JJ movies. As much as I loved TLJ, in retrospect I'd rather have had three JJ movies, so that the trilogy would flow smoother.
Hopefully lessons are being learned by Disney and we'll have smoother sailing going forward. (Perhaps by eliminating the need for trilogies?)
Hopefully lessons are being learned by Disney and we'll have smoother sailing going forward. (Perhaps by eliminating the need for trilogies?)
As soon as there's a large number of fans saying that they hate it.
I would too but mostly because that's the nature of sequels in Hollywood.
As for Solo, Disney already owned that so no need to belabor that dead horse.
No need. The reviews make it clear that a large number of people will hate it. With TLJ I was shocked to find people hated it because I loved it and the reviews were stellar. Thus the thread.
It's the nature of sequels of diminishing or plateaued quality. There are plenty of sequels that do much better than the previous film. And ongoing franchises where each film continues to do better that the previous.
That said, I agree that they were never gonna reach the heights of TFA again no matter how good the next one was. That was the big return to Star Wars that some (foolishly) believed would never come back to cinemas after Episode III. It was an exciting event, more than just another sequel. All downhill from there.
To be fair, I don’t think we have universal opinions one way or another on TRoS. The first US general public screenings started 40 minutes ago. I know I haven’t seen it. And despite the fact I typically side with the critics, I’m trying to be optimistic. Also , despite the current world of love/hate, with us/against us, black/white, there are shades of gray. I’m just saying let’s wait and see until we give sweeping declarations, even if it is en vogue to do so.