The Last Jedi - Actually Widely Hated?

[fireproof78]

To be fair, I don’t think we have universal opinions one way or another on TRoS. The first US general public screenings started 40 minutes ago. I know I haven’t seen it. And despite the fact I typically side with the critics, I’m trying to be optimistic. Also , despite the current world of love/hate, with us/against us, black/white, there are shades of gray. I’m just saying let’s wait and see until we give sweeping declarations, even if it is en vogue to do so.

It would be nice if we could dump the all or nothing language and rhetoric. Some are going to love it, others are going to hate, and there is going to be little in the way of consensus or agreement in this discussion.

At this point, two years post TLJ, the fact that individuals still feel the need to rant about the film tells me that consensus is nearly impossible. That the discussion would rather be swept along by the emotional tide that actually try to engage in meaningful exchange of ideas and relationship.

 

[JD]

To be fair, I don’t think we have universal opinions one way or another on TRoS. The first US general public screenings started 40 minutes ago. I know I haven’t seen it. And despite the fact I typically side with the critics, I’m trying to be optimistic. Also , despite the current world of love/hate, with us/against us, black/white, there are shades of gray. I’m just saying let’s wait and see until we give sweeping declarations, even if it is en vogue to do so.

To be honest I've never really seen the Star Wars as critics movies, so I'm not freaking out over the critical response. I won't deny that I'm a little more concerned about the quality than I was before, but I'm not about to write the movie off just based on the reviews. There are lot of movies I've seen that got a lot worse reviews, that I've absolutely loved.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

The general insistence on trying to be clever.. that is the unforgivable flaw of the film

 

[Spot261]

So The Rise of Skywalker is out and still the griping?

 

[Campe]

So The Rise of Skywalker is out and still the griping?

Interesting since I thought I’d heard The Last Jedi was going to make The Rise of Skywalker do terrible Solo-level numbers. It’s tracking to do $194 million this weekend domestically which is over 200% of Solo’s opening domestic take of $84.4 mil.

Ignoring the quality of TRoS (which is completely debatable and is being done in another thread), I’d suggest Solo’s performance is exactly what many of us have suggested: an outlier.

 

[fireproof78]

So The Rise of Skywalker is out and still the griping?

Nothing if not consistent.

 

[jaime]

Interesting since I thought I’d heard The Last Jedi was going to make The Rise of Skywalker do terrible Solo-level numbers. It’s tracking to do $194 million this weekend domestically which is over 200% of Solo’s opening domestic take of $84.4 mil.

Ignoring the quality of TRoS (which is completely debatable and is being done in another thread), I’d suggest Solo’s performance is exactly what many of us have suggested: an outlier.

Even if it was Bantha Poodoo, people are still gonna turn out for ‘the end of the saga’.

People still watched GoT finale, and that season was already getting hate.

 

[crookeddy]

Interesting since I thought I’d heard The Last Jedi was going to make The Rise of Skywalker do terrible Solo-level numbers. It’s tracking to do $194 million this weekend domestically which is over 200% of Solo’s opening domestic take of $84.4 mil.

Ignoring the quality of TRoS (which is completely debatable and is being done in another thread), I’d suggest Solo’s performance is exactly what many of us have suggested: an outlier.

Perhaps Disney jumped the gun canceling all of their non mainline movies? Perhaps had they given Solo a Christmas release it also would have done well?

Perhaps the Avatar sequels won't actually do as well as Star Wars movies on Christmas (hint: they won't).

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Interesting since I thought I’d heard The Last Jedi was going to make The Rise of Skywalker do terrible Solo-level numbers. It’s tracking to do $194 million this weekend domestically which is over 200% of Solo’s opening domestic take of $84.4 mil.

Ignoring the quality of TRoS (which is completely debatable and is being done in another thread), I’d suggest Solo’s performance is exactly what many of us have suggested: an outlier.

always felt it would have a strong opening (still the weakest of the trilogy) because of just how much Disney pushed the film and the time of year. It all depends on the word of mouth. Some people really like the film.. some really hate it. I personally thought it had a sense of adventure the last film lacked, but it was way too dense.

 

[Crazyewok]

What is making the new film do well is it fixed the mess Rian did.


Rise of Skywalker takes a shit on Rians work, and many of us love it for that.

You could cut TLJ out completely and just have force awakens and rise of Skywalker and it would work. That's how little TLJ added to the franchise.

 

[CorporalClegg]

It does no such thing.

 

[Crazyewok]

It does no such thing.

Apart from luke becoming one with the force. NOTHING that happend in the last jedi really effected the new film.

Rey was given a proper linage to explain her raw power.

Snoke was just a flesh puppet for palpy anyway so his death meant nothing.

Rose tico is reduced to just a back ground character, thankfully.

All the last jedi was is a irrelevant detour that added very little.

You had a slow speed chase that pretty much led nowhere and accomplished nothing except reduce a small resistance to something a bit smaller.
A story about a depressed loser on a island.
And a preachy escapade in a casino that led nowhere.

That's it.

Everything of note that happend either happend in the force awakens or rise of Skywalker.

The film is a irrelevant nothing.

 

[BillJ]

What is making the new film do well is it fixed the mess Rian did.

I didn't see anything in Rise... that walked back anything he did in The Last Jedi.

 

[Crazyewok]

I didn't see anything in Rise... that walked back anything he did in The Last Jedi.

That's because aside from Luke becoming one with the force nothing of relevance happened in the last jedi.
Hard to walk back when nothing happend.

All we had was a chase and a irrelevant side plot.

The last jedi could disappear from the Sega entirely and not much would be missed.

 

[BillJ]

Hard to walk back when nothing happend.

What is making the new film do well is it fixed the mess Rian did.

If nothing happened, then how did he make a mess that Rise... apparently fixed?

 

[Crazyewok]

If nothing happened, then how did he make a mess that Rise... apparently fixed?

That was the mess. Creating a dull boring film that achieved nothing accept damage the franchise. A film made for critics not fans.

Rise fixes that mess by returning starwars to what it should be. A Fun action audience pleaser made for fans not critic's.

 

[Skywalker]

I wasn't crazy about TLJ but a lot of things in TROS don't make sense without it.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I wasn't crazy about TLJ but a lot of things in TROS don't make sense without it.

Exactly.

Now I could elaborate in a long-winded, overwritten post about how the two films are probably the most connected of any two in the franchise, but no one would read it anyway.

The long and short of it is, most people don't really understand TLJ - even the ones who think they do.

 

[fireproof78]

That was the mess. Creating a dull boring film that achieved nothing accept damage the franchise. A film made for critics not fans.

Rise fixes that mess by returning starwars to what it should be. A Fun action audience pleaser made for fans not critic's.

If it can be ignored then no damage was done.

Never mind how much I enjoy TLJ.

 

[Tosk]

The long and short of it is, most people don't really understand TLJ - even the ones who think they do.

The implication being that you are one of the special people who "got it"?