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The Last Jedi - Actually Widely Hated?
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I find it refreshing to see the hero of this trilogy look different than a blonde haired blue eyed white male. I don’t want to raise my son in a world where he is so concerned with the how someone looks that he can’t see the goodness in the person. The moral of Star Wars ultimately is and always has been:
Anyone can be a hero.
Anyone can be a hero.
It would be fun if Rey wasn't human but a weird looking alien we cared about.
I agree with that post.
So do I. One of my biggest bugbears with this trilogy is lack of innovation. The OT and PT were both trailblazers in technology, and I've always regarded that as a given for a SW movie. These new ones are just generic blockbusters in comparison to me.
I mean he’s right. He’s being a dick about it. But he’s absolutely right.
Meaning, Trevorrow stood up to Kathleen Kennedy and was promptly handed his ass.
That’s pure supposition.
Pretty much agree here. He definitely could have been a bit nicer about it, but he does bring up some great points.
I think the problems come from the directors coming in and wanting to make their Star Wars movie, but then the Lucasfilm people want to them to make their Star Wars movie, and when the directors won't cooperate they have to go. I think a lot of these directors are probably just using to being able to just do whatever they want in their movies, but Lucasfilm is taking a more direct role in the production. So you get the people like JJ Abrams, and Rian Johnson, who are more willing to cooperate, and others like Phil Lord and Chris Miller, and Colin Trevorrow aren't.
I agree that there should have been more consideration to the mix of the directors with the corporate culture at LFL. I disagree that Kennedy is a terrible leader. I can think of 4.85 billion reasons why Disney would feel the same way. Josh Trank, Garett Edwards, Colin Trevorrow and Lord and Miller were promising filmmakers when they were approached. I understand why Disney would be interested in hiring them. The truth is: sometimes someone can look great on paper but if the personality doesn’t mesh, then it ain’t going to work.
People would have seen these movies because SW is back.. with sEQUELS.. years after the last film. Please don't give KK credit for that... it was the brand.. not her leadership that made the billions.
they didn't see TFA and propel it to 2B because omg Kathleen was in charge
But the movies we've gotten have turned out as good as they have because of her leadership.
I think it's worth noting that some of the most successful directors for these big franchises have been ones like JJ Abrams, and the Russo Bros. who started out on TV. TV directors are used to working this way, so it's not as big a shock for them when they aren't able to just come in and do whatever the hell they want.
Obviously, I'm not sitting in on the meeting or anything, so I don't know all of this for sure, but I think there's plenty of evidence from how things seem to be playing out.
She's really not, if I had to guess, I'd say most of it probably is probably on the directors' shoulders, not hers. I think the problem is that things like Star Wars and the MCU are being run more like a TV show, with the producers like Kennedy for Star Wars, and Kevin Feige having a much more direct hand in things that you usually see in movies. Directors are used to having more control than they do here, so I could see where some of them could get frustrated at how tightly they are being controlled.
I think it's worth noting that some of the most successful directors for these big franchises have been ones like JJ Abrams, and the Russo Bros. who started out on TV. TV directors are used to working this way, so it's not as big a shock for them when they aren't able to just come in and do whatever the hell they want.
Obviously, I'm not sitting in on the meeting or anything, so I don't know all of this for sure, but I think there's plenty of evidence from how things seem to be playing out.
There is a lot of truth to the idea that TV directors are doing well in this landscape. We want a big shared universe. That means that while Lord and Miller might have wanted to make a Lord and Miller movie but instead had to, at the end of the day, make a Star Wars movie.
(However, to be fair Lord and Miller did direct the pilot episodes of Brooklyn Nine Nine and The Last Man on Earth. But pilot episodes do involve a lot of freedom in tone setting from the directors.)
(However, to be fair Lord and Miller did direct the pilot episodes of Brooklyn Nine Nine and The Last Man on Earth. But pilot episodes do involve a lot of freedom in tone setting from the directors.)
Hiring Lord and Miller and then not liking how they did things the one thing that Lucasfilm under Kathleen Kennedy has done that kind of confused me. I would think they would have had to have know what their stuff was like when they hired them, so I don't understand why they hired them if they didn't want Solo done in their style. All I can think is either they promised something other than what they ended up doing, or there was some kind of miscommunication in the situation that lead to someone not knowing what was supposed to be happening until it was to late.
It may be Kennedy liked the idea of their style until seeing the reality of their style. And perhaps the performers weren't up to the improvisational style of Lord and Miller. Not all great actors are natural improvisors. So, when the results started coming in, it must not have been what Kennedy thought would be good for the movie.
I wished she had let them continue though--Solo was so meh for me. I would love to see Star Wars get more experimental and less "house style." But, then, some Star Wars fans don't want their franchise to step one inch outside of a certain box--as we have seen with certain posters in this thread.