It isn’t, Jar Jar being unfunny is a constant in our universe. The absolute zero of comedy. The Finn scene just wasn’t funny.
The Last Jedi - Actually Widely Hated?
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I think it is a small minority. They seem large in number because they're loud, much like Discovery's detractors. TLJ will divide opinion, but at least it tried to something unexpected after TFA.
something unexpected is not a virtue.
just like something expected isn't a virtue either.
Ask any figure skater.. it's all in execution
I happen to like the different nature of TLJ, though I see what you're saying. I also think it was a well-executed movie.
For me, it just moved in fits and spurts, there was no steady cadence or flow to the film. The humor was awkwardly placed. It felt like three subplots smashed together, at least two of which were there to pad out the run time. And the last planet with salt (?) felt like the start of a whole new film.
I remember sitting in the theater watching The Last Jedi for the first time. There were bits I liked and bits I didn't like. Jokes that were hilarious and jokes that didn't really work for me. I thought the Canto Bight stuff was interesting but didn't quite fit as well with everything else that was going on in the moment. Overall it was an enjoyable, entertaining but not overly remarkable film.
Then we made it to the big battle scene with the destruction of Snoke's ship (which was just breathtakingly beautiful to watch, btw) and I thought 'Well that's an interesting ending to an interesting, generally entertaining movie'. But then the movie kept going. And kept going. And every new part, for me, got even better and better.
Perhaps a bit roundabout way to say: I agree the last act of TLJ feels almost like a different movie after the 'grand finale' at Snoke's ship. But that fact is really a huge part of what I love about TLJ. It doesn't just stop at the obvious, 'easy' end point. It carries the story forward, it carries the characters forward and most significantly it carries the theme forward to an extent that worked pretty much perfectly, imo. (One exception that bothered me from the start: the ending of Finn and Rose's story - just kind of awkward and confusing)
If the movie had stopped at the fleet, I'd've said 'eh, about as good as TFA, though happily less nostalgia obsessed'. But it didn't stop there, it went on and it gave me the absolutely awesome confrontation between Luke and Kylo, it gave me the unbelievably gorgeous visuals of the ships flying over the salt flats, and it gave me the utterly perfect, pinpoint encapsulation of the movie's entire overarching them, hope, as Rey flew away aboard the Falcon with all the survivors and the future of the Jedi Order in her hands while, back on Canto Bight, a little future Jedi dreamed of a better world. Johnson nailed that ending, imo, and it totally made the film (and it is the ending in particular why I absolutely would never want to see a version of the film without Canto Bight, no matter how problematic some of the earlier scenes there were - because that ending is too perfect to not include).
Then we made it to the big battle scene with the destruction of Snoke's ship (which was just breathtakingly beautiful to watch, btw) and I thought 'Well that's an interesting ending to an interesting, generally entertaining movie'. But then the movie kept going. And kept going. And every new part, for me, got even better and better.
Perhaps a bit roundabout way to say: I agree the last act of TLJ feels almost like a different movie after the 'grand finale' at Snoke's ship. But that fact is really a huge part of what I love about TLJ. It doesn't just stop at the obvious, 'easy' end point. It carries the story forward, it carries the characters forward and most significantly it carries the theme forward to an extent that worked pretty much perfectly, imo. (One exception that bothered me from the start: the ending of Finn and Rose's story - just kind of awkward and confusing)
If the movie had stopped at the fleet, I'd've said 'eh, about as good as TFA, though happily less nostalgia obsessed'. But it didn't stop there, it went on and it gave me the absolutely awesome confrontation between Luke and Kylo, it gave me the unbelievably gorgeous visuals of the ships flying over the salt flats, and it gave me the utterly perfect, pinpoint encapsulation of the movie's entire overarching them, hope, as Rey flew away aboard the Falcon with all the survivors and the future of the Jedi Order in her hands while, back on Canto Bight, a little future Jedi dreamed of a better world. Johnson nailed that ending, imo, and it totally made the film (and it is the ending in particular why I absolutely would never want to see a version of the film without Canto Bight, no matter how problematic some of the earlier scenes there were - because that ending is too perfect to not include).
I teared up when luke said goodbye to Leia. It felt like Mark saying goodbye to Carrie.
The ending with Luke and the showdown with kylo was pretty good.
If the entire film had been at that consistent quality I would have been happy.
He was humorous but not completely slap stick and comic foil.
His nievity, unclear path and social awkwardness in the first fit as he was transitioning from being a brain washed child soldier to a human.
Turning him into a blundering coward in TLJ was a mistake.
Have to agree.
Finn is a great character. He has depth and substance and my favourite of the new trilogy.
Rian just misused the character. The fault was not the character but in the writing and direction.
Jar jar very existence was a mistake, he had no substances, depth or purpose.
The writing and direction was not at fault, rather it was the character itself.
I am hoping because JJ created finn we can get back to some good character development with him.
I agree. I wish the rest of the finale was that good. And a bit before the confrontation, one of my fave bits of comedy in the film. When Kylo gives an order, then Hux screams the same order, and Kylo gives him this "Uh, excuse me?" look.
Rey was retconned in episode 8. in the previous movie, Orange Yoda helped her see that her future lies ahead, all her longing, everything. But in the next movie, she's inexplicitly thinking of her parents again.
I don't know about you but I still have my parents. I always have had my parents. I may disagree with some aspects of how they raised me and it may have affected me in certain ways but they're still here for me when I need them and they really always have been. Rey's parents gave her up as a young girl, traded her for drinking money and just left. They were never there for her. She spent her entire life hoping they would return. Perhaps they promised they would. One conversation with Maz (For fuck's sake, can you just call the characters by their names?) is not necessarily going to change the underlying longing that she has had for belonging and family. It has been decades. Unlike Luke, who apparently can lose the people who raised him and two scenes later be perfectly fine not ever thinking of or mentioning them ever again, this is something that can and would affect people down to their very core. I know it would for me.
yeah but the "arc" was completed in storytelling terms.
Rian only brought it up again in his movie because.. fans!
LOL
Rian only brought it up again in his movie because.. fans!
LOL
So what’s your complaint? That fans weren’t happy with the answers given? Or that Johnson tried to placate them?
I was fine with what we saw in TFA. I would have been happy had that been where they left it (and if you don’t think JJ will revisit this point in TRoS, you are deeply mistaken) but I have no issues at all with what was added to TLJ in this aspect. It’s a logical progression whether people like it or not.
Honestly, there are a lot of valid criticisms of TLJ. Not sure that this is one of them.
and then there's snoke telling hux that "kylo ren" needs to complete his training.
Implying that him killing han was not quite enough
So Kylo bring Rey in.
Kill her.
She has no weapons.
I mean was his father. So why would killing Rey top that as to going to the dark side.
The fact is both moments call to what the fans think should matter.. all the talk that happened between the films.
Natural progression.. according only to the fans
Implying that him killing han was not quite enough
So Kylo bring Rey in.
Kill her.
She has no weapons.
I mean was his father. So why would killing Rey top that as to going to the dark side.
The fact is both moments call to what the fans think should matter.. all the talk that happened between the films.
Natural progression.. according only to the fans
One conversation is to heal a lifetime pain? I will never understand this simplistic view of human psychology.
The dropping the completing training thing did bother me. Everything else here is just nitpicking.
Oh wait..
Finn.. the non-pilot.. was one of the guys they have to try to fly a podracer ship on the salt flats
Finn.. the non-pilot.. was one of the guys they have to try to fly a podracer ship on the salt flats
I could spend all day.