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The James Bond Film Discussion Thread (With Bonus Lazenby!)

While I'll agree Goldeneye is probably Brosnan's best, I find his entire run is pretty damn good. Tomorrow Never Dies is a great movie in its own right and I have no complaints with The World is Not Enough, I don't even mind Denise Richards as a nuclear physicist. Even Die Another Day is a fun movie, even if it is dumb fun.

Goldeneye is great from start to finish

Tomorrow Never dies. Pretty memorable for the actions sequences and "I'm just a professional doing a job!" Devolves into a straight action movie by the last 20 minutes.

The World is Not Enough- After the pre-title sequence it runs out of steam for me.

By the third movie it's pretty clear that Broccoli and Wilson are trying HARD to corner the American market with an American actress as a Bond girl

You have Teri Hatcher, Denise Richards and Halle Berry.

It's a pretty interesting record for Daniel Craig in that he had NO American actresses as a Bond girl too. I just thought that was an interesting fact IMO.

Back to Brosnan

Die Another Day. The pre-title sequence was great minus Madonna. The movie could have had a more interesting 2nd act after Cuba but they went full campy with the Ice palace and giant laser in the sky.
 
Wavesurfing with those terrible (even for 2002) waves in the background may go down as the single most laughable effects sequence in the franchise, and this is a franchise where there's a literal space battle with laser-armed EV suits. To Moonraker's credit, though, the space effects are outstanding for a Bond movie budget.
 
Goldeneye is great from start to finish

Tomorrow Never dies. Pretty memorable for the actions sequences and "I'm just a professional doing a job!" Devolves into a straight action movie by the last 20 minutes.

The World is Not Enough- After the pre-title sequence it runs out of steam for me.

By the third movie it's pretty clear that Broccoli and Wilson are trying HARD to corner the American market with an American actress as a Bond girl

You have Teri Hatcher, Denise Richards and Halle Berry.

It's a pretty interesting record for Daniel Craig in that he had NO American actresses as a Bond girl too. I just thought that was an interesting fact IMO.

Back to Brosnan

Die Another Day. The pre-title sequence was great minus Madonna. The movie could have had a more interesting 2nd act after Cuba but they went full campy with the Ice palace and giant laser in the sky.

To be honest I'm mostly onboard with DAD until the bit on the plane at the end, but Graves in a robot suit was the final straw for me. An ice palace is, let's be honest, very Bond. For me if we could go back and rewrite history I'd only do the following.

Lose the invisible car
Either use practical effects for the surfing or rework that scene so it works.
Use practical effects for Jinx jumping off the cliff
Get someone else to sing the theme tune*
Get someone else to play Verity*
Completely rework the final fight (why is Graves even on that plane in the first place?)

*and to be honest you could leave Madonna in, she doesn't have enough time to ruin the film.

In some respects TWINE runs out of steam during the pre-title sequence for me. I couldn't get past how a woman has a speed boat bristling with guns moored on the Thames in the middle of London right by MI6 headquarters and NOBODY NOTICES!

I agree on the American Bond girl front as well, none of Brosnan's ladies are the equal of Natalya and Xenia and the only two who come close are Michelle Yeoh (whose awesome but who is given no personality by the script) and Rosamund Pike.

Wavesurfing with those terrible (even for 2002) waves in the background may go down as the single most laughable effects sequence in the franchise, and this is a franchise where there's a literal space battle with laser-armed EV suits. To Moonraker's credit, though, the space effects are outstanding for a Bond movie budget.

One of the things that annoys me is that we had bad CGI surfing in Escape from LA 6 years earlier, and despite having a way bigger budget, and half a decade more in technical advancement, DAD's scene manages to be worse than Escape from LA's.

But, you know what, often when I watch DAD I find myself caught up in the moment and actually get a little thrill when Bond escapes, in the same way I can suspend my disbelief that it's really Rog skiing down a mountain at the start of TSWLM.
 
To be honest I'm mostly onboard with DAD until the bit on the plane at the end, but Graves in a robot suit was the final straw for me. An ice palace is, let's be honest, very Bond. For me if we could go back and rewrite history I'd only do the following.

Lose the invisible car
Either use practical effects for the surfing or rework that scene so it works.
Use practical effects for Jinx jumping off the cliff


It's disappointing that a movie that's known for it's death defying stunts had to stoop that low

Maybe time to film and coordinate a surfing scene was not enough

The Jinx jump SHOULD have been practical.

I'm even looking at "Thunderbolts*" that's coming out soon and they have Florence Pugh doing at least a bit of the skyscraper jump.

For the Bond franchise they had to CGI Craig's face on to the stunt double

-Skyfall Bike chase
-Quantum of Solace plane jump
-No Time to Die bike chase
 
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Watched Never Say Never Again for the first time in decades today.

And it's... actually ok. Quite good in places, bloody awful in others.

I do wonder if this is what Amazon Bond films might be like? Not specifically, but more in a weird kind of uncanny valley sort of way. Films that look and act like legitimate Bond films, yet at the same time also don't quite feel like legitimate Bond films?

Does that make any sense?
 
Watched Never Say Never Again for the first time in decades today.

And it's... actually ok. Quite good in places, bloody awful in others.

I do wonder if this is what Amazon Bond films might be like? Not specifically, but more in a weird kind of uncanny valley sort of way. Films that look and act like legitimate Bond films, yet at the same time also don't quite feel like legitimate Bond films?

Does that make any sense?
For me, what gives NSNA that "off" feeling is that it's missing the trademarked trappings of the official Bond movies – they couldn't do the gunbarrel opening, they couldn't use the Monty Norman theme, the opening titles were rather simplistic compared to whatever Maurice Binder cooked up for the latest film, and the actors cast as M, Q, and Moneypenny feel alien. I didn't even think the villains were all that great, it was just fun to see Connery playing Bond again. That's the film's biggest appeal, to be honest.
 
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I do like the NSNA continuity Q.

"I do hope we're going to have some gratuitous sex and violence." Algernon was the best supporting character of that movie.
 
For me, what gives NSNA that "off" feeling is that it's missing the trademarked trappings of the official Bond movies – they couldn't do the gunbarrel opening, they couldn't use the Monty Norman theme, the opening titles were rather simplistic compared to whatever Maurice Binder cooked up for the latest film, and the actors cast as M, Q, and Moneypenny feel alien. I didn't even think the villains were all that great, it was just fun to see Connery playing Bond again. That's the film's biggest appeal, to be honest.

Absolutely, although we've changed M, Q and MP multiple times. I do wonder if, even if you added a gun barrel/the Bond theme etc it'd still feel slightly off.

I actually really like the song and the titles playing over the pre-title sequence.

It's weird to see strong actors cast in roles and yet seem somehow not right, I can't help but feel the script gave them nowt to work with.

Damn but Kim Basinger was flexible back in 1983 :whistle:

How many Bond films can say they have Rowan Atkinson in them?
He had a very odd accent in it!
 
The theme song to NSNA gets a lot of flak but it's one of the things about the film I've always loved, from childhood up to right now.
 
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