The Inevitable TOS Reboot

[WarpFactorZ]

I remember enjoying the DC comics run about the Mirror Universe that was done in 1984 or 85. It was, I think, better written and more imaginative than any of the TV usages of the premise since "Mirror, Mirror" itself.

I enjoyed that story arc. It was set between STIII and STIV, where Kirk is given command of the Excelsior. At the time, I thought it was cool to see the streets of 23rd century San Francisco, because we rarely got to see "real life" outside of the ships.

 

[Noname Given]

There are comments about women not being on the bridge, or being unable to command a ship. It's pretty rampant.

I wouldn't call such a mention which happens in only three out of 80 episodes rampant. You still see sexism rampant in a lot of the Contemporary dramas and comedies made today.

]The swept back nacelles and lighting of the Discovery version of the ship look contemporary -...

I disagree. It looks very cool for a design made in 1979 but 1979 is hardly contemporary.

...the original design, even remastered, just looks 60's - and not in a retro-chic way...

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And you're somewhat contradicting yourself here, either the swept-back nacelles and lighting make the remastered ship look very contemporary; or it makes it look like it's something from the 1960s. You can't have it both ways.

IMO the original Starhip Class/Constitution design looked just fine in high definition back in 2005 when they had it in the ENT S4 episode. In A Mirror Darkly

I will say I do like the redesign done for ST D and SNW with the sole exception of the swept-back and split down the middle nacelle pylons. If they'd gone with just straight up pylons (at which point I'd really love it), or even straight up pylons with the split down the middle, I'd be a lot happier with it.

As it is I do like it better than the j.j. Abrams Star Trek 09 redesign, but that's me.

A soft reboot that keeps some of Gene's hard messages about humanity, religion, etc. would be fantastic! And like it or not....would draw fans in.

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I'd be fine with that if CBS and the Production staff came out and said that's exactly what they're doing; but they're not. Everyone involved is claiming that this is all in the same universe that TOS took place in.

IMO - another set-piece redesign that they really knocked it out of the park with was the Disco Prize bridge set; both in ST D season 2; and with the skills I've seen from the set on Strange New Worlds.

YMMV of course.

 

[UssGlenn]

There are comments about women not being on the bridge, or being unable to command a ship.

On these two specifically, the women on the bridge thing didn't actually make it into the aired episode, so I'm not sure it should count. It's only in the original unaired (until the 80s) pilot which is more of an archival document than an actual episode. Should it be more canon than a deleted scene? I'm not sure. And Janice Lester's comments aren't explicit, you can interpret then differently if you choose.

 

[Unicron]

I remember enjoying the DC comics run about the Mirror Universe that was done in 1984 or 85. It was, I think, better written and more imaginative than any of the TV usages of the premise since "Mirror, Mirror" itself.

I'm much the same way, having only rather limited experience with DC's overall run. But the MUS explores some very interesting perspectives as part of the overall arc, from Chekov dealing with the emotional fallout of having rescued Spock (the knowledge that, in all likelihood, he and his shipmates would be court martialed and kicked out of Starfleet) to Mirror Spock harboring a secret hatred for his counterpart, who had the freedom to truly explore Vulcan concepts of exploration and knowledge while also having real friends among his crew. And tying the two Spock's into another important plot element.

I also like that the arc is self contained enough that, technically, one could read it as an alternative to TVH and pretend it happens to be a different sort of movie sequel. The closing scene where Spock is given his own command and Saavik notes that Kirk's acceptance of this amounts to "changing the rules" again is a nice touch.

 

[urbandefault]

I love these well thought out replies. Gene Roddenberry wanted swept back nacelles and a self-lit Enterprise in the 70’s. If that’s not enough to at least be open minded on the ship, then perhaps your time with Trek is truly over.

Ol' Gene-o had some great ideas, that's for sure. You should check out some of his other work.

 

[Mudd]

On these two specifically, the women on the bridge thing didn't actually make it into the aired episode, so I'm not sure it should count. It's only in the original unaired (until the 80s) pilot which is more of an archival document than an actual episode. Should it be more canon than a deleted scene? I'm not sure. And Janice Lester's comments aren't explicit, you can interpret then differently if you choose.

Yes, because "The Cage" has been released for sale as an episode of Star Trek in several formats, as far back as the mid-80s. It's included on the DVDs, was remastered for HD with the rest of the project, and so forth. The only way in which it's not part of TOS is that it did not air in its entirety as part of the original network run on NBC in the 1960s. But it has very definitely been aired in many venues, including a brief theatrical exhibition at select theaters around the country to promote the initial release of the Remastered episodes.

It's not supplementary footage or apocrypha of some kind. It's Star Trek.

You know, in a narrative context "The Menagerie" does not show us the "events of thirteen years ago," even though Spock asserts that. It is a story about Pike's memories of his experiences, whether being extracted from his mind at a distance during the trial by the suddenly-so-powerful Talosians that there is no limit of time or distance to their abilities (the wrapper script was really hastily written and makes little sense on close examination), or are being supplemented by what the Talosians recorded of his mind at the time, stored in their "thought records."