Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by Tachyon, Feb 12, 2009.
^ You sound pretty J/Cish to me, Frazzled, but I'll let the real J/Cers make that determination.
I'm a J/Cer, but I don't believe that the captain and first officer should have had a relationship while in the DQ. So, JustKate, I think you qualify as a J/Cer if I do!
^ See, I thought it took a bit more than, "It would have been nice if they'd eventually got together." No? Wow. You people will let just about anybody in.
By those criteria, I guess even I qualify.
From what I understand Mosaic was a backstory for Janeway, so I wasn't expecting any J/C. And yes I have to admit that I am particularly sensative these days, so I have decided to simply stay away for now. Thank you for your thoughts though!
I would say that about sums it up. Welcome Aboard!
I've always loved that scene - you can practically see it happening as you read it. I had forgotten what book it was in though so thanks.
J/Cers run the gamut from those who think J & C should have been reproducing like bunnies since "Resoltuions" to others who are "post-Endgamers" - it's a wide spectrum.
So I hate to break it to you guys but you are now forever tarred with the J/C brush. Oh well, that's life. Have a cup of coffee and enjoy the insanity.
@ you kimc!
LOL @ reproducing like bunnies since "Resolutions".
But that about sums up the truth of J/Cdom. Tee hee.
Tachyon is, though, post-Endgamer through and through. So no news there.
It's not that I don't want to join the club, and of course it's very nice that you want me , but it seems to me that if Praetor and I count as J/Cers, there are definitely more than two different kinds of J/Cers. It goes quite a bit deeper than pre-Endgame vs. post-Endgame.
One kind is the "It would have been nice if they had eventually got together" sort, and that's where I fit (perhaps Praetor does as well, but he should probably speak for himself). But for some people, the relationships - the romance or romances - are actually their favorite part of Voyager. That's really my definition of a J/C shipper, inaccurate though it may be.
Well, that is most definitely not me. Relationships - any relationships - are an important part of an ensemble show such as Voyager, and they are crucial to character development. And therefore to the extent that they help develop the characters and the plot, I welcome them.
But for one thing, for me romance isn't the most important relationship to see - not even close. I, in fact, really enjoy the friendship and trust between Chakotay and Janeway - I think that friendship is far more important to the overall plot of Voyager, not to mention to the crew of Voyager, than any romance.
I think, really, part of my resistance to the whole J/C romance thing is that I didn't want to see this wonderful adult friendship degenerate into yet another ::yawn:: stereotypical TV-drama-type romance. You guys have mentioned that it's rare to see a mature adult romance on television, and you're right. But it's even rarer to see a mature adult friendship between an attractive man and an attractive woman. Yet that occurs in real life, too.
And there are as well other important relationships and emotions that aren't romantic - friendship, rivalry, distrust, treachery, jealousy, alienation, comradery (sp?), loneliness, etc., etc., etc. All those things are in Voyager, too - and they are, to me, far - far - more important to the show than deep meaningful glances, fraught with passion, between Janeway and Chakotay.
You know those episodes that some of you have referred to as "lost opportunities" for J and C to get together? My reaction was invariably almost the exact opposite of yours. I was so relieved they didn't let "the inevitable" happen. Because to me it is not only not inevitable, but also undesirable.
And that's really why I don't consider myself a shipper. It's a nice idea, but it's just not that important to my enjoyment of the show. But if you still want me in the club, when do I get my membership card?
Well said! That's always been my main objection as well.
Sing it from the highest mountain top!!!!!!!
I completely agree for the same reasons too.
Besides, if Chakotay fell in love with Seska, Janeway wasn't going to be his type.
But she was.
After 7 years without, a hole in the wall was his type.
Oh hush, exo!
Are They Going To Kiss Or What?
Captain Janeway and Commander Chakotay, "Star Trek: Voyager"
^ And at the time, my reaction, I swear, was "Yay! Thank goodness!"
See? I'm hopeless. You'd better not send me a membership card after all.
I didn't meant to imply that there were only two types. My attempt was to give two extremes and indicate there is a wide spectrum between the two.
^ I think understood that. But somewhere or other, I guess, there has to be some sort of dividing line, and on one side of that line are the J/C shippers, wherever they fall on the shipper spectrum, and on the other are non-shippers. Where that line may be is probably in the eye of the beholder.
But I think only the real shippers should get the membership card.
This is really a very interesting and absolutely logical post I see you are a Vulcan. There are many things in your post I have to agree.
But look- they- Janeway and Chakotay- are soooo sweat together and the screen chemistry between them jumps out of the screen.
What can I do. I`m a J/Cer. (But more C`er than J/Cer)
^ Oh, I am definitely a C-er myself. I'm logical, but that doesn't mean I'm blind.
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