*~*~The Great J/C Thread~*~*

[JustKate]

^ You sound pretty J/Cish to me, Frazzled, but I'll let the real J/Cers make that determination.

 

[AuntKate]

I'm a J/Cer, but I don't believe that the captain and first officer should have had a relationship while in the DQ. So, JustKate, I think you qualify as a J/Cer if I do!

 

[JustKate]

^ See, I thought it took a bit more than, "It would have been nice if they'd eventually got together." No? Wow. You people will let just about anybody in.

 

[Praetor]

By those criteria, I guess even I qualify.

 

[joyofvgr]

I looked forward to Full Circle, and had planned on reading some of the prior books like Pathways and Mosaic, until I found out that Janeway would remain dead. I even bought Distant Shores, because I wanted to read Isabo's Shirt, but I haven't even been able to get myself to read that yet! I figured I'd stick around and see what the reviews of Full Circle were like.

I read Isabo's Shirt fairly recently, coincidently after reading the few pages of FC Amazon would let me peek at about J/C about to go to Venice, and oh dear me it was agony!! Poor old Chakotay and what a wasted opportunity, how dare the Borg/Pocket books get in there and wipe her out just when it was going to all be ok and hope fulfilled! Maybe not a good idea if you're feeling sensitive. Filled me with confidence in Kirsten Beyer though.

I read Mosaic a while ago before hearing much about FC but after reading Before Dishonour and it was a bit painful too but not to the same degree, there's certainly no J/C in there I'd say so don't bother looking for any! However it kind of sets everything up in a good way, for example you realise after reading it she's not going to be all that heartbroken at being dumped by Mark or have any trouble moving on from him, he was kind of just a 'safe choice' for her. And you realise she is capable of loving someone but is kind of damaged and very capable of switching herself off from her feelings if she fancies somebody I'd recommend it.

From what I understand Mosaic was a backstory for Janeway, so I wasn't expecting any J/C. And yes I have to admit that I am particularly sensative these days, so I have decided to simply stay away for now. Thank you for your thoughts though!

 

[joyofvgr]

"It would have been nice if they'd eventually got together."

I would say that about sums it up. Welcome Aboard!

 

[kimc]

There's a couple of nice scenes too for J/Cers such as he rescues her when she falls down a cliff and Golden says something like 'He held her tight for a precious moment' or some such thing, haven't got it to hand right now.

I've always loved that scene - you can practically see it happening as you read it. I had forgotten what book it was in though so thanks.

 

[kimc]

^ See, I thought it took a bit more than, "It would have been nice if they'd eventually got together." No? Wow. You people will let just about anybody in.

By those criteria, I guess even I qualify.

J/Cers run the gamut from those who think J & C should have been reproducing like bunnies since "Resoltuions" to others who are "post-Endgamers" - it's a wide spectrum.

So I hate to break it to you guys but you are now forever tarred with the J/C brush. Oh well, that's life. Have a cup of coffee and enjoy the insanity.

 

[Tachyon]

@ you kimc!

LOL @ reproducing like bunnies since "Resolutions".

But that about sums up the truth of J/Cdom. Tee hee.

Tachyon is, though, post-Endgamer through and through. So no news there.

 

[JustKate]

It's not that I don't want to join the club, and of course it's very nice that you want me , but it seems to me that if Praetor and I count as J/Cers, there are definitely more than two different kinds of J/Cers. It goes quite a bit deeper than pre-Endgame vs. post-Endgame.

One kind is the "It would have been nice if they had eventually got together" sort, and that's where I fit (perhaps Praetor does as well, but he should probably speak for himself). But for some people, the relationships - the romance or romances - are actually their favorite part of Voyager. That's really my definition of a J/C shipper, inaccurate though it may be.

Well, that is most definitely not me. Relationships - any relationships - are an important part of an ensemble show such as Voyager, and they are crucial to character development. And therefore to the extent that they help develop the characters and the plot, I welcome them.

But for one thing, for me romance isn't the most important relationship to see - not even close. I, in fact, really enjoy the friendship and trust between Chakotay and Janeway - I think that friendship is far more important to the overall plot of Voyager, not to mention to the crew of Voyager, than any romance.

I think, really, part of my resistance to the whole J/C romance thing is that I didn't want to see this wonderful adult friendship degenerate into yet another ::yawn:: stereotypical TV-drama-type romance. You guys have mentioned that it's rare to see a mature adult romance on television, and you're right. But it's even rarer to see a mature adult friendship between an attractive man and an attractive woman. Yet that occurs in real life, too.

And there are as well other important relationships and emotions that aren't romantic - friendship, rivalry, distrust, treachery, jealousy, alienation, comradery (sp?), loneliness, etc., etc., etc. All those things are in Voyager, too - and they are, to me, far - far - more important to the show than deep meaningful glances, fraught with passion, between Janeway and Chakotay.

You know those episodes that some of you have referred to as "lost opportunities" for J and C to get together? My reaction was invariably almost the exact opposite of yours. I was so relieved they didn't let "the inevitable" happen. Because to me it is not only not inevitable, but also undesirable.

And that's really why I don't consider myself a shipper. It's a nice idea, but it's just not that important to my enjoyment of the show. But if you still want me in the club, when do I get my membership card?

 

[teya]

I think, really, part of my resistance to the whole J/C romance thing is that I didn't want to see this wonderful adult friendship degenerate into yet another ::yawn:: stereotypical TV-drama-type romance. You guys have mentioned that it's rare to see a mature adult romance on television, and you're right. But it's even rarer to see a mature adult friendship between an attractive man and an attractive woman. Yet that occurs in real life, too.

And there are as well other important relationships and emotions that aren't romantic - friendship, rivalry, distrust, treachery, jealousy, alienation, comradery (sp?), loneliness, etc., etc., etc. All those things are in Voyager, too - and they are, to me, far - far - more important to the show than deep meaningful glances, fraught with passion, between Janeway and Chakotay.

You know those episodes that some of you have referred to as "lost opportunities" for J and C to get together? My reaction was invariably almost the exact opposite of yours. I was so relieved they didn't let "the inevitable" happen. Because to me it is not only not inevitable, but also undesirable.

Well said! That's always been my main objection as well.

 

[exodus]

I think, really, part of my resistance to the whole J/C romance thing is that I didn't want to see this wonderful adult friendship degenerate into yet another ::yawn:: stereotypical TV-drama-type romance. You guys have mentioned that it's rare to see a mature adult romance on television, and you're right. But it's even rarer to see a mature adult friendship between an attractive man and an attractive woman. Yet that occurs in real life, too.

And there are as well other important relationships and emotions that aren't romantic - friendship, rivalry, distrust, treachery, jealousy, alienation, comradery (sp?), loneliness, etc., etc., etc. All those things are in Voyager, too - and they are, to me, far - far - more important to the show than deep meaningful glances, fraught with passion, between Janeway and Chakotay.

You know those episodes that some of you have referred to as "lost opportunities" for J and C to get together? My reaction was invariably almost the exact opposite of yours. I was so relieved they didn't let "the inevitable" happen. Because to me it is not only not inevitable, but also undesirable.

Well said! That's always been my main objection as well.

Sing it from the highest mountain top!!!!!!!
I completely agree for the same reasons too.

Besides, if Chakotay fell in love with Seska, Janeway wasn't going to be his type.

 

[Tachyon]

But she was.

Tee hee.

 

[exodus]

But she was.

Tee hee.

After 7 years without, a hole in the wall was his type.

 

[Tachyon]

Oh hush, exo!





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Are They Going To Kiss Or What?

Captain Janeway and Commander Chakotay, "Star Trek: Voyager"

While in pursuit of a Maquis ship under the command of Chakotay (Robert Beltran), Janeway's starship Voyager is thrown thousands of light years into the galaxy's Delta Quadrant.

Janeway (Kate Mulgrew) loses much of her crew, forcing her to declare a truce with the Maquis (rebels seeking freedom from the heavy-handed Federation). Chakotay and his people join Janeway's staff, and in an effort at diplomacy, the captain appoints the Maquis leader her first officer.

During the series' seven seasons, Janeway and Chakotay enjoyed a mutually respectful relationship on Voyager's long, long journey home. But they also developed a great trust that brought them closer as people, and "Trek" fans could certainly feel the show's writers dangling the possibility of, say, a permanent cessation of hostilities between at least one Maquis warrior and one Starfleet regular.

Things came to a head in one of the show's best episodes, "Resolutions," in which Janeway and Chakotay are left alone on a planet after contracting an incurable virus. With no crew to worry about, the pair drops formalities and starts to make a life for themselves. (Chakotay even builds Janeway a bathhouse. Woo-hoo!) But just before nature takes over entirely, those Voyager busybodies return with a cure (gee, thanks, guys), and the near-lovers resume their old close-but-no-cigar connection.

Source: http://tv.msn.com/tv/aretheygoingtokiss-1/

 

[JustKate]

^ And at the time, my reaction, I swear, was "Yay! Thank goodness!"

See? I'm hopeless. You'd better not send me a membership card after all.

 

[kimc]

It's not that I don't want to join the club, and of course it's very nice that you want me , but it seems to me that if Praetor and I count as J/Cers, there are definitely more than two different kinds of J/Cers. It goes quite a bit deeper than pre-Endgame vs. post-Endgame.

I didn't meant to imply that there were only two types. My attempt was to give two extremes and indicate there is a wide spectrum between the two.

 

[JustKate]

^ I think understood that. But somewhere or other, I guess, there has to be some sort of dividing line, and on one side of that line are the J/C shippers, wherever they fall on the shipper spectrum, and on the other are non-shippers. Where that line may be is probably in the eye of the beholder.

But I think only the real shippers should get the membership card.

 

[Mareika]

It's not that I don't want to join the club, and of course it's very nice that you want me , but it seems to me that if Praetor and I count as J/Cers, there are definitely more than two different kinds of J/Cers. It goes quite a bit deeper than pre-Endgame vs. post-Endgame.

One kind is the "It would have been nice if they had eventually got together" sort, and that's where I fit (perhaps Praetor does as well, but he should probably speak for himself). But for some people, the relationships - the romance or romances - are actually their favorite part of Voyager. That's really my definition of a J/C shipper, inaccurate though it may be.

Well, that is most definitely not me. Relationships - any relationships - are an important part of an ensemble show such as Voyager, and they are crucial to character development. And so as they help develop the characters and the plot, I welcome them.

But for one thing, for me romance isn't the most important relationship to see - not even close. I, in fact, really enjoy the friendship and trust between Chakotay and Janeway - I think that friendship is far more important to the overall plot of Voyager, not to mention to the crew of Voyager, than any romance.

I think, really, part of my resistance to the whole J/C romance thing is that I didn't want to see this wonderful adult friendship degenerate into yet another ::yawn:: stereotypical TV-drama-type romance. You guys have mentioned that it's rare to see a mature adult romance on television, and you're right. But it's even rarer to see a mature adult friendship between an attractive man and an attractive woman. Yet that occurs in real life, too.

And there are as well other important relationships and emotions that aren't romantic - friendship, rivalry, distrust, treachery, jealousy, alienation, comradery (sp?), loneliness, etc., etc., etc. All those things are in Voyager, too - and they are, to me, far - far - more important to the show than deep meaningful glances, fraught with passion, between Janeway and Chakotay.

You know those episodes that some of you have referred to as "lost opportunities" for J and C to get together? My reaction was invariably almost the exact opposite of yours. I was so relieved they didn't let "the inevitable" happen. Because to me it is not only not inevitable, but also undesirable.

And that's really why I don't consider myself a shipper. It's a nice idea, but it's just not that important to my enjoyment of the show. But if you still want me in the club, when do I get my membership card?

This is really a very interesting and absolutely logical post I see you are a Vulcan. There are many things in your post I have to agree.
But look- they- Janeway and Chakotay- are soooo sweat together and the screen chemistry between them jumps out of the screen.
What can I do. I`m a J/Cer. (But more C`er than J/Cer)

 

[JustKate]

^ Oh, I am definitely a C-er myself. I'm logical, but that doesn't mean I'm blind.